Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

[Bolt451]

He's Just Not that into EU (Pocket edition)
or
How Jeremy Corbyn lost the Labour Party but destroyed the Conservatives​

2016-2017: Theresa May (Conservative)

-’17 election

May 2017- Grenfell Tower disaster



2017-2019: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour Minority with SNP S&C)

July 2017: Boris Johnson Elected conservative leader

October 2018- Govt fails first vote on Labour deal

October 2018- Several Labour and Conservative MPs form the Progressive Party

November 2018- Multi Party agreement over Labour Brexit Deal

June 2019- EU Deal Referendum 50.5% leave.

30th June 2019: UK Enters transition period with EU

October 2019: Scotland Votes to remain by 58%

October 2019: Nicola Sturgeon Resigns as SNP Leader

November 2019: Liberal Democrats and Progressives form electoral alliance

November 2019: Angus Robertson becomes leader of SNP and First minister of Scotland

December 2019: General election



2019-2020: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour Minority with Liberal Democrat/Progressive Supply and Confidence)

December 2019: Boris Johnson Resigns as Conservative Leader, Angus Robertson resigns as SNP Leader

February 2020: Liz Truss elected as Conservative Leader

February: Joanna Cherry elected SNP Leader and First Minister of Scotland

February 2020: First case of COVID 19 in UK

March 2019: UK goes into first Lockdown

March 2019: Government faces some backlash over COVID-19 Relief bill spending, Lib Progs say it is “insufficient” to protect Businesses despite strong support for individuals

April 2020: Prime Minister Corbyn is hospitalised with COVID



2020-2022 Claire Wright (Independent leading National Government)

April 2020: Claire Right becomes Prime Minister leading a National Government of Labour, Liberal Progressive and Greens with Some “National Conservative” support and Plaid Cymru, SDLP, Alliance and SNP support for Nationwide matters. Jeremy Corbyn appointed Deputy Prime Minister

June 2020: Government begins slow phase out of First lockdown

October 2020: Mhairi Black and Several other SNP MPs and MSPs form Alba Party over Joanna Cherry’s stance on Trans rights. Form electoral alliance with Scottish Greens

October 2020: Lawrence Fox elected leader of UKIP on anti-lockdown and “anti woke” platform.

November 2020: Government Enters Second lockdown

February 2021: Govt Begins roll out of vaccines.

April 2021: Government Begins slow phase out of Lockdown

May 2021: Government holds referendum on Electoral reform. Public votes to change from First Past the Post, then selects the Additional Member system to replace it

May 2021: Labour-Liberal Progressive Government elected in Scottish Elections as SNP loses significant votes to Green-Alba Alliance.

January 2022: Jeremy Corbyn announces he is standing down as Labour leader

March 2022: Angela Rayner elected leader of Labour, narrowly defeating Rebecca Long-Bailey.

March 2022: Radical Alliance alliance formed for next General election. Formed of Scottish, Welsh and English Greens, Alba and Plaid Cymru on platform of “Green Federalism”



2022-2027 Angela Rayner (Labour-Liberal Progressive-Radical Alliance Coalition)

May 2022: Sinn Fein become biggest party in Northern Ireland Assembly as Alliance makes significant gains from Unionist parties.

May 2022: Tamsin Ormond becomes first openly non-binary MP

June 2022: Angela Rayner finishes negotiations with Liberal Progressive party and Radical alliance. Forming a (technically) six party coalition.

June 2022: Government votes through Gender Self ID Laws and introduces gender neutral markers on official documents

September 2022: Government Unveils plans to roll out universal basic income

September 2022: Scotland act introduces Devo-Max for Scotland, followed by acts increasing Welsh government powers. It is worth noticing both first ministers are part of the Labour party.

November 2022: Charlie Blake (List MP for Southwest England) comes out as transgender, becoming the first openly trans MP

March 2023: Scotland act introduces Devo-Max for Scotland, followed by acts increasing Welsh government powers. It is worth noticing both first ministers are part of the Labour party.

April 2024: House of Lords reformed. Shrunk to 400 seats, 80% of which will be elected by Closed list Proportional representation. The actual role of the lords is mostly unchanged

May 2025: President Donald Trump makes a faux Pas after a state visit to the UK when he claims Angela Rayner was crossing and uncrossing her legs to distract him.

May 2026: Conservatives suffer significant loses in Scotland, Wales and Local elections. Labour-Liberal Progressive government stays in power in Scotland. Labour forms majority government in Wales. Liz Truss stands down as leader

September 2026: Grant Shapps elected leader of the Conservatives.

September 2026: Black Tuesday. 24 MPs defect from Conservatives to Liberal Progressives to



2027-2031: Anegla Rayner (Labour-Radical Alliance Government)

May 2027: Poor weather in summer and winter 2026 see rise in Green Party vote. Radical alliance also benefit from increase in demand for Plaid Cymru calls for Welsh Devo Max, increased demand for English Devolution (which is now a policy of the Green Party of England and Wales) and collapse of SNP, making Alba the largest pro independence (such as the term is) party. Allowing Labour and RA to form slim majority without the Lib Progs. Conservatives lose significant ground to both Liberal Progressives and UKIP. Also a movement from Liberal Progressives towards Labour. Grant Shapps resigns as Conservative Leader

May 2027: Future Prime Minister Charlie Blake is made Health Secretary.

June 2027: Alex Chalk (SW List MP) Elected Conservative leader

May 2028: English Devolution Referendum delivers result in support of devolution. England is to be split into 8 regions (including London) with their own regional assemblies along the lines of Wales.

January 2029: Prime Minister Rayner makes public support for President-Elect Ocasio-Cortez over claimant President Taylor-Greene during the

May 2029: First elections for English Assemblies deliver a mix of results with the Liberal Progressives leading governments in the South west, South East and North West.



2031-2032: Charlie Blake* (Labour-Radical Alliance Government)

February 2031: Charlie Blake elected Labour leader, Becomes first trans head of government in the world and first LGBT+ Prime Minister.



2032-2037: Charlie Blake* (Labour-Liberal Progressive Grand Coalition)

May 2032: Liberal Progressives narrowly replace the conservatives as biggest party and the only combination of parties to form a majority would either be a Lab-Lib grand coalition or would break the cordon sanitare with regards to UKIP. This leads to a decrease in the popularity of Labour as they are seen as conceding too much to the Lib Progs

May 2033: Border Poll in Northern Ireland delivers a pro-reuinification result

April 2035: Ireland is Reunified.

Summer 2036: A series of storms hit Britain, leading to severe flooding and damage to the Labour Government’s reputation over climate change.



2037-Present: Dehenna Davison (Liberal Progressive-Conservative Government with Green S&C)

May 2037: Labour maintain position as biggest party but Liberal Progressives and Conservatives (almost on equal seats). They come to an agreement to prioritise green policies with some members of the Radical League. Leading to a significant chunk of Radical PMs leaving the Greens to form the Radical Party. It remains to be seen whether the Radical Alliance will reform for the next General election. Charlie Blake asks the King to invite Ms Davison to form a government, then tenders his resignation as Labour leader.

With a large number of left wing people joining Labour following the collapse of the Radical Alliance. The current favourite to win the Labour election is 72 year old stalwart of the party left, Dawn Butler

 

[Kimkatya]

Corbyn dropping off makes sense to me. Being LOTO gives a Current Thing bounce (see also Starmer's meteoric rise), but I suspect that once they are no longer LOTO it starts to drop off as people move on to different personalities and also that person can't really be used for future PM lists (Starmer will suffer the same fate assuming he doesn't become PM). Plus, Corbyn is still fairly popular as a choice overall.

What I'm curious about is why Michael Portillo, David Owen, and Herbert Morrison have had such huge rises over the last two years while John Prescott has fallen so precipitously.

Owen is a singularly fascinating figure in the scale of late 20th century British politics on account of being a weird asshole, and Herbert Morrison is a singularly fascinating figure in the scale of early 20th century British politics on account of being a weird asshole

 

[Bolt451]

20 years (more or less) of Labour rule

You're welcome.

Although Maybe have someone carry on Corbynism post covid. RLB maybe?

I was also going to make Charlie Blake (my fictional POV character) be more Corbynite, maybe they go more towards the centre after a few years

 

[Bolt451]

He's Just Not that into EU (Pocket edition)
or
How Jeremy Corbyn lost the Labour Party but destroyed the Conservatives​

2016-2017: Theresa May (Conservative)

-’17 election

May 2017- Grenfell Tower disaster



2017-2019: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour Minority with SNP S&C)

July 2017: Boris Johnson Elected conservative leader

October 2018- Govt fails first vote on Labour deal

October 2018- Several Labour and Conservative MPs form the Progressive Party

November 2018- Multi Party agreement over Labour Brexit Deal

June 2019- EU Deal Referendum 50.5% leave.

30th June 2019: UK Enters transition period with EU

October 2019: Scotland Votes to remain by 58%

October 2019: Nicola Sturgeon Resigns as SNP Leader

November 2019: Liberal Democrats and Progressives form electoral alliance

November 2019: Angus Robertson becomes leader of SNP and First minister of Scotland

December 2019: General election



2019-2020: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour Minority with Liberal Democrat/Progressive Supply and Confidence)

December 2019: Boris Johnson Resigns as Conservative Leader, Angus Robertson resigns as SNP Leader

February 2020: Liz Truss elected as Conservative Leader

February: Joanna Cherry elected SNP Leader and First Minister of Scotland

February 2020: First case of COVID 19 in UK

March 2019: UK goes into first Lockdown

March 2019: Government faces some backlash over COVID-19 Relief bill spending, Lib Progs say it is “insufficient” to protect Businesses despite strong support for individuals

April 2020: Prime Minister Corbyn is hospitalised with COVID



2020-2022 Claire Wright (Independent leading National Government)

April 2020: Claire Right becomes Prime Minister leading a National Government of Labour, Liberal Progressive and Greens with Some “National Conservative” support and Plaid Cymru, SDLP, Alliance and SNP support for Nationwide matters. Jeremy Corbyn appointed Deputy Prime Minister

June 2020: Government begins slow phase out of First lockdown

October 2020: Mhairi Black and Several other SNP MPs and MSPs form Alba Party over Joanna Cherry’s stance on Trans rights. Form electoral alliance with Scottish Greens

October 2020: Lawrence Fox elected leader of UKIP on anti-lockdown and “anti woke” platform.

November 2020: Government Enters Second lockdown

February 2021: Govt Begins roll out of vaccines.

April 2021: Government Begins slow phase out of Lockdown

May 2021: Government holds referendum on Electoral reform. Public votes to change from First Past the Post, then selects the Additional Member system to replace it

May 2021: Labour-Liberal Progressive Government elected in Scottish Elections as SNP loses significant votes to Green-Alba Alliance.

January 2022: Jeremy Corbyn announces he is standing down as Labour leader

March 2022: Angela Rayner elected leader of Labour, narrowly defeating Rebecca Long-Bailey.

March 2022: Radical Alliance alliance formed for next General election. Formed of Scottish, Welsh and English Greens, Alba and Plaid Cymru on platform of “Green Federalism”



2022-2027 Angela Rayner (Labour-Liberal Progressive-Radical Alliance Coalition)

May 2022: Sinn Fein become biggest party in Northern Ireland Assembly as Alliance makes significant gains from Unionist parties.

May 2022: Tamsin Ormond becomes first openly non-binary MP

June 2022: Angela Rayner finishes negotiations with Liberal Progressive party and Radical alliance. Forming a (technically) six party coalition.

June 2022: Government votes through Gender Self ID Laws and introduces gender neutral markers on official documents

September 2022: Government Unveils plans to roll out universal basic income

September 2022: Scotland act introduces Devo-Max for Scotland, followed by acts increasing Welsh government powers. It is worth noticing both first ministers are part of the Labour party.

November 2022: Charlie Blake (List MP for Southwest England) comes out as transgender, becoming the first openly trans MP

March 2023: Scotland act introduces Devo-Max for Scotland, followed by acts increasing Welsh government powers. It is worth noticing both first ministers are part of the Labour party.

April 2024: House of Lords reformed. Shrunk to 400 seats, 80% of which will be elected by Closed list Proportional representation. The actual role of the lords is mostly unchanged

May 2025: President Donald Trump makes a faux Pas after a state visit to the UK when he claims Angela Rayner was crossing and uncrossing her legs to distract him.

May 2026: Conservatives suffer significant loses in Scotland, Wales and Local elections. Labour-Liberal Progressive government stays in power in Scotland. Labour forms majority government in Wales. Liz Truss stands down as leader

September 2026: Grant Shapps elected leader of the Conservatives.

September 2026: Black Tuesday. 24 MPs defect from Conservatives to Liberal Progressives to



2027-2031: Anegla Rayner (Labour-Radical Alliance Government)

May 2027: Poor weather in summer and winter 2026 see rise in Green Party vote. Radical alliance also benefit from increase in demand for Plaid Cymru calls for Welsh Devo Max, increased demand for English Devolution (which is now a policy of the Green Party of England and Wales) and collapse of SNP, making Alba the largest pro independence (such as the term is) party. Allowing Labour and RA to form slim majority without the Lib Progs. Conservatives lose significant ground to both Liberal Progressives and UKIP. Also a movement from Liberal Progressives towards Labour. Grant Shapps resigns as Conservative Leader

May 2027: Future Prime Minister Charlie Blake is made Health Secretary.

June 2027: Alex Chalk (SW List MP) Elected Conservative leader

May 2028: English Devolution Referendum delivers result in support of devolution. England is to be split into 8 regions (including London) with their own regional assemblies along the lines of Wales.

January 2029: Prime Minister Rayner makes public support for President-Elect Ocasio-Cortez over claimant President Taylor-Greene during the

May 2029: First elections for English Assemblies deliver a mix of results with the Liberal Progressives leading governments in the South west, South East and North West.



2031-2032: Charlie Blake* (Labour-Radical Alliance Government)

February 2031: Charlie Blake elected Labour leader, Becomes first trans head of government in the world and first LGBT+ Prime Minister.



2032-2037: Charlie Blake* (Labour-Liberal Progressive Grand Coalition)

May 2032: Liberal Progressives narrowly replace the conservatives as biggest party and the only combination of parties to form a majority would either be a Lab-Lib grand coalition or would break the cordon sanitare with regards to UKIP. This leads to a decrease in the popularity of Labour as they are seen as conceding too much to the Lib Progs

May 2033: Border Poll in Northern Ireland delivers a pro-reuinification result

April 2035: Ireland is Reunified.

Summer 2036: A series of storms hit Britain, leading to severe flooding and damage to the Labour Government’s reputation over climate change.



2037-Present: Dehenna Davison (Liberal Progressive-Conservative Government with Green S&C)

May 2037: Labour maintain position as biggest party but Liberal Progressives and Conservatives (almost on equal seats). They come to an agreement to prioritise green policies with some members of the Radical League. Leading to a significant chunk of Radical PMs leaving the Greens to form the Radical Party. It remains to be seen whether the Radical Alliance will reform for the next General election. Charlie Blake asks the King to invite Ms Davison to form a government, then tenders his resignation as Labour leader.

With a large number of left wing people joining Labour following the collapse of the Radical Alliance. The current favourite to win the Labour election is 72 year old stalwart of the party left, Dawn Butler

there's an awful alternate version of this in the back of my head where Corbyn doesnt get Covid, or returns to the premiership after the pandemic and carries on into the mid 20s and the punchline is 2045: Prime Minister Harry Brewis.

 

[Aolbain]

Sweden - 2010 punk

Prime Ministers of Sweden
2006 - 2016: Fredrik Reinfeldt, Moderate
2006 def: Göran Persson (Social Democrat), Maud Olofsson (Centre), Lars Leijonborg (People's), Göran Hägglund (Christian Democrats), Lars Ohly (Left), Mara Wetterstrand & Peter Eriksson (Green)
2010 def: Mona Sahlin (Social Democrat), Maria Wetterstrand & Peter Eriksson (Green), Jan Björklund (People's), Maud Olofsson (Centre), Jimmie Åkesson (Sweden Democrats), Lars Ohly (Left), Göran Hägglund (Christian Democrats)
2014 def: Thomas Östros (Social Democrats), Mikaela Valtersson & Gustav Fridolin (Green), Jan Björklund (People's), Jonas Sjöstedt (Left), Maud Olofsson (Centre), Göran Hägglund (Christian Democrats), Jimmie Åkesson (Sweden Democrats)
2016 - 2022: Anders Borg, Moderate
2018 def: Tomas Eneroth (Social Democrats), Birgitta Ohlsson (People's), Jonas Sjöstedt (Left), Fredrik Federley (Centre), Mikaela Valtersson & Gustav Fridolin (Green), Emma Henriksson (Family Party), Erik Almqvist (Sweden Democrats)
2022 - 20??: Mikael Damberg, Social Democrat
2022 def: Anders Borg (Moderate), Birgitta Ohlsson (People's), Jonas Sjöstedt (Left), Maria Ferm & Per Bolund (Green), Fredrik Federley (Centre), Emma Henriksson (Family Party)

The Moderate transformation into Sweden's new natural governing party continues after the 2010 election. The Social Democrats pick the incredibly uninspiring Thomas Östros to succeed Sahlin when she is forced out and he leads the party to an even worse defeat in 2014, with S losing its status as Sweden's largest political party for the first time in 97 years. The Sweden Democrats barely manage to stay above the 4% threshold and the Greens have a hugely successful election, resulting in another hung parliament. Having forged several agreements with the Greens in the 2010-14 parliament, Reinfeldt takes the step to resolve the parliamentary deadlock by inviting the Greens to join the government. Which they accept considering that there's no way that their first choice of forming a government with S is workable.

Two years later he resigns as the most successful Moderate leader in history, handing over the reins to his equally popular Finance Minister who leads the party to yet another victory. He defeats Tomas Eneroth, a somewhat stronger opponent than Östros who manages to claw back some of the ground lost in the past election, but not nearly enough. As expected, the Sweden Democrats turns out to be nothing more than New Democracy 2.0, even if it took them two elections to fall out of the Riksdag. The four original Alliance parties gain a majority and having lost a significant chunk of their left-leaning voters, the Greens opt to go into opposition in the hopes coming back stronger the next time.

In 2022 it's finally the turn of the Social Democrats to enter Rosenbad after a record 16 years out of power. The man who leads them back to power is Mikael Damberg, a "modernizer" within the party who runs on a platform which largely accepts a lot of the policies implemented during the years Reinfeldt and Borg have been in power. Though he still fails to make the Social Democrats the country's largest party again, as they narrowly lose out on that position to the Moderates, which remains the only party in Sweden with the support of more than 30% of voters.

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I was conflicted on whether to have the Sweden Democrats drop below the 4% threshold after one term in parliament like New Democracy did in the 90s, as a lot of people thought they would in 2010. But they're kind of needed if the Greens are to join forces with the Alliance, which was also talked about quite a lot back then. So I went with some kind of of compromise solution where they go through a few rounds of massive infighting after the 2014 election and collapse in 2018 instead.

And believe it or not there was actually some suggestions that the Christian Democrats should change their name to the incredibly bland sounding "Family Party" after doing so badly in the 2010 election. So I kind of went with it.

jag vill dö

 

[Kimkatya]

there's an awful alternate version of this in the back of my head where Corbyn doesnt get Covid, or returns to the premiership after the pandemic and carries on into the mid 20s and the punchline is 2045: Prime Minister Harry Brewis.

i'm drowning myself the minute a breadtuber shunts into political office higher than maybe a local mayoralty or a council seat, at that point i'll know we're fucking doomed

 

[AH Layard]

(No butterflies were harmed in the making of this list.)

With the victory of Herbert Morrison's Labour Party in the 1945 general election, municipalisation was the order of the day with district and county councils taking local utilities and businesses under public and co-operative ownership. To co-ordinate his reforms, Morrison established Regional Development Offices for the major English regions and the other Home Nations. Leading each Development Office would be a junior minister, responsible for co-ordination between central and local government, crisis management, and articulating the concerns of the region to the Secretary of State for Local Government and the Regions.

Greater East Anglia is a predominately agricultural region comprising of the historic counties of Suffolk, Norfolk, Essex, and Cambridgeshire. Until the early twentieth century it was highly competitive between the Liberal and Conservative parties, owing to the strength of Nonconformity and rural poverty there, but with the decline of the Liberal Party it trended towards the Conservatives. The exceptions to this rule were in the major cities and towns of Norwich, Cambridge, and Ipswich, which were highly marginal throughout the twentieth century. The Regional Development Office for Greater East Anglia is located in Norwich City Hall, an Art Deco building constructed in 1938.

Ministers for Greater East Anglia

1947 - 1951: Richard Stokes (Labour)
1951 - 1953: John Hare (Conservative)
1953 - 1955: Denys Bullard (Conservative)
1955 - 1957: Christopher Soames (Conservative)
1957 - 1959: Hamilton Kerr (Conservative)
1959 - 1964: Richard Body (Conservative)
1964 - 1967: Derek Page (Labour)
1967 - 1970: Dingle Foot (Labour)
1970 - 1972: Jim Prior (Conservative)
1972 - 1974: Brian Harrison (Conservative)
1974 - 1975: Eric Moonman (Labour) [1]
1975 - 1976: John Garrett (Labour)
1976 - 1979: Michael Ward (Labour)
1979 - 1981: David Mitchell (Conservative)
1981 - 1983: John Gummer (Conservative)
1983 - 1989: Anthony Buck (Conservative)
1989 - 1990: Tim Yeo (Conservative)
1989 - 1992: Gillian Shephard (Conservative)
1992 - 1997: Jim Paice (Conservative)
1997 - 2001: Tony Wright (Labour)
2001 - 2003: Anne Campbell (Labour) [2]
2003 - 2005: Angela Smith (Labour)
2005 - 2010: Chris Mole (Labour)
2010 - 2012: Jim Paice (Conservative)
2012 - 2013: Liz Truss (Conservative)
2013 - 2015: Ben Gummer (Conservative)
2015 - 2016: Therese Coffey (Conservative)
2016 - 2018: Chloe Smith (Conservative)
2018 - 2019: Jo Churchill (Conservative)
2019 - 2021: John Baron (Conservative)
2021 - 2022: Vicky Ford (Conservative)
2022 -: Tom Hunt (Conservative)

[1] Resigned over Government policy towards Israel.
[2] Resigned over the Iraq War.

 

[Excelsior]

Replacing every president with another president of the same surname

1. Roger Sherman (1789-1793) Federalist*
Sherman kicked way up the ladder and replaced by a forgotten Founding Father, who might have been history's most famous Sherman if not for the other guy. Like our Sherman, he dies in office. I imagine that would have been quite a mess for a young nation.
2. Gouverneur Morris (1793-1797) Federalist
Couldn't get Sherman's successor to match, so here's early Morris, another less notable Founding Father. This is the only other Morris I could think of or find.
3. George Clinton (1797-1812) Republican*
Clinton was a hard one. I wanted to follow a "no family members" rule but it became difficult. So Clinton the Younger is replaced by his uncle, who was one of our vice presidents. He also dies in office.
4. Levi Lincoln Sr. (1812-1821) Republican
For the Lincoln father and son pair, we have a different Lincoln father and son pair. And they're only distantly related. Much smaller gap between their presidencies.
5. Andrew Jackson (1821-1825) Republican
Jackson was another tough one, not because there were so few Jacksons but because there were so many. Ultimately I went with General Andrew Jackson who died in the Continental War because I had a hard time finding someone to put in this gap. Jackson's life is extended to fit the timeline.
6. Edward Livingston (1825-1833) Federalist
Livingston is another one where I couldn't find anyone but their own family members. The age difference between the brothers at least lets me avoid having them in the same years.
7. Benjamin Franklin Butler (1833-1837) Federalist
Benjamin Franklin Butler is replaced by Benjamin Franklin Butler. Somehow, no relation. This guy is a complete footnote in this timeline, as opposed to the transformative real Butler.
8. Levi Lincoln Jr. (1837-1845) Republican
From Lincoln the father to Lincoln the son. Nothing to see here.
9. John P. Kennedy (1845-1853) Whig
Finding out there was another pair of political Kennedy brothers is what inspired this list. It would have been a lot funnier if second Kennedy brother John F. was the president in OTL. This Kennedy is the president who ends slavery and is the first Whig president instead of the last.
10. Zachary Taylor (1853-1857) Whig
Taylor replaced by someone completely dull and unremarkable. General Zachary Taylor is the one who commands the Army against the southern uprising, but he sucks as president and declines to seek another term.
11. John Brown (1857-1857) Whig*
Instead of our doofus president Brown, we get John Brown as president briefly before his assassination.
12. Cassius M. Clay (1857-1865) Whig
Clay, unfortunately, is a relative of Clay, which I didn't know before doing this. At least their terms don't overlap.
13. Edward Dickinson Baker (1865-1873) Whig
Baker, a president between great presidents, better regarded for his activities outside the presidency, is replaced by Baker, a president between great presidents, better regarded for his activities outside the presidency.
14. Anthony Kennedy (1873-1881) Whig
Kennedy's brother to Kennedy's brother. And father of the third Kennedy. Here, the second Kennedy is the less important than the first.
15. Cassius M. Clay (1881-1885) Whig
Non-consecutive Clay becomes non-consecutive Clay.
16. David Davis (1885-1886) Democratic*
Bad president Davis, bad president Davis. This one dies in office and is replaced by...
17. Augustus O. Bacon (1886-1889) Democratic
Bad president Bacon, bad president Bacon. Easy.
18. Thomas Brackett Reed (1889-1893) Sovereign Whig
The Reed who gave way to national disaster is replaced by the Reed who fractures the dominant party and leads to a period of strife. Bit of a stretch, I know.
19. Leonidas L. Polk (1893-1901) Popular Whig
No similarities between the Polks other than the name.
20. Stephen D. Kennedy (1901-1905) Sovereign Whig
Obligatory third Kennedy, progeny of second Kennedy.
21. William O'Connell Bradley (1905-1913) Popular Whig
Bradley is far less important here. Just some dude.
22. Thomas W. Wilson (1913-1921) Sovereign Whig
There were a few more obvious Wilsons but I had to fill this gap, so here's university president, racist, and international relations theory forefather T. W. Wilson.
22. Philander C. Knox (1921-1921) Sovereign Whig*
Knox, Knox. Funny first name. Dies in office.
24. Frank B. Kellogg (1921-1925) Sovereign Whig
The infamous Kellogg is replaced by a Kellogg of no relation, who was in fact a highly regarded statesman in his day.
25. Billy Mitchell (1925-1929) Popular Whig
Hero of the Air prevents our descent into disaster before quitting and going back to what he really wants to do. Much better than our crap Mitchell.
26. Joseph T. Robinson (1929-1937) Popular Whig
Robinson isn't a barrier shattering icon here, just your average Pop president.
27. Honus Wagner (1937-1941) Popular Whig
A Wagner was hard to find. Couldn't even go with his dad since he was born in the Palatinate, and the son would have crowded up the later decades too much. But after replacing Robinson I thought a different baseball president would be good. So here's the Flying Dutchman.
28. Thomas E. Dewey (1941-1946) Sovereign Whig*
This Dewey was a prosecutor who got whacked by the mob. Here, he still gets whacked by the mob, only after his career develops much further and he becomes president.
29. Bourke B. Hickenlooper (1946-1949) Sovereign Whig
I knew Hickenlooper was gonna be tough and was ecstatic when I found this guy, only to learn he was an uncle of the Hickenlooper. I guess with a surname like that, it was inevitable.
30. A. Philip Randolph (1949-1957) Popular Whig
Finally we get to Randolph. Instead of being the first president, he is the first black president.
31. Hubert H. Humphrey (1957-1961) Popular Whig
Humphrey was another tough one. Hubert Humphrey was a Minnesotan academic and wartime exile who could have gotten into politics if he was stateside at the right time.
32. Carl Hayden (1961-1965) Sovereign Whig
Hayden replaced by his political polar opposite. That's all.
33. Emily Douglas (1965-1969) Popular Whig
Douglas kicked a century down the line. Was originally her husband before I tried to match the number of female presidents.
34. Harold Hughes (1969-1973) Sovereign Whig
Hughes replaced by just some guy who barely makes a fraction of his mark on history.
35. Barbara Jordan (1973-1977) Popular Whig
Instead of LBJ, Barbara Jordan. Timing's a bit iffy but it still kinda works.
36. James M. Buchanan (1977-1985) Sovereign Whig
The economist James Buchanan, no relation. Just as bad.
37. Harold Washington (1985-1987) Popular Whig*
Our hero Washington come to save the Republic. He also dies in office!
38. Wendell H. Ford (1987-1989) Popular Whig
Here's Wendell Ford. Once again, reverse impact. You might be noticing a trend by now.
39. John Danforth (1989-1993) Sovereign Whig
Danforth much much later. Literally the only Danforth I could find who even dreamt of politics. John Danforth is from a business family and ran for office in Missouri a few times.
40. Bruce King (1993-2001) Popular Whig
Lots of Kings to choose from, but this one chosen for gap filling, albeit very close to the original King's tenure.
41. Rodney Frelinghuysen (2001-2009) Sovereign Whig
The longevity of the Frelinghuysen family means I could have picked any of them to go in at any time. I tried to avoid real life presidential candidates but the damn family tried a lot. Rodney gets to fulfil the family destiny.
42. John W. Henry (2009-2017) Sovereign Whig
Illustrious President Henry replaced by random white dude who isn't even a steel driving man.
43. Joe Donnelly (2017-2021) Sovereign Whig
The most boring Donnelly possible for the most interesting Donnelly possible.
44. Kamala Harris (2021-pres) Popular Whig
An equally unlikely candidacy as our Harris. You may remember Kamala Harris from Enriquez v. Harris. Hard to imagine her being president, isn't it?

 

[AnActualFam]

Replacing every president with another president of the same surname

1. Roger Sherman (1789-1793) Federalist*
Sherman kicked way up the ladder and replaced by a forgotten Founding Father, who might have been history's most famous Sherman if not for the other guy. Like our Sherman, he dies in office. I imagine that would have been quite a mess for a young nations.
2. Gouverneur Morris (1793-1797) Federalist
Couldn't get Sherman's successor to match, so here's early Morris, another less notable Founding Father. This is the only other Morris I could think of or find.
3. George Clinton (1797-1812) Republican*
Clinton was a hard one. I wanted to follow a "no family members" rule but it became difficult. So Clinton the Younger is replaced by his uncle, who was one of our vice presidents. He also dies in office.
4. Levi Lincoln Sr. (1812-1821) Republican
For the Lincoln father and son pair, we have a different Lincoln father and son pair. And they're only distantly related. Much less distance between their presidencies.
5. Andrew Jackson (1821-1825) Republican
Jackson was another tough one, not because there were so few Jacksons but because there were so many. Ultimately I went with General Andrew Jackson who died in the Continental War because I had a hard time finding someone to put in this gap. Jackson's life is extended to fit the timeline.
6. Edward Livingston (1825-1833) Federalist
Livingston is another one where I couldn't find anyone but their own family members. The age difference between the brothers at least lets me avoid having them in the same years.
7. Benjamin Franklin Butler (1833-1837) Federalist
Benjamin Franklin Butler is replaced by Benjamin Franklin Butler. Somehow, no relation. This guy is complete footnote in this timeline, as opposed to the transformative real Butler.
8. Levi Lincoln Jr. (1837-1845) Republican
From Lincoln the father to Lincoln the son. Nothing to see here.
9. John P. Kennedy (1845-1853) Whig
Finding out there was another pair of political Kennedy brothers is what inspired this list. It would have been a lot funnier if second Kennedy brother John F. was the president in OTL. This Kennedy is the president who ends slavery and is the first Whig president instead of the last.
10. Zachary Taylor (1853-1857) Whig
Taylor replaced by someone completely dull and unremarkable. General Zachary Taylor is the one who commands the Army against the southern uprising, but he sucks as president and declines to seek another term.
11. John Brown (1857-1857) Whig*
Instead of our doofus president Brown, we get John Brown was president briefly before his assassination.
12. Cassius M. Clay (1857-1865) Whig
Clay, unfortunately, is a relative of Clay, which I didn't know before doing this. At least their terms don't overlap.
13. Edward Dickinson Baker (1865-1873) Whig
Baker, a president between great presidents, better regarded for his activities outside the presidency, is replaced by Baker, a president between great presidents, better regarded for his activities outside the presidency.
14. Anthony Kennedy (1873-1881) Whig
Kennedy's brother to Kennedy's brother. And father of the third Kennedy. Here, the second Kennedy is the less important than the first.
15. Cassius M. Clay (1881-1885) Whig
Non-consecutive Clay becomes non-consecutive Clay.
16. David Davis (1885-1886) Democratic*
Bad president Davis, bad president Davis. This one dies in office and is replaced by...
17. Augustus O. Bacon (1886-1889) Democratic
Bad president Bacon, bad president Bacon. Easy.
18. Thomas Brackett Reed (1889-1893) Sovereign Whig
The Reed who gave way to national disaster is replaced by the Reed who fractures the dominant party and leads to a period of strife. Bit of a stretch, I know.
19. Leonidas L. Polk (1893-1901) Popular Whig
No similarities between the Polks other than the name.
20. Stephen D. Kennedy (1901-1905) Sovereign Whig
Obligatory third Kennedy, progeny of second Kennedy.
21. William O'Connell Bradley (1905-1913) Popular Whig
Bradley is far less important here. Just some dude.
22. Thomas W. Wilson (1913-1921) Sovereign Whig
There were a few more obvious Wilsons but I had to fill this gap, so here's university president, racist, and international relations theory forefather T. W. Wilson.
22. Philander C. Knox (1921-1921) Sovereign Whig*
Knox, Knox. Funny first name. Dies in office.
24. Frank B. Kellogg (1921-1925) Sovereign Whig
The infamous Kellogg is replaced by a Kellogg of no relation, who was in fact a highly regarded statesman in his day.
25. Billy Mitchell (1925-1929) Popular Whig
Hero of the Air prevents our descent into disaster before quitting and going back to what he really wants to do. Much better than our crap Mitchell.
26. Joseph T. Robinson (1929-1937) Popular Whig
Robinson isn't a barrier shattering icon here, just your average Pop president.
27. Honus Wagner (1937-1941) Popular Whig
A Wagner was hard to find. Couldn't even go with his dad since he was born in the Palatinate, and the son would have crowded up the later decades too much. But after replacing Robinson I thought a different baseball president would be good. So here's the Flying Dutchman.
28. Thomas E. Dewey (1941-1946) Sovereign Whig*
This Dewey was a prosecutor who got whacked by the mob. Here, he still gets whacked by the mob, only after his career develops much further and he becomes president.
29. Bourke B. Hickenlooper (1946-1949) Sovereign Whig
I knew Hickenlooper was gonna be tough and was ecstatic when I found this guy, only to learn he was an uncle of the Hickenlooper. I guess with a surname like that, it was inevitable.
30. A. Philip Randolph (1949-1957) Popular Whig
Finally we get to Randolph. Instead of being the first president, he is the first black president.
31. Hubert H. Humphrey (1957-1961) Popular Whig
Humphrey was another tough one. Hubert Humphrey was a Minnesotan academic and wartime exile who could have gotten into politics if he was stateside at the right time.
32. Carl Hayden (1961-1965) Sovereign Whig
Hayden replaced by his political polar opposite. That's all.
33. Emily Douglas (1965-1969) Popular Whig
Douglas kicked a century down the line. Was originally her husband before I tried to match number of female presidents.
34. Harold Hughes (1969-1973) Sovereign Whig
Hughes replaced by just some guy who barely makes a fraction of his mark on history.
35. Barbara Jordan (1973-1977) Popular Whig
Instead of LBJ, Barbara Jordan. Timescale's a bit iffy but it still kinda works.
36. James M. Buchanan (1977-1985) Sovereign Whig
The economist James Buchanan, no relation. Just as bad.
37. Harold Washington (1985-1987) Popular Whig*
Finally we get to Washington. He also dies in office!
38. Wendell H. Ford (1987-1989) Popular Whig
Here's Wendell Ford. Once again, reverse impact. You might be noticing a trend by now.
39. John Danforth (1989-1993) Sovereign Whig
Danforth much much later. Literally the only Danforth I could find who even dreamt of politics. John Danforth is from a business family and ran for office in Missouri a few times.
40. Bruce King (1993-2001) Popular Whig
Lots of Kings to choose from, but this one chosen for gap filling, albeit very close to the original King's tenure.
41. Rodney Frelinghuysen (2001-2009) Sovereign Whig
The longevity of the Frelinghuysen family means I could have picked any of them to go in at any time. I tried to avoid real life presidential candidates but the damn family tried a lot. Rodney gets to fulfil the family destiny.
42. John W. Henry (2009-2017) Sovereign Whig
Illustrious President Henry replaced by random white dude who isn't even a steel driving man.
43. Joe Donnelly (2017-2021) Sovereign Whig
The most boring Donnelly possible for the most interesting Donnelly possible.
44. Kamala Harris (2021-pres) Popular Whig
An equally unlikely candidacy as our Harris. You may remember Kamala Harris from Enriquez v. Harris. Hard to imagine her being president, isn't it?

What's the president list ITTL? Amazing idea for a list.

 

[frustrated progressive]

What's the president list ITTL? Amazing idea for a list.

Indeed it is.
Is this the first Double-Blind-List?
I can't remember any other interesting ones.

 

[Bolt451]

i'm drowning myself the minute a breadtuber shunts into political office higher than maybe a local mayoralty or a council seat, at that point i'll know we're fucking doomed

PRESIDENT WYNN

 

[Charles EP M.]

I was a few Prez's in before I realised and grinned, @Excelsior you sneaky sod

 

[Walpurgisnacht]

Illustrious President Henry replaced by random white dude who isn't even a steel driving man.

Based and Cash-pilled. (I mean, he probably wasn't much of a real person, but the same goes for Davy Crockett and he got into Congress as well.)

 

[Kimkatya]

PRESIDENT WYNN

I literally shuddered, at least I like Brewis as a person

 

[Yokai Man]

I literally shuddered, at least I like Brewis as a person

https://forum.sealionpress.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-ninety-first-official-pmqs-and-british-politics-thread.1369/page-294#post-269155

features JonTron,Sheriff Joe,Hannity,Chris RayGun and Ben Shapiro as Republican Congressmen/Senators,Peanut Butter Gamer,Lindsay Ellis,Bill Maher and Dave Holler as Democratic Congressmen/ Senators,Linkara as a Independent Congressman,Brad Bird as a Libertarian Congressman and Ross from Game Grumps’s wife Heidi as a Green Congresswoman.Other things included Pewdiepie being a Pirate Party and then a UKIP MP,IHE as a Labour MP who gets into numerous arguments and fights with Chris Williamson,Tom Watson and Owen Jones,Alex,Juan and Iain as LibDem MPs,who continue to do work on AH works and Sealion Press gets brought up in the media.

The seats number after 2017 are Conservatives 325,Labour 240,Libdem 17,Pirate-6,Ukip-3 after Pewdiepie and his followers defect due to arguments in the Pirate movement,SNP 42,Green 1. Adum from YourFilmSucks becomes a NDP MP after 2019,Ralph the moviemaker is a Democrat New York councilor and they and IHE still have their movie podcast. The 2020 presidential election in America gets over flooded with meme candidates/YouTubers taking over most third parties.The best ones are Jerma/Vinny ticket and Zaffre/Japhy ticket,that make fun of this situation and of third parties candidates in America as well.The dream ends with Oney having regrets wondering if he shouldn’t have done what he done and Jerma and Kim wondering about the future of America.

Some parts have aged even worse in 2022

Wynn incidentally is Congresswoman Ellis's chief of staff and the Breadtube people in Congress (only three actual people) have their own causus that hates everyone ,including the Squad.

Except Linkara because he's their friend

 

[Kimkatya]

https://forum.sealionpress.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-ninety-first-official-pmqs-and-british-politics-thread.1369/page-294#post-269155

Some parts have aged even worse in 2022

Wynn incidentally is Congresswoman Ellis's chief of staff and the Breadtube people in Congress (only three actual people) have their own causus that hates everyone ,including the Squad.

Except Linkara because he's their friend

I really fucking hate Natalie Wynn for a few reasons ranging from political to personal (not anything she did to me but rather how her presence affected me at a really bad time), so for anxiety reasons I try not to discuss her or anything she does at length

please do not talk to me about the internet’s left-wing drunk aunt

 

[Yokai Man]

I really fucking hate Natalie Wynn for a few reasons ranging from political to personal (not anything she did to me but rather how her presence affected me at a really bad time), so for anxiety reasons I try not to discuss her or anything she does at length

please do not talk to me about the internet’s left-wing drunk aunt

I apologize. I don’t like her either. She’s a bad person.

I didn’t mean to cause you anxiety.

 

[Kimkatya]

I apologize. I don’t like her either. She’s a bad person.

I didn’t mean to cause you anxiety.

It’s alright, public figure and all that.

Anyway, please Watch my alternate history as to what if Stuart Ashen became leader of Norwich City Council

 

[Meppo]

about the same as other electoral disputes in russia, but exasperated slightly by increasingly worse conditions. things go from mattering very little to becoming an increasingly prominent part of the "Spring Crisis" that catapults Malofeev into the position of Tsar

makes sense

the only real nitpick I might have is that Yashin and Lobanov are friends and thus would probably not run against each other, but I digress

 

[Sideways]

More Than One Vote​

2006-2010: David Miliband (Labour)

2010-2015: David Miliband (Labour) Coalition with Rowan Williams (Liberal Democrat)

2015-2019: Louise Bagshawe[1] (Conservative)

2019 EU Membership Referendum: Leave - 43.7% Remain - 56.3%

2019-2022: Darius Guppy (Conservative)

2022-2027: Rehman Crishti (Labour)

​

Def: Darius Guppy (Conservative); Emma Nicholson (Lib Dem); Zack Goldsmith (Green); Boris Johnson (UKIP); Liz Truss and Keir Starmer (Left Unity)


Guppy delayed the election from 2020 to 2021 due to COVID, then another six months into the third lockdown, when it was delayed again. This was a disaster for him as by the time he did call an election the length of time Britain had gone without a general election was attracting serious ridicule.

Labour Cabinet

Deputy Prime Minister, Chancellor for the Duchy of Lancashire, Minister for the Great Reset: Ed Miliband

Crishti's ideas guy is responsible for working out bold strategies to revive Britain's economy without losing moderate voters or spending too much money. He says "there's reasons to be cheerful" but as yet we don't know what they are​

Home Secretary: Anne Marie Waters

Brighton Labour's only right wing politician and walking "Controls on Immigration" mug​

Chancellor of the Exchequer: Munira Mirza

Has the job of holding a tight reign on the budget​

Foreign Secretary: Rory Stewart

Seen as a bit of a hawk. Britain now has strong sanctions against Russia and he's been to meet Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian government in Odessa a few times​

Defence: Ruth Davidson

Too early to say, not massively well known despite this being currently an important brief​

Health Wellbeing and Social Opportunities: Michael Gove

Focusing on what Labour call the "levelling up" agenda. Whatever that is,​

Local Government: Loz Kaye

Has silver hair and an interest in localism - it seems Labour are likely to push greater power for councils and "direct devolution" instead of an English parliament​

Food Business and Energy: Jason Kitcat

A bit of a boring policy wonk, which means he fits in perfectly with Crishti-ism​

International Trade and Development: Emily Benn

Scion of a big political family but maybe its most boring member​

Work and Pensions: Claire Fox

Promised to continue being tough on benefits cheats, so no reversal on One Child Policy, Under 25s Benefit Freeze or the roll out of Universal Credit.​

Education: Salma Yaqoob

Has already met with Women's Voice UK, LGB First!, and the Women's Social and Political Union. Oh, and some anti-same sex education campaigners, as a treat. But still treading that line where she's seen as a #ally​

Environment and Transport: Caroline Lucas

Pushing back against the British Rail Consortium's 2040 Branchline Extension Plan because it's too expensive it destroys too many ancient woodlands​

Culture Media and Sport: Gary Neville

A really worrying person to be in charge of Eurovision​

Equality Freedom Cyber & Opportunity: Jameela Jamil

Was pretty excitingly friendly to trans people during the election. It looks like Labour are going to give us a consultation on Gender Recognition Act reform and while the press have been pretty hostile so far, it's still quite exciting!​

Wales: Leanne Wood

The Aberystwyth-Carmarthen Railway is going ahead because it's technically not part of the axed branch line extension project for complex reasons that have nothing to do with Plaid's recent surge in Wales​

Scotland: Mhairi Black

A leftist and young and stuck in a department which barely has to do anything right now with Devo Max in place.​

Northern Ireland: Owen Jones

Northern Ireland is about as far into the political wilderness as Crishti dares put him​

England: Lisa Nandy

t o w n s​

Leader of the Commons: Piers Corbyn

An MP since 1987 and a leftist who nonetheless has friends on the right, so is probably well placed for this​

Leader of the Lords: Baroness Joanne Rowling

Labour's celebrity peer. The party doesn't seem to care yet that she gets weird on Twitter after too many proseccos​

The Conservative Election of 2022

Candidates from right to left

1. Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh: A right winger who is associated with anti-immigration, anti-EU, anti-trans politics, on the side of the party that's so right wing they are still opposing introducing sanctiuons to deal with Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
2. Shahrar Ali: Supported remain in the referendum but is now advertising himself as the candidate who wants to reach out to Leave voters. Mostly running on an anti-trans platform
3. Mark Dwek[2]: The son of a Jewish Egyptian businessman who was friends with Lord Lucan, Dwek is a radical and known for provocative "homourous" comments
4. Douglas Carswell: A left libertarian with strong interest in tech and a passion for radical ideas like flat taxation, privatising British Rail and selling off the governments remaining stake in the BBC. Strongly anti-trans rights and favours associate membership to the EU making Britain "The Hong Kong of Europe"
5. Nigel Farage: A centrist within the party in this post brexit-referendum age. Farage is an old style liberal with all that entails in terms of fox hunting, "freedom of speech" and low taxation. But then given the range of allies on his team nobody is expecting him to do half the things he says he will and since Brexit lost he doesn't seem to have a big political project.
6. Nick Clegg: A strong advocate of Big Tech and what he calls "The Tumblr Model of the British Public Sector". Pro trans rights, pro-EU but pretty pro-austerity
7. Jeremy Clarkson: A bit of an old fashioned sort - very concerned with rural housing, farming, and supporting the British Rail Consortium's 2040 Branchline Extension Plan. So, opposes a lot of cuts, neutral on trans rights, and pro-EU. An old fashioned Wet.

[1]OTL Mensch
[2]OTL Steel