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Woodrow Wilson doesnt survive major stroke in 1919?

#1
Well, aside from Edith Wilson not being able to hijack the Executive Branch for 2 and a half years, how will Thomas Marshall handle that period?

the desire for "a return to normalcy" as that Ohio Senator put it, will see Marshall's defeat in 1920 if he chooses to run.

Despite what The Other Place thought, Wilson's death won't lead to murmurings about a constitutional amendment, as, in this timeline, he's simply died and not been crippled and reduced to a shadow of himself.

It will take the atmosphere of something like the Cold War to really spur an amendment covering a disabled or incapacitated President.
 
#5
Wilson's wife and his aides hated VP Marshall and thought he was a light-weight who wasn't fit to be president and fought any effort to clue Marshall or Wilson's Cabinet as to the grave nature of Wilson's condition.

Calling Edith Wilson a female president is an insult to the first woman who becomes U.S. president constitutionally.
 

Japhy

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#6
Wilson's wife and his aides hated VP Marshall and thought he was a light-weight who wasn't fit to be president and fought any effort to clue Marshall or Wilson's Cabinet as to the grave nature of Wilson's condition.

Calling Edith Wilson a female president is an insult to the first woman who becomes U.S. president constitutionally.
Who are you responding to?
 

Cook

an obscure historical reference.
#7
And? There had been talk about such an Amendment to straighten out presidential sucession since the Tyler Administration.
What exactly are you arguing here, that the 25th Amendment would have occurred even if the Cold War hadn't forced the issue? If so, highlighting the fact that people had been vaguely talking about it for a hundred years without taking any action on the issue hardly seems to make a strong case.
 

Japhy

En bref, un trou du cul
Published by SLP
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Virginia-ish
#8
What exactly are you arguing here, that the 25th Amendment would have occurred even if the Cold War hadn't forced the issue? If so, highlighting the fact that people had been vaguely talking about it for a hundred years without taking any action on the issue hardly seems to make a strong case.
Pressure had been building for ages. The amendments passage had as much to do with recent presidential health and the fact that Jack Kennedy had been murdered then nuclear war did. Any sort of series of presidential death and near death could have triggered such a development.
 
#9
If Wilson’s death doesn’t force the issue, Harding’s death will definitely scare them half to death. Two presidents dying in office in a row? Heaven forbid!

Meanwhile, Marshall’s a lame duck who can’t really do much different from IOTL. I guess he isn’t as stubborn as Wilson about accepting compromises on the League of Nations, and he does pass the treaty in the end. Of course, America’s presence will have just as much impact on things ITTL as its absence did IOTL (ie. fuck-all impact and WWII happens on schedule), but that’ll be Marshall’s legacy, if anything. At the very least, he won’t be as horribly racist in office as Wilson.

Also, I guess the first VP to last two consecutive terms in office is now...Richard Nixon. Wow.
 

Oppo

Mike Pence’s hair
#10
If Wilson’s death doesn’t force the issue, Harding’s death will definitely scare them half to death. Two presidents dying in office in a row? Heaven forbid!

Meanwhile, Marshall’s a lame duck who can’t really do much different from IOTL. I guess he isn’t as stubborn as Wilson about accepting compromises on the League of Nations, and he does pass the treaty in the end. Of course, America’s presence will have just as much impact on things ITTL as its absence did IOTL (ie. fuck-all impact and WWII happens on schedule), but that’ll be Marshall’s legacy, if anything. At the very least, he won’t be as horribly racist in office as Wilson.

Also, I guess the first VP to last two consecutive terms in office is now...Richard Nixon. Wow.
Ignoring butterflies, wouldn’t it be Garner from 1933-1941?
 
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