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radacite social-revolutionary republic

Multi-party America, generated by ChatGPT
So, this was my prompt.

Imagine in a world in which the US is a parliamentary republic featuring a wide range of parties, ranging from Marxist-Leninists on the left to theocrats and extremists on the right, and parties for certain minority groups as well. There are 10-16 competitive parties covering this whole spectrum. Simulate the results of the 2020 congressional elections. Specify the name of each party, their political views, their leader, their share of the vote, and how many seats they got. Be very creative with regards to the parties' names and views, and make unique choices for the party's leaders, taking care to avoid established politicians and trying to use more obscure figures. Make sure that all of the leaders are real people who actually exist, not fictional ones.
I took this prompt from a friend who used it in GPT-4 but since I can't pay for it I used ChatGPT instead. All things considered it was pretty good at it.
Sure, here are the simulated results of the 2020 congressional elections in this alternative world:
  1. United People's Front: Marxist-Leninist party advocating for the working class and economic equality. Leader: Angela Davis. Share of vote: 19%. Seats: 120.
  2. Green Alliance: Environmentalist party advocating for sustainable development and protection of natural resources. Leader: Winona LaDuke. Share of vote: 14%. Seats: 90.
  3. Progressive Party: Left-leaning party advocating for social justice, universal healthcare, and higher taxes on the wealthy. Leader: Bernie Sanders. Share of vote: 13%. Seats: 85.
  4. New Democrats: Center-left party advocating for a balance between economic growth and social welfare. Leader: Andrew Yang. Share of vote: 12%. Seats: 80.
  5. Liberty Party: Libertarian party advocating for small government and individual freedoms. Leader: Gary Johnson. Share of vote: 11%. Seats: 70.
  6. Christian Democratic Party: Center-right party advocating for Christian values, traditional family values, and limited government intervention in the economy. Leader: Rick Santorum. Share of vote: 10%. Seats: 65.
  7. United Front: Far-right party advocating for white nationalism, authoritarianism, and traditional values. Leader: Richard Spencer. Share of vote: 7%. Seats: 45.
  8. Workers' Party: Socialist party advocating for nationalization of industries, free healthcare, and a minimum wage. Leader: Noam Chomsky. Share of vote: 6%. Seats: 40.
  9. Indigenous People's Party: Party advocating for the rights and interests of indigenous people. Leader: Winona Duke. Share of vote: 5%. Seats: 35.
  10. Muslim Brotherhood: Party advocating for the interests of the Muslim community, Sharia law and traditional Islamic values. Leader: Hamza Yusuf. Share of vote: 2%. Seats: 15.
  11. LGBT Equality Party: Party advocating for the rights and interests of the LGBT community. Leader: Edith Windsor. Share of vote: 1%. Seats: 5.
  12. Transhumanist Party: Party advocating for the use of science and technology to enhance human capabilities and solve social problems. Leader: Zoltan Istvan. Share of vote: 1%. Seats: 5.
The remaining 5% of the vote was split between various smaller parties and independents who did not win any seats in the parliament.
 
Super Hypothetical Althist Scenario mk1
Beginning of hypothesis -

  • Red SPD-led Germany (think Orthodox Marxists/Kautskyism, not the OTL post-war 1930s SPD) resulting from earlier World War (with Bebel alive, Burgfrieden doesn't work out as it did OTL; perhaps WW1 begins with Agadir, or Balkan Wars) which Germany loses. Then what?
    • Franz Ferdinand alive, possible red Hungary?
    • Russia? France? UK? Italy? USA? Ottomans, etc.?
    • Denmark goes a whiter shade of red after cabinet crisis and German-influenced strikes bring socdems to power, but a red-tinged parliamentary democracy and not a proper council rep.?
    • What of Italy again?
    • Reactionary France or too cliche? Maybe make Britain the reactionary power? (Tory die-hards, neo-Tories, Rothermere, Mistery, Page Croft etc.) - scenario in India then responding to that?
    • Surviving Second Internationale obviously, what will be the dissident/minority socialist trend 🤔🤔
 
Bose Timeline Beginning
  • PoD - 1938 or 1939 - In March 1939, Gandhi's fast unto death in Rajkot amidst a period of state-sanctioned repression by the local monarchy is never broken, due to a lack of intervention from the Viceroy. As a result, Subhash Chandra Bose remains President of the Congress after his re-election at the Tripuri session in 1939, due to a lack of Gandhi's intervention in favour of P. Sitaramayya and then, Rajendra Prasad.
  • During the war, Bose never escapes to Europe as he did in real life, rather being imprisoned by the British like most of the Congress leadership. After the war, an insurgency-turned-rebellion (think Malaya) breaks out in India, as the Congress remains popular despite British opposition - forcing the British to withdraw and Bose's Congress to come out on top.
  • This fundamentally changes the political trajectory of India. Instead of becoming a dominant-party democratic state under Nehru, it becomes a left-ish party-state not dissimilar to (a more leftist variation of) Sukarnoist Indonesia.
 
it's kind of crazy how far-righters think of von coudenhove-kalergi as some sort of scapegoat bad man when he basically agreed with virtually every far-right european talking point beyond being slightly less racist
 
things id revive for a laugh:

mithraism
orphism
manichaeism
alchemy
geocentrism (is this even dead)
ritual combat
saint-simonianism
weird secular religions like the cult of reason and religion of humanity
 
The Singapore Model: On Singapore's Little-Known Socialist Successes by Matt Bruenig
The Singapore Model: On Singapore's Little-Known Socialist Success
July 17, 2017
by Matt Bruenig

Here in America, "socialism" is still a boogieman for whatever the right doesn't like. Last year's Democratic primaries showed this once more, with the promising figure of Ted Milliband's loss - thus giving us yet another President Bush, woefully. But although our new, gaffe-prone commander-in-chief and his frankly, deranged policy towards the Russians undoing years of Soviet-American de-escalation may suggest otherwise, Americans do in fact want "socialism".

The demands of the American people are really not too far from what a lot of countries already have - and these countries are first and foremost, socialist systems. While we Americans may associate the word "socialism" with Soviet tyranny, or more perplexingly, the very much non-socialist anocracy of our Japanese fair-weather friends, one doesn't need to look too far. The Nordic countries are one such success; but closer to home is Singapore, a remarkably stable Asian city-state right next to Japan-friendly Malaya.

Singapore's successful welfare state has been widely discussed, but the word "socialist" rarely pops up when it's brought up by American commentators. Neoliberal, conservative and libertarian economists - bafflingly - seem to think Singapore's system aligns with their own system. I've heard the argument that Singapore's a bastion of capitalism multiple times, seemingly because these writers don't understand what "capitalist" means and are willing to go to enormous lengths to prove that leftism can't succeed.

But Singapore is openly socialist, having been governed by a socialist party since the 1960s. Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, a golden boy to many, stated way back in 1966 - "I believe in socialism because I believe it is one of the most effective ways of mobilising [sic] human resources.". Since the 1960s, the ruling People's Action Party (PAP) has taken the endeavor to build a truly democratic socialist state - one that is, today, a shining star in an otherwise relatively bleak region.

Beyond the PAP's open socialist inclinations (the new PM, Mr. Heng Chee How is a union man, something a conservative commentator would probably fear in America), Singapore's success shows evidence of socialism at work. Today, more than 4/5 of housing in Singapore is publicly owned, in stark contrast to here in America. Around 90% of land is owned by the government. At the same time, Singapore is one of the most developed countries in all of Southeast Asia, having gone from a poor fishing hamlet to the international financial hub it is today.

There's an odd amount of doublethink that comes about whenever this is brought up on the right. On one hand, conservatives, in their attempt to disprove the idea that socialism can work, point to the Soviet Union's adoption of a "market" system in the 1980s. But they also point to that as an example of the kind of failure-ridden socialism we can't have in America. This shows another flaw in the right-wing argument - that socialism is consistently thought of as the absence of a self-regulating price system and market, and the dominance of the state over everything. Add to that the idea that Russia's undeniably authoritarian system makes socialism by default, undemocratic. But Singapore - where the government has ruled by popular mandate since the 1960s, not through the usage of force, but through policies that benefit the people - and the Nordics show that there is another way - a truly democratic socialist system, where a democratically elected government oversees collective ownership of the means of production, but using the price system in the allocation of resources.

We in America would do well to learn socialism from countries like Singapore.


OOC: The idea of a world where LKY and PAP kept their initial centre-left credentials is oddly interesting to me. Writing this was unfortunately a test of endurance because it required me to read numerous articles by Bruenig to (attempt) to get his style right.
 
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