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Making..: Monetarism drives off a cliff, Social Democracy and Liberalism win and EuroCommunism/Reformist Communism survives in a different 1980s...including No Dawn in America, Kinnock banning the bomb and Breznevhev falling down some stairs in 1977.
A test thread for my various ideas for a timeline I hope to do someday, also graphics and stuff that I Commision from folks etc.
 
MAKING NEIL KINNOCK:
Leaders of the Labour Party:
1963-1976: Harold Wilson
1976-1979: Michael Foot
1979-1984: Denis Healey
1984-: Neil Kinnock


Deputy Leaders of the Labour Party:
1960-1970: George Brown
1970-1972: Roy Jenkins
1972-1976: Ted Short
1976-1978: Shirley Williams
1978-1979: Denis Healey
1979-1984: Roy Hattersley
1984-: Micheal Meacher


Prime Ministers of Great Britain:
1974-1976: Harold Wilson (Labour)

1974 (Majority) def: Ted Heath (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1976-1978: Michael Foot (Labour)
1978-1985: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1978 (Majority) def: Michael Foot (Labour), Roy Jenkins-David Steel (Alliance)
1983 (Majority) def: Denis Healey (Labour), David Owen-David Steel (Alliance), Jeremy Corbyn (Solidarity)
1985-1988: Michael Heseltine (Conservative)
1986 (Coalition with *SDP) def: Neil Kinnock (Labour), David Owen (*SDP), Shirley Williams-David Steel (Alliance), Pat Wall (Solidarity)
1988-: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1988 (Majority) def: Michael Heseltine (Conservative), Rosie Barnes (*SDP), Paddy Ashdown (Alliance), Liz Davies (Solidarity)

1976, Wilson steps down and whilst in the midst of a chaotic leadership election James Callaghan slips in the bath and suffers a concussion. Whilst not enough to stop him losing the first ballot it does give Jenkins a slight boost in support which makes him stay on the second ballot. With Jenkins and Callaghan splitting the Right, Foot manages to break in on the Left but any perception that this would mean Trotskyism and Red Flags in Britain was sadly mistaken. Foot's Government besieged by financial problems and other issues is unable to succeed in dealing with the raises in unemployment and problems with the Trade Unions, however Foot does decide to promote some new young radicals to the Front Bench with folks like Gould and importantly Kinnock getting some Junior Minister jobs. Kinnock in the dying rumblings of the Foot Government is briefly promoted to Secretary of Education as Roy Jenkins and Co decide that Labour's time is up and creates the Social Democrats decreeing that Benn was too strong an influence on Foot. In the spring of 1978, Labour goes to the polls and despite putting up a good fight, Thatcher wins a substantial majority as the Alliance bites into Labour's vote.

The subsequent leadership election is won by Denis Healey decisively against Peter Shore and the Right comes into power of the Labour Party machinations...it doesn't work out. The hunt against Militant becomes a clusterfuck and instead of a slow trickle and death of British Trotskyism the massive kick outs and perception by some on the Left that Militant is being unfairly treated by the Right means a bizarre gaggle of Bennites, Trots and Left Wing oddities join 'Solidarity'. The economy bounces back, Thatcher is rather popular and the Falklands occurs, leading to 1983 becoming a wash for Labour as Healey is unable to deal with the more modern campaigns of the Conservatives and Alliance with a landslide victory occurring for Thatcher. The subsequent leadership elections are considered a referendum on the Labour Right's ability to govern and with the Kinnock-Meacher ticket winning indicating that the answer is a firm 'NO'!

Kinnock helps correct the ship, leading a Modern but Left Wing Labour in reaction to the failure of the Labour Right to modernise either, meanwhile Solidarity's mask slips off during problems with the Liverpool Council, Thatcher battles Heseltine in 1985 over Westland and crashes and burns as Heseltine becomes leader and Owen starts disagreeing with David Steel. The chaos within the Conservative Government ripples outwards and what seems to be a definite Conservative victory becomes a hung parliament with Conservative advantage as Solidarity popularity tumbles off a cliff, Kinnock is able to use the chaos of the Tory Government to his advantage and David Owen nearly destroys the Alliance by taking the 'Gang of Four 2' with him into a coalition with the Conservatives. Within the next two chaotic years nothing much is done and Heseltine stays around by just his finger nails whilst Owen buggers off to the House of Lords in the Winter of 1988.

1988 Heseltine lose a vote of confidence and once again the parties go to the nation, and after 10 years of chaotic rule, Kinnock's stable vision of a Modern, Nuclear Free, Social Democratic Britain seems to appeal to the public over whatever Heseltine has to offer.

And so Kinnock wins and his vision of achieving a 'Bevanite 21st Century' as he joked at the 1987 Labour Party conference may turn out to be true...

This requires some editing
 
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Looks cool!
Then again I love any timeline with Heseltine as PM, the only way it could appeal to me more is if Livingstone somehow got into power.
(Mandatory disclaimer: I don't actually like either of them, they just fascinate me.)
 
Looks cool!
Then again I love any timeline with Heseltine as PM, the only way it could appeal to me more is if Livingstone somehow got into power.
(Mandatory disclaimer: I don't actually like either of them, they just fascinate me.)
Well it's a cabinet with Heseltine and Owen in so I'm sure nothing could go wro-

Haha, I can't be serious there would be a battle of stupid egos really.
 
MAKING FERRARO

1977-1981: Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
1976 (With Frank Church) def: Jerry Ford (Republican)
1981: Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1980 (With George H.W.Bush) def: Ted Kennedy (Democratic), John Anderson (Independent)
1981-1988: George H.W.Bush (Republican)
1984 (With Alexander Haig) def: Gary Hart (Democratic)
1988-1989: Alexander Haig (Republican)
1989-: Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1988 (With Al Gore) def: Alexander Haig (Republican), Lee Iacocca (Independent)

American Liberalism took a bit of a hit in the late 70s, the Carter-Church ticket whilst winning wasn't able to bring about the projects that they wanted and as the 1980 Presidential Election came, the Liberals would strike back against Carter's limp regime with Ted Kennedy's nomination in 1980. Reagan would win but it wouldn't be as much of a landslide as OTL (still over 300 electoral college voters though), but he wouldn't live long enough to implement the ideas he wants as he takes a bullet in 1981. George H.W.Bush takes over and implements something similar to the ideas he wants, mainly a sense of bland Technocratic Conservatism. 1984 is similar to 1980, with the bizarre 'New' Democrats ideas of Gary Hart hitting the brickwall of Bush's presidency, causing many in the Democrats to look away from the emerging strain of Democrats at back towards the classic strains of Social Liberalism/Social Democrats.

The remaining years of Bush's rule go fine...before an incident similar to Iran-Contra occurs. Bush is impeached in 1988 for his part in the various deals and the lame duck Haig regime shows to America that the Republicans have imploded as governing force for the time being. Meanwhile in 1988 the Democrats chose there choice for President, with New York Senator Geraldine Ferraro beating Al Gore and Jesse Jackson with her almost Populist message of Social Liberalism beating out the two. The 1988 election between the Social Liberal Ferraro, the awkward Conservatism of Haig and the Angry Populism of Lee Iacocca see's it be a Ferraro wash.

And so for many the 1990s begin in 1988 with the Kinnock-Ferraro victories and the beginning of the 'Radical 90s'.
 
Leaders of the Soviet Union (CPSU Factions):
1964-1977:Leonid Brezhnev (Conservative)
1977-1981: Pyotr Demichev (Conservative)
1981-1986: Yegor Ligachyov (Moderate)

1986: Mikhail Gorbachev (Reform)*
1986-1994: Nikolai Ryzhkov (Reform)
1989: Soviet Presidential Elections Occur, Only CPSU approved candidates allowed
1990 (With Alexander Yakovlev) def: Ruslan Khasbulatov (Glasnost), Boris Yeltsin (Liberal), Vladimir Zhirinovsky (National Front)

1994-: Ruslan Khasbulatov (Glasnost)
1994 (With Raisa Gorbacheva) def: Nikolai Ryzhov (Reform), Yegor Gaidar (Liberal), Sergey Baburin (Nationalist-Conservative), Alexander Barkashov (National Front),Svyatoslav Fyodorov (Independent)
1995: *Creation of Untied Sovereign States*

@neonduke What do you think?

*Assassinated
 
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Chancellors of West Germany:
1976-1984: Helmut Kohl (CDU/CSU)

1976 (Majority) def:
1980 (Coalition with FDP) def:

1984-1987: Norbert Blüm (CDU/CSU)
1984 (Coalition with FDP) def:
1987-:Hans-Jochen Vogel (SDP)
1987 (Coalition with Greens) def:
 
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Minor British Parties (Between 1-7 MPs in Parliament) 1988-:

National Parties:

Continuity Social Democratic Party*

Rosie Barnes (Woolwich)
Sue Slipman (Basildon)
Mike Hancock (Portsmouth South)

Stephen Milligan (Eastleigh)


Solidarity:
Jeremy Corbyn (Hackney)
Terry Fields (Liverpool Broadgreen)
Lesley Mahmood (Liverpool Walton)

Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow Pollok)

Regional Parties:

Scottish Democratic Party:

Jim Sillars (Glasgow Govan)
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth and Kinross)
Margo MacDonald (Hamilton)

Plaid Cymru:

Dafydd Wigley
Ieuan Wyn Jones


Ulster Unionist Party:

Social Democratic Labour Party:

Democratic Unionist Party:

The Workers Party-Unity:
Sean Garland
Seamus Lynch (Belfast West)

Bernadette Devlin



*Changed to Reform in 1989
 
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Leaders of the Soviet Union (CPSU Factions):
1964-1977:Leonid Brezhnev (Conservative)

1977-1981: Pyotr Demichev (Conservative)
1981-1986: Yegor Ligachyov (Moderate)

1986: Mikhail Gorbachev (Reform)*
1986-1994: Nikolai Ryzhkov (Reform)
1989: Soviet Presidential Elections Occur, Only CPSU approved candidates allowed
1990 (With Alexander Yakovlev) def: Ruslan Khasbulatov (Glasnost), Boris Yeltsin (Liberal), Vladimir Zhirinovsky (National Front)

1994-: Ruslan Khasbulatov (Glasnost)
1994 (With Raisa Gorbacheva) def: Nikolai Ryzhov (Reform), Yegor Gaidar (Liberal), Sergey Baburin (Nationalist-Conservative), Alexander Barkashov (National Front),Svyatoslav Fyodorov (Independent)
1995: *Creation of Untied Sovereign States*

@neonduke What do you think?

*Assassinated

How does Demichev end up out of power in 81, moderate internal coup? Who whacks Gorby?
 
Minor British Parties (Between 1-7 MPs in Parliament) 1988-:



Continuity Social Democratic Party*
Rosie Barnes (Woolwich)
Sue Slipman (Basildon)
Mike Hancock (Portsmouth South)
Stephen Milligan (Eastleigh)


Solidarity:
Jeremy Corbyn (Hackney)
Terry Fields (Liverpool Broadgreen)
Lesley Mahmood (Liverpool Walton)


Regional Parties:

Scottish Democratic Party:
Jim Sillars (Glasgow Govan)
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth and Kinross)
Margo MacDonald (Hamilton)

Plaid Cymru:
Dafydd Wigley
Ieuan Wyn Jones


Ulster Unionist Party:

Social Democratic Labour Party:

Democratic Unionist Party:

The Workers Party-Unity:




*Changed to Reform in 1989

Do the Shinners not get any seats or are they not included because of abstentionism? Unless Workers Party - Unity is an Officials/Provos reconciliation?!? If so into my veins please.
 
How does Demichev end up out of power in 81, moderate internal coup? Who whacks Gorby?
I’m thinking Andropov approves him, hoping he’s an empty suit, but by 1979 this proves to rapidly not be the case. The moderates coup him and place someone else more agreeable in charge. As for Gorby, official explaination is a Fascist of some kind, unofficial, a Hardliner (insert Soviet General man) Military man kills him abruptly as part of a plot to take control but he’s instantly dealt with and the Reformers are able to get the control they truly want.
Do the Shinners not get any seats or are they not included because of abstentionism? Unless Workers Party - Unity is an Officials/Provos reconciliation?!? If so into my veins please.
Unity is a strong split from the Provos, and the IRSP doesn’t get off the ground because Costello is whacked. So in a way yes.
 
Do they take their seats in Westminster? Have to admit I'd take a certain glee from seeing Tomás Mac Giolla and Sean Garland in the chamber.
Yes, there’s only 2 MPs, originally it was going to be Seamus Lynch and Bernadette Devlin, but Sean Garland amuses me.
 
Chancellors of West Germany:
1976-1984: Helmut Kohl (CDU/CSU)

1976 (Majority) def:
1980 (Coalition with FDP) def:

1984-1987: Norbert Blüm (CDU/CSU)
1984 (Coalition with FDP) def:
1987-: Oskar Lafontaine (SDP)
1987 (Coalition with Greens) def:
Hmm, anyone have any suggestion for someone else than Oskar LaFontaine, someone German and Left Wing who isn’t as crap as Lafontaine.
 
Japan:
1978-1981: Masayoshi Ōhira (LDP)

1980 (Majority) def: Ichio Asukata (Japanese Socialist Party), Yoshikatsu Takeiri (Komeito), Yōhei Kōno (New Liberal), Sasaki Ryōsaku (Democratic Socialist), Sanzō Nosaka (Japanese Communist Party)
1981-1982: Masayoshi Ito (LDP)
1982-1985: Shintaro Abe (LDP)
1983 (Majority) def: Masashi Ishibashi (JSP), Yoshikatsu Takeiri (Komeito), Yōhei Kōno (New Liberal), Sasaki Ryōsaku (Democratic Socialist),Hideo Den (Shaminren), Kenji Miyamoto (JCP)
1985-1987:Noboru Takeshita (LDP)
1986 (Coalition with Komeito) def: Takako Doi (JSP), Yoshikatsu Takeiri (Komeito), Yōhei Kōno (New Liberal), Sasaki Ryōsaku-Satsuki Eda (Social Democrats), Tetsuzo Fuwa (JCP)
1987-: Takako Doi (JSP)
1987 (‘Democratic Coalition’) def: Noboru Takeshita (LDP), Morihiro Hosokawa (Shinshintō), Kōshirō Ishida (Komieto), Yōhei Kōno (New Liberal), Satsuki Eda (Minshutō), Tetsuzo Fuwa (JCP)
 
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Iberian/West European Democracies:

France (Presidents because I'm lazy):

1974-1981: Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (IR)

1974 (Second Round) def: François Mitterrand (PS)
1981-: François Mitterrand (PS)
1981 (Second Round) def: Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (UDF)
1988 (Second Round) def: Jacques Chirac (RPR)


Italy:
1976-1978: Giulio Andreotti (CD)

1976 def:
1978-1981: Francesco Cossiga (CD)
1979 def:
1981-1984: Amintore Fanfani (CD)
1983 def:
1984-1987: Bettino Craxi (PSI)
1987-: Renzo Imbeni (PCI)
1987 def:


Spain:
1976-1985: Adolfo Suárez (UCD)
1977 (Majority) def:
1979 (Majority) def:
1982 (Coalition with PDP) def:

1985-: Alfonso Guerra (PSOE)
1985 (Majority) def:

Portugal:
Prime Minister:

1980-1987: Francisco de Sá Carneiro (PSD)
1980 (Majority) def:
198

1987-: Jorge Sampaio (PS)
President:
 
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Paramount Leaders of the People's Republic of China:
1949-1976: Mao Zedong (CCP) (Mao Zedong Thought)

1976-1978: Hua Guofeng (CCP) (The Two Whatevers)
1978-1985: Deng Xiaoping (CCP) (Socialism with Chinese Characteristics)
1985-1989: Qiao Shi (CCP) (New Socialism, New Order, New People)
1989-: Zhao Ziyang (CCP) (New Chinese Dawn)
 
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1st Kinnock Cabinet (1988-1990)
Prime Minister: Neil Kinnock
Deputy Prime Minister and Secretary of State for Employment: Micheal Meacher
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Bryan Gould
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs: Robin Cook
Secretary of State for Home Affairs: Margaret Beckett
Secretary of State for Defence: Denzil Davies
Leader of the House of Commons: John Smith
Secretary of State for Trade and Industry: Gordon Brown
Secretary of State for Education: John Prescott
Secretary of State for Health: David Blunkett
Secretary of State for Energy: Frank Dobson
Secretary of State for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food: Joan Ruddock
Secretary of State for Transport: Ann Taylor
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: George Howarth

—//—
Minister for Equalities: Maureen Colquhoun
 
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