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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

One Tin Soldier:
"The youth of this country have only two heroes, Ralph Nader and Billy Jack."
1969-1973: Richard Nixon (Republican)
1968 (With Spiro Agnew) def: Hubert Humphrey (Democratic), George Wallace (American Independent)
1972 (With John Connolly) def: George McGovern (Democratic)

1973-1977: John Connolly (Republican)
1977-1981: George Wallace (Democratic)

1976 (With Mildred Fay Jefferson) def: John Connolly (Republican), Tom McCall (Third Force)
1981-1989: Ralph Nader (Third Force)
1980 (With Tom Laughlin) def: George Wallace (Democratic), Bob Dole (Republican)
1984 (With Tom Laughlin) 1st Round def: Pete Du Pont (Republican), Billy Graham (Democrat), Hunter S. Thompson (Citizens)
2nd Round def: Billy Graham (Democratic)

1989-: Tom Laughlin (Citizens)
1988 (With Howie Hawkins) 1st Round def: Eugene McCarthy (Republican-Third Force), Pat Robertson (Democratic), Russell Means (Libertarian)
2nd Round def: Eugene McCarthy (Republican-Third Force)
 
Introducing people to the Third Force has been my one significant impact on the online AH community lol, I even see it come up on AH.com sometimes
It’s that the gift that keeps on giving, you can everyone from Eco-Conscious Republicans to Technocratic Progressives to Burnt Out Hippes all in one party and it doesn’t seem out of place at all.
 
It’s that the gift that keeps on giving, you can everyone from Eco-Conscious Republicans to Technocratic Progressives to Burnt Out Hippes all in one party and it doesn’t seem out of place at all.

laughing to myself knowing that any kind of nearly impossible party like this that would form in the modern day would probably be called something like Good Vibes
 
I keep thinking of the Ulster one and get very confused.
To be fair there was also a Ulster party called Ulster Third Way, which wasn’t the Social Democratic consensus that emerged in 90s but instead a ‘Third Position’ group (who seemed to be more a gaggle of Unionist National Liberals if anything).

I think we should ban all use of Third in politics.
 
Speaking of a fusionist ideology, has anyone done an Orwellist (pro-federation, anti-racial socialist-democratic republic with X-derived "New X" auxlangist) or Tolkienist (rural 'ancap' environmentalist-traditionalist) state?
The problem is how to get there - an India which takes Gandhi's proposals more seriously somehow could fit the second
 
Speaking of a fusionist ideology, has anyone done an Orwellist (pro-federation, anti-racial socialist-democratic republic with X-derived "New X" auxlangist) or Tolkienist (rural 'ancap' environmentalist-traditionalist) state?
The problem is how to get there - an India which takes Gandhi's proposals more seriously somehow could fit the second
Someone has done a Tolkienist one.
 
Speaking of a fusionist ideology, has anyone done an Orwellist (pro-federation, anti-racial socialist-democratic republic with X-derived "New X" auxlangist) or Tolkienist (rural 'ancap' environmentalist-traditionalist) state?
The problem is how to get there - an India which takes Gandhi's proposals more seriously somehow could fit the second

Well that one just isn't true.
 
Speaking of a fusionist ideology, has anyone done an Orwellist (pro-federation, anti-racial socialist-democratic republic with X-derived "New X" auxlangist) or Tolkienist (rural 'ancap' environmentalist-traditionalist) state?
The problem is how to get there - an India which takes Gandhi's proposals more seriously somehow could fit the second
This part can also be put in a bit of doubt. Orwell actually was something of a monarchist, he wrote extensively of the perceived role monarchy had in staving off fascism in Britain, as can be seen in the Spring 1944 Partisan Review.

His sort of monarchism is essentially one that strips the monarchy of all its power, but allows it to stay as the focal point of the nation-state that people can revere, and he doesn't quite defend it everywhere, but I would be comfortable saying that an 'Orwellist' state would be a constitutional monarchy.
‘The function of the King in promoting stability and acting as a sort of keystone in a non-democratic society is, of course, obvious. But he also has, or can have, the function of acting as an escape-valve for dangerous emotions. A French journalist said to me once that the monarchy was one of the things that have saved Britain from Fascism. What he meant was that modern people can’t, apparently, get along without drums, flags and loyalty parades, and that it is better that they should tie their leader-worship onto some figure who has no real power. In a dictatorship the power and the glory belong to the same person.

In England the real power belongs to unprepossessing men in bowler hats: the creature who rides in a gilded coach behind soldiers in steel breast-plates is really a waxwork. It is at any rate possible that while this division of function exists a Hitler or a Stalin cannot come to power. On the whole the European countries which have most successfully avoided Fascism have been constitutional monarchies. The conditions seemingly are that the Royal Family shall be long-established and taken for granted, shall understand its own position and shall not produce strong characters with political ambitions. These have been fulfilled in Britain, the Low Countries and Scandinavia, but not in, say, Spain or Rumania.

If you point these facts out to the average left-winger he gets very angry, but only because he has not examined the nature of his own feelings towards Stalin. I do not defend the institution of monarchy in an absolute sense, but I think that in an age like our own it may have an inoculating effect, and certainly it does far less harm than the existence of our so-called aristocracy. I have often advocated that a Labour government, i.e. one that meant business, would abolish titles while retaining the Royal Family.’
— George Orwell, Spring 1944 Partisan Review.
 
Speaking of a fusionist ideology, has anyone done an Orwellist (pro-federation, anti-racial socialist-democratic republic with X-derived "New X" auxlangist) or Tolkienist (rural 'ancap' environmentalist-traditionalist) state?
The problem is how to get there - an India which takes Gandhi's proposals more seriously somehow could fit the second
Hey it's me!

I think there's a lot of room for a more in depth "Tolkienism" tbh and I actually quite like the sound of an Orwell vs Tolkien political system. As people have said though, Orwell (at least post-1940ish) is both a monarchist and rather socially conservative/nationalist in a few spots - definitely an interesting direction for the left to go.
 
Hey it's me!

I think there's a lot of room for a more in depth "Tolkienism" tbh and I actually quite like the sound of an Orwell vs Tolkien political system. As people have said though, Orwell (at least post-1940ish) is both a monarchist and rather socially conservative/nationalist in a few spots - definitely an interesting direction for the left to go.
An area of conflict would be language - Tolkienism would be definitely polylingual while Orwellism would support (as Orwell did during WW2 OTL) the idea of an English-derived Basic English (that actually isn't basic enough)
 
I think there's a lot of room for a more in depth "Tolkienism" tbh
I did a Tolkienist list that's a little more in-depth (albeit not nearly as long and a bit more malleable than yours) for the Fourth HoS challenge (still a bit peeved that it wasn't accepted after the effort I put into it, ngl), and I'll take any excuse to repost old work of mine so:


In the Darkness Bind Them

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Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
1931-1935: David Lloyd George (All Party Government) [1]
1936: Rotha Lintorn-Orman (British Fascisti-Conservative Coalition) [2]
1936-1937: Stafford Cripps (Labour-Conservative-Liberal Coalition) [3]
1937-1938: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative Party) [4]
1938: Fallen Government (Parliament Dissolved, Royal Party Established) [5]
1938-1940: Rotha Lintorn-Orman (Royal Party) [6]
1940: Fallen Government (United Kingdom Dissolved, Establishment of the British Witanaġemot) [7]


Brytenwalda of the Mythopoetic Witenaġemot
1942-1973: J.R.R. Tolkien (Mythopoetic Society) [8]
1973-: Christopher Tolkien (Mythopoetic Society) [9]


[1] In 1931, David Lloyd George brings about a Keynesian All Party government with the support of King George V and SIS Chief Sidney Reilly. It manages to chug along fairly well for the next couple of years, up until the death of the King in 1936...

[2] ...At which point Reilly, arch-monarchist and Conservative that he is, partners with political firebrand and ultra-royalist Rotha Lintorn-Orman (her OTL substance abuse is curtailed enough to prolong her life and make her into a legitimate political candidate) to pull off A Very British Coup in order to bring about a British Fascisti/Conservative Party Coalition government, albeit one that is primarily Tory-dominated...

[3] ...A government that is promptly opposed by Stafford Cripps, Harold Macmillan, and the young King Edward VIII. Reilly and Lintorn-Orman protested, saying that it was for the good of the King and Empire, but eventually relented. Cripps and the Labour-Conservative-Liberal Coalition steer the ship of state safely until 1937. Meanwhile, writer, poet, philologist, Great War veteran, and academic J.R.R Tolkien publishes a lecture entitled On the Mythopoetic Nature of Man. In the lecture, he outlines how the cultures of Men have crafted their own myths throughout the ages and explains that by embracing the mythopoetic practices and integrating mythological themes and archetypes into his own life, the modern man can remake himself in the mythic image of those who came before him.

[4] The Conservatives regain the majority in 1937 and Stanley Baldwin becomes Prime Minister. Despite the tumult of the Reilly-Orman Coup, British politics seem to be stabilizing once more. King Edward VIII continues to be a popular and well-liked monarch, despite his bachelor status. In the same year, Tolkien publishes another lecture, On the Virtuous Pagan and the Theory of Courage, in which he expands upon the ideas expressed in On the Mythopoetic Nature of Man, outlining what he called the Pagan Theory of Courage in which Man, identified as the "virtuous pagan", is driven to do the right thing even in the face of certain defeat without the promise of reward or salvation. Much like in On the Mythopoetic Nature of Man, he advocates for the modern man to embrace the Pagan Theory of Courage alongside mythopoetic practices for the betterment of all.

[5] In 1938, King Edward VIII proclaims his desire to marry American divorcee Wallis Simpson, to the horror of the Conservative government and the British Establishment. Unwilling to concede or abdicate the throne in favor of his brother Albert, Duke of York, the British Dominions threaten to break off from the Crown, and Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin ends up resigning in protest. Seeing an opportunity to once more gain political power, Sidney Reilly begins to meet with the King, gradually isolating him and encouraging him to exercise his royal prerogatives. Emboldened by the machinations of Reilly, Edward declares that he will go through with his marriage to Simpson. When Parliament protests, the King proceeds to dissolve Parliament, with the aid of Reilly's men and the newly-christened Royal Party of Rotha Lintorn-Orman, who he appoints as Prime Minister.

In response to these developments, Tolkien and a number of fellow academics, including C.S. Lewis, his elder brother Warren, and Charles Williams form the Mythopoetic Society, dedicated to fighting against the perceived moral decline of British society and promoting mythopoetic principles among the British populace, with Tolkien himself embarking on a speaking tour throughout Britain. Before long, groups known as Tolkien Clubs begin to form throughout Britain, their members intent on embodying the mythopoetic principles laid out in Tolkien's writings, efforts that are encouraged by Tolkien and the Mythopoetic Society.

[6] The Royal Party rules for two years, becoming increasingly dictatorial and authoritarian as the Dominions begin to break off from the Crown and the British populace starts to grow uneasy with the state of things. More and more Tolkien Clubs are formed, as membership in the Mythopoetic Society grows expeditiously. Government officials and Royal Party members become targets for assault and harassment from the so-called Mythopoets. In 1939, Tolkien publishes a manifesto, The Fellowship of the Witenaġemot, in which he proposes a new form of society, based on mythopoetic principles and named after the Anglo-Saxon political institution of the same name, led by a leader known as the Brytenwalda, an Old English word meaning "Britain-ruler".

[7] The Mythopoetic Revolution begins, as armed and organized Mythopoets rise up and begin slaughtering government officials and Royal Party members alike. Tired of the dictatorial rule of the Royal Party, the British population joins in the revolution, spurred on by the speeches of Tolkien and other leaders of the Mythopoetic Society. Those members of the British establishment who didn't flee the chaos and bloodshed of the revolution and weren't already involved quickly joined the revolutionaries, hoping to escape retribution as the Mythopoets began to win victory after victory. After two years of bloody conflict, the Mythopoets emerged victorious as the Royal family fled abroad, with King Edward and his wife fleeing to Germany, the Duke of York escaping to Canada, the Duke of Gloucester seeking asylum in the newly-consolidated Australasia, and the Duke of Kent finding himself in distant South Africa. The architects of the defeated royal government, Reilly and Lintorn-Orman, are quickly found and executed, the former being beaten to death by enraged Mythopoets and the latter being beheaded in Trafalgar Square. The United Kingdom was no more and in its place, the British Witanaġemot rose like a phoenix from the ashes of revolution.

[8] As the British Witanaġemot took its first breaths as an independent nation, the Mythopoets led by Brytenwalda Tolkien set about rebuilding a war-torn nation along mythopoetic lines. In the decades to come, the Witanaġemot recovered from the revolution, with the Brytenwalda and the Mythopoetic Society governing first from 10 Downing Street, before relocating to Central London and the rebuilt Crystal Palace (rechristened as the Mythopoetic Palace) in 1945. As the new society flourished and the nation became reinvigorated over time, the Witanaġemot grew in power and prosperity too, as the Mythopoetic Military built itself into a formidable force. After a brief Continental War waged against the German Reich alongside the Italians and the Free French of North Africa in the late 50s and early 60s, during which the exiled King Edward was executed with his debauched wife Wallis Simpson, the Witanaġemot had proven itself as a European power, albeit an isolated one. After the Continental War, Brytenwalda Tolkien oversaw the reconquest of both North Ireland and Ireland proper to unite the British Archipelago, and afterwards...stopped. Gone were the days of British colonialism, of imperial ambitions, of the subjugation of native peoples in the guise of "civilization". Now, was a time for peace and prosperity, not war and plunder. Britain would finally know the peace that the Mythopoets sought to forge in their quest for the greater good. The architect of this new age of peace, Brytenwalda Tolkien, died in 1973 of a bleeding ulcer and chest infection, and his son Christopher was voted in by the Mythopoetic Society as the second Brytenwalda.

Elsewhere, the House of Windsor stagnated and faded from relevance as the years went by and the march of history passed them by. The former Duke of York settled into life with his family in Canada, content with being a private citizen rather than a monarch. His brother, the Duke of Gloucester, became Governor-General of Australasia, a position that he was eventually able to leverage into the creation of a new monarchy, that of the Kingdom of Australasia. Finally, the Duke of Kent took a ceremonial position as monarch of South Africa and proceeded to take full advantage to live a life of debauchery before dying of an overdose in 1943.

[9] The new Brytenwalda, Christopher Tolkien has been thus far content to continue his father's policies of peace and prosperity, well aware of the price that was paid in blood to establish the Witanaġemot during his father's rule. Whether that will continue for the foreseeable future is yet to be seen, though international observers are optimistic. The one thing everyone is certain of, however, is that the mythopoetic society established by the first Brytenwalda will continue to exist long after his death and well into the 21st century.
 
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