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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

Okay, that’s a great deal more interesting than your standard “it’s 1989 and LaRouche is President” scenario. Also makes more sense for him to be a gray eminence than any sort of actual campaigning frontline politician.
Apropos of nothing, but when did people start over-translating éminence grise? I've seen it a couple of times before, but only from French speakers who don't realise the term was imported into English without translation.
 
i dont know if this is even constitutionally allowed

but it was fun

2009-2017: Barack Obama (Democratic)
2008 (with Joe Biden) def. John McCain (Republican)
2012 (with Joe Biden) def. Mitt Romney (Republican)

2017-2019: Donald Trump (Republican)
2016 (with Mike Pence) def. Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2019-2021: Mike Pence (Republican)
2021-2025: Beto O'Rourke (Democratic)
2020 (with Joe Biden) def. Mike Pence (Republican)
2025-2029: Mitt Romney (National Unity)
2024 (with Joe Biden) def. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democratic Socialist), Steve King (Republican)
2029-2033: Lee Carter (Democratic Socialist)
2028 (with Joe Biden) def. Mitt Romney (National Unity), Alex Jones (Alternative For America)
2033-2037: Lee Carter (United Front)
2032 (with Joe Biden) def. Richard Spencer (National Alternative)

Trump is impeached in the spring of 2019, and Pence is the last gasp of a united Republican party before it goes off the rails entirely. With Democratic victory tied on before 2020 has even begun, a contentious primary campaign ensues which ultimately aligns around the 'Unity Ticket' of Beto O'Rourke and Joe Biden. O'Rourke proves to be a disappointment to the increasingly radical progressive generation who saw in him their hopes and dreams and he is primaried in 2024, in a result that ultimately splits the Democratic Party. Steve King's nomination sees the Republicans slide into white nationalism, and the moderates of both big parties coalesce behind the Romney/Biden National Unity ticket.

Exhaustion and frustration at the same way of doing things leads to a hung electoral college in 2028, as the Republicans vanish off the map entirely, displaced by the nakedly alt-right and conspiracist Alternative for America. Lee Carter wins in the DSA majority House but Biden is able to triumph in the Senate, leading to an uncomfortable 'cohabitation in the White House.

America further polarises into the 2030s, with National Unity fragmenting and AFA absorbing other hard-right elementsy. Carter and Biden set aside their differences in the face of the fascist threat and the world breathes a sigh of relief as their United Front wins with ease against the National Alternative.

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it took me way too long to make this work
 
Apropos of nothing, but when did people start over-translating éminence grise? I've seen it a couple of times before, but only from French speakers who don't realise the term was imported into English without translation.
I’ve literally seen “grey eminence” more often than “éminence grise” for my entire life, though I do see the latter fairly often, too, so I assume this is one of those American English versus British English things.
 
I’ve literally seen “grey eminence” more often than “éminence grise” for my entire life, though I do see the latter fairly often, too, so I assume this is one of those American English versus British English things.
Really? Huh.

It doesn't seem like the sort of thing that could happen organically in English, because 'eminence' doesn't really mean what the French are using it to mean here in English.
 
Apropos of nothing, but when did people start over-translating éminence grise? I've seen it a couple of times before, but only from French speakers who don't realise the term was imported into English without translation.
You people call it a “bureau de change”, you’re not allowed to handle French loans in any official capacity.
 
This is more of a thought experiment aimed at how an (entirely OTL) list of US presidents might be presented from the POV of a timeline where referring to politicians by their (almost omnipresent and inflated) military titles stayed at the level of mainstream it did in the Gilded Age.

List of Officers and Citizens to Hold the Highest Offices of Our Great Republic
1789-1797: General Washington (Independent) / Citizen Adams (Independent)
1797-1801: Citizen Adams (Federalist) / Citizen Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1801-1805: Citizen Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) / Colonel Burr (Democratic-Republican)
1805-1809: Citizen Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) / General Clinton (Democratic-Republican)
1809-1812: Colonel Madison (Democratic-Republican) / General Clinton† (Democratic-Republican)
1812-1813: Colonel Madison (Democratic-Republican) / vacant
1813-1814: Colonel Madison (Democratic-Republican) / Citizen Gerry† (Democratic-Republican)
1814-1817: Colonel Madison (Democratic-Republican) / vacant
1817-1825: Colonel Monroe (Democratic-Republican) / Citizen Tompkins (Democratic-Republican)
1825-1829: Citizen Adams II (Democratic-Republican) / Citizen Calhoun (Democratic-Republican)
1829-1832: General Jackson (Democratic) / Citizen Calhoun (Democratic)
1832-1833: General Jackson (Democratic) / vacant
1833-1837: General Jackson (Democratic) / Citizen Van Buren (Democratic)
1837-1841: Citizen Van Buren (Democratic) / Colonel Johnson (Democratic)
1841-1841: General Harrison† (Whig) / Captain Tyler (Whig)
1841-1841: Captain Tyler (Whig) / vacant
1841-1845: Captain Tyler (Independent) / vacant
1845-1849: Citizen Polk (Democratic) / Citizen Dallas (Democratic)
1849-1850: General Taylor† (Whig) / Major Fillmore (Whig)
1850-1853: Major Fillmore (Whig) / vacant
1853-1853: General Pierce (Democratic) / Citizen King† (Democratic)
1853-1853: General Pierce (Democratic) / vacant
1857-1861: Private Buchanan (Democratic) / Major Breckinridge (Democratic)
1861-1865: Captain Lincoln (Republican) / Major Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1865: Captain Lincoln† (Republican/National Union) / General Johnson (National Union)
1865-1868: General Johnson (National Union) / vacant
1865-1869: General Johnson (Democratic) / vacant
1869-1873: General Grant (Republican) / Citizen Colfax (Republican)
1873-1875: General Grant (Republican) / General Wilson† (Republican)
1875-1877: General Grant (Republican) / vacant
1877-1881: General Hayes (Republican) / Citizen Wheeler (Republican)
1881-1881: General Garfield† (Republican) / General Arthur (Republican)
1881-1885: General Arthur (Republican) / vacant
1885-1885: Citizen Cleveland (Democratic) / Citizen Hendricks† (Democratic)
1885-1889: Citizen Cleveland (Democratic) / vacant
1889-1893: General Harrison (Republican) / Citizen Morton (Republican)
1893-1897: Citizen Cleveland (Democratic) / Citizen Stevenson (Democratic)
1897-1899: General McKinley (Republican) / Citizen Hobart† (Republican)
1899-1901: General McKinley (Republican) / vacant
1901-1901: General McKinley (Republican) / Colonel Roosevelt (Republican)
1901-1905: Colonel Roosevelt (Republican) / vacant

I'll stop there as it would probably need a POD around that time to justify that kind of alternate historiography later.
 
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Okay, that’s a great deal more interesting than your standard “it’s 1989 and LaRouche is President” scenario. Also makes more sense for him to be a gray eminence than any sort of actual campaigning frontline politician.

LaRouche gets lucky here - Jackson has a similar big-state patriotic outlook (without the conspiratorial underpinnings of course) and a foreign policy team full of ex-socialist neocons like Kirkpatrick and Irving Kristol, so he's willing to ignore the more unusual aspects of LaRouche's background and the subtext of his writings.

The joke being, of course, that LaRouchies really are the ultimate "WI Humphrey 1968" New Deal nostalgiacs.
 
I should say on the militarised US list, it did feel as though it didn't need much of a nudge in attitudes from OTL even today - when I was going through the wiki articles, I noted that most of the presidents and veeps who weren't veterans had hasty annotations from wiki editors explaining that their dads were, or that as civilians they had been responsible for organising the state militia or increasing defence spending etc. etc. so that's alright then, they get a pass.
 
Leaders of the Liberal Party of the United Kingdom:

1931-1937: Philip Snowden
1937-1946: Winston Churchill
1946-1952: Bertrand Russell
1952-1964: Harold Macmillan
1964-1972: Michael Foot
1972-1976: Harold Wilson
1976-1986: Margaret Thatcher
1986-1992: Tony Benn
1992-1999: Michael Heseltine
1999-2007: Peter Hain
2007-2015: Alan Duncan

2015-present: Liz Truss

The only idea for a classic British politics-TLIAW I have ever had that I felt sort of could fly was an idea I had about doing one about the alternate leaders of the Liberal Party of the United Kingdom, but every name on the list is someone who either at one point were a member of the Liberal Party (like Winston Churchill), or strongly flirted with the idea of joining the party (like Harold Macmillan), or came from a family that was strongly Liberal (like both Margaret Thatcher and Michael Foot), but who fundamentally became remembered as being associated with one of the Big Two.

The idea was going to be that the Liberals still fall into their historical decline to only holding a handful of seats, and the parliamentary party can fit into a single car, but it's now these characters who are leading them. It felt cool, this idea of Marget Thatcher and Harold Wilson being engaged in a vicious, bitter factional fight over who would get to have the honour of the two of them to lead the other 9 Liberal MPs in Parliament, and Winston Churchill being this very junior minister in the War Cabinet.

Problem is, there were some gaps where I couldn't come up with sufficiently high-profile names, and then I sort of felt that, you know, this was more a thing I wanted someone else to write so I could read it than I wanted to write it myself.
 
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Leaders of the Liberal Party of the United Kingdom:

1931-1937: Philip Snowden
1937-1946: Winston Churchill
1946-1952: Bertrand Russell
1952-1964: Harold Macmillan
1964-1972: Michael Foot
1972-1976: Harold Wilson
1976-1986: Margaret Thatcher
1986-1992: Tony Benn
1992-1999: ???
1999-2007: ???
2007-2015: ???

2015-present: Liz Truss

The only idea for a classic British politics-TLIAW I have ever had that I felt sort of could fly was an idea I had about doing one about the alternate leaders of the Liberal Party of the United Kingdom, but every name on the list is someone who either at one point were a member of the Liberal Party (like Winston Churchill), or strongly flirted with the idea of joining the party (like Harold Macmillan), or came from a family that was strongly Liberal (like both Margaret Thatcher and Michael Foot), but who fundamentally became remembered as being associated with one of the Big Two.

The idea was going to be that the Liberals still fall into their historical decline to only holding a handful of seats, and the parliamentary party can fit into a single car, but it's now these characters who are leading them. It felt cool, this idea of Marget Thatcher and Harold Wilson being engaged in a vicious, bitter factional fight over who would get to have the honour of the two of them to lead the other 9 Liberal MPs in Parliament, and Winston Churchill being this very junior minister in the War Cabinet.

Problem is, there were some gaps where I couldn't come up with sufficiently high-profile names, and then I sort of felt that, you know, this was more a thing I wanted someone else to write so I could read it than I wanted to write it myself.

Heseltine after Benn?

And Clegg pre-Truss?
 
Heseltine after Benn?

I don't really feel that the National Liberals that later merged with the Tories really count (which admittedly was where he started his career), but if it's on record that he flirted with joining the Liberals proper, then he's an obvious successor to Thatcher.

And Clegg pre-Truss?

I cannot do Clegg because he is associated primarily with the Lib Dems. He would make for a good Conservative leader in this timeline, in that he was briefly a Tory at Cambridge. Ironically, Clegg would probably be the Conservative leader at the same time that Vince Cable is the Labour leader.
 
I don't really feel that the National Liberals that later merged with the Tories really count (which admittedly was where he started his career), but if it's on record that he flirted with joining the Liberals proper, then he's an obvious successor to Thatcher.
Thought he said he wanted to join the Liberals but didn't feel he could because they had no chance of winning?
 
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