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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

Great stuff,man.You’re a good writer.

Thanks.

I've slowly been losing interest in writing fiction and drifting more towards creative nonfiction like the stuff on my blog. Lists and encyclopedia-style bits like this are close enough to nonfiction that I can still bang em out, though, and I enjoy learning while I write them.
 
Thanks.

I've slowly been losing interest in writing fiction and drifting more towards creative nonfiction like the stuff on my blog. Lists and encyclopedia-style bits like this are close enough to nonfiction that I can still bang em out, though, and I enjoy learning while I write them.
Does this mean States of Excitement is cancelled?Cuz I liked that.

I respect your decision though.
 
Does this mean States of Excitement is cancelled?Cuz I liked that.

I respect your decision though.

Nah, I'll finish that eventually, I have the rest of it plotted out. I'm busy with work and grad school at the moment, though, and I'd prefer to use my writing time on projects like the blog.
 
Thanks!

It was fun reading back issues of Libertarian Forum for this - Rothbard really did call the moderates "Craniacs," and there's all sorts of ridiculous meanderings like when he wistfully recalls a young Trotskyite whose discipline he admired before the kid started dropping acid.

There really was a split over the 1984 presidential nomination, although IOTL Bergland came out on top, the party stuck to a radical-right, testimonial stance, and the Craniacs leaked out.

Great list. I apologize that I didn’t get to properly cover Rothbard’s infighting with the libertarians in the 70s, and how he spent the 80s and 90s growing into an increasingly bitter old man, more and more keen to make alliances with the nationalistic far-right, the ’rednecks’, as he called them, even trying to form links with David Duke and his merry band.

Problem was, article kept getting longer and longer, and so I decided to focus the second part on the far more enjoyable story of the crazy entryist venture into the Peace and Freedom Party.
 
Thanks, I'll probably leave it at Russia for the moment but I might do an Italy list in the future. Lots of potential for rekindling my old passion of doing lists where societies transform into transhumanist nightmares.

My own general vague view is the USA is generally more left wing then OTL, never having experienced either Red Scare, and is generally kinder to minorities of various kind.

Ireland ended up remaining in the UK in a kind of general home rule all around situation, but separatist nationalism is still a thing. Generally economically better off as well, but there's actually a growing republican movement with Ireland remaining, and the Royal Family isn't quite the popular institution it is in OTL.

Germany is bigger than OTL, and more powerful. It's also more assertive, but has a more powerful right wing with Worrying views. Still a democracy, but one where politicians say things like Trump says, but about the Jews, Poles, Czechs and Sorbs, but nastier.

Italian futurist transhumanist nightmare is something I'm quite creatively proud of, albeit morally repelled by.
 
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Holy Roman Emperors Since the Reformation

Maximilian I (Habsburg): 1493-1519
Charles V (Habsburg): 1519-1556
Ferdinand I (Habsburg): 1556-1564
Maximilian II (Habsburg): 1564-1576
Rudolph II (Habsburg): 1576-1612
Matthias (Habsburg): 1612-1619
John George (Wettin): 1620-1656[1]
Maximilian II (Wittelsbach-Bayern): 1656-1691[2]
Frederick IV (Wittelsbach-Böhmen): 1691-1733[3]
Charles VII (Savoy): 1733-1769[4]
Frederick V (Wittelsbach-Böhmen): 1769-????[5]

[1] The sudden death of Archduke Ferdinand III of Austria in 1619 at the height of the Bohemian Revolt threw what had been almost a mere formality into confusion. While the eventual compromise that Bohemia and the Palatinate would be united under Frederick V, Bavaria given an Electoral title and John George of Saxony crowned Emperor would resolve the immediate issues, the next 36 years would see a series of minor conflicts and disputes as the ongoing unresolved issues of the Peace of Augsburg continued to crop up. Most notable of these was when Wolfgang Wilhelm of Pfalz-Neuburg, having already switched from Lutheranism to Catholicism to marry Magdalene of Bavaria, converted once again to Calvinism in 1630 to marry Elisabeth of Bohemia, daughter of Frederick I and V.

[2] Maximilian I of Bavaria may have been succesful in the field of politics, but less so in his personal life with Elisabeth Renata proving to be unable to give him children. As such, it was his nephew Maximilian Heinrich, hastily pulled from the Church and married off to his cousin Maria Anna of Austria, who would succeed to the Electorate and end up being elected Emperor as a return to the 'natural state' of a Catholic ruler.

It was just a shame that he would prove to be completely unsuitable for the position, attemptig to enforce absolutism on an elected position and being overeager in his attempts to enforce the Counter-Reformation. This would have been managable, were it not for the Austrian Succession crisis following on from the deaths of both Archduke Ferdinand V and his brother Leopold from an outbreak of Smallpox in 1672. Despite the surviving male line of the Tyrolean Habsburgs, Maximilian pressed his own claim based on right by marriage and then proceded to award Inner Austria to himself and start imposing the Counter-Reformatory measures which the Habsburgs had not on the still largely Lutheran population. The ensuing war would consume almost the whole of the rest of his reign, outlasting the Tyroleans themselves and eventually culminating in the Peace of Bamberg which finally enforced religious toleration in the Empire as well as curtailing the powers of the Emperor. While Maximilian would succeed in securing Inner Austria for Bavaria, Tyrol and Further Austria would end up going to the Duke of Mantua, save for those parts annexed by the French.

[3] Frederick VII and III, less millenarian than his grandfather, less bound by a need to stabilise the realm than his father, was the first of the Bohemia-Palatinate monarchs to truely have a chance at the Imperial Crown. And in a time when the threat of France was ever greater, it was a strong Emperor that was needed rather than a Catholic one.

War was to define his time in office, as first the Mantuan succession, and then the Spanish succession burst into conflict. By the time the dust had settled, France had annexed the Free County of Burgundy and Luxembourg, the Dutch had the rest of the formerly Spanish Netherlands and the Dukes of Savoy had acquired Tyrol, further Austria, Milan, Mantua and Sicily. True Naples, Sardinia and Spain itself were now under a Bourbon, and both the Dutch and the Swiss were definitively recognised as independent, but it was still quite the win for the Empire.

[4] While Lutherans and Calvinists might have made it to the top, the Empire was a Catholic institution at heart, and the election of Charles Emmanuel III of Savoy seemed to confirm that the position would now alternate between Catholic and Protestant faiths. If is predecessor had reigned over a period of war, Charles Emmanuel's reign was one of Guarded Peace, especially after France allied with Brandenburg. It would be fair to say that the lack of a trigger for war was the only reason why war didn't occur. Which was more than could be said for his successor:

[5] The return of the Imperial title to the Bohemian Wittelsbachs was more controversial than it probably should have been for one simple reason: The imminent extinction of their Bavarian cousins. While inheriting Pfalz-Neuburg in 1759 was a relatively minor concern, the prospect of the premier Calvinist power inheriting one of the two great Catholic powers was giving all of Europe cause for concern, especially considering that the King of France was married to current Elector of Bavaria's sister. The long awaited trigger for yet another European war appears to be drawing near, and a half-century of peace means many are itching for conflict.

But perhaps something else might just intervene. Storm clouds gather on the horizon, rebellion flares in the English, French and Spanish colonies, the ideas of the enlightenment are building apace and the question is whether it is absolutism on the Franco-Bavarian-Savoyard model, or the existing Estates and Parliaments of the more limited monarchies like Bohemia and England that will be better equipped to handle the changing times.
 
Great list. I apologize that I didn’t get to properly cover Rothbard’s infighting with the libertarians in the 70s, and how he spent the 80s and 90s growing into an increasingly bitter old man, more and more keen to make alliances with the nationalistic far-right, the ’rednecks’, as he called them, even trying to form links with David Duke and his merry band.

Problem was, article kept getting longer and longer, and so I decided to focus the second part on the far more enjoyable story of the crazy entryist venture into the Peace and Freedom Party.

Nah, I get it - it's hard to keep to a word count, and there's enough there to fill a book. (Is there a book about Rothbard that isn't a hagiography? Hmmm...)
 
Nah, I get it - it's hard to keep to a word count, and there's enough there to fill a book. (Is there a book about Rothbard that isn't a hagiography? Hmmm...)

Justin Raimondo's Enemy of the State appears to be quite a hagiography, as Raimondo falls in the paleo-libertarian camp.

Radicals for Capitalism by Brian Doherty is probably your best bet if you want a well-rounded biography. Doherty is a senior editor at Reason Magazine, and so falls in the Penn Jillette camp of libertarians whom you can sit down with and have a friendly conversation with. Of course, that book touches upon many more important figures in the libertarian movement.

Interestingly, Gerard Casey, a Professor Emeritus at University College Dublin, who was leader of the Christian Solidarity Party in Ireland in the early 90s (whose ideology, I understand, was just very much strongly Catholic social teachings), wrote a biography of the man back in 2010. It's just called Murray Rothbard.
 
Just to clarify @The Red this is taking more from the revised version then the original version, if I'm reading what you wrote correctly.

EDIT: It is, and if anyone wants to PM me I own work in the writers forum section that I can't access, I'd be very grateful.
 
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Just to clarify @The Red this is taking more from the revised version then the original version, if I'm reading what you wrote correctly.

EDIT: It is, and if anyone wants to PM me I own work in the writers forum section that I can't access, I'd be very grateful.

That's correct, hence the protagonist maybe or maybe not having a relation who was Prime Minister of the USEF. I linked to the original but as you say not everyone is going to be able to view the revised edition, and I like both even if the latter is a bit more concise.
 
That's correct, hence the protagonist maybe or maybe not having a relation who was Prime Minister of the USEF. I linked to the original but as you say not everyone is going to be able to view the revised edition, and I like both even if the latter is a bit more concise.

I did envisage Turkey, Poland, Armenia and some other places becoming independent of the collapse of the USSR into the UESF, as you've framed it as.

It is a bit annoying being unable to read my own work tbh.
 
I did envisage Turkey, Poland, Armenia and some other places becoming independent of the collapse of the USSR into the UESF, as you've framed it as.

I imagined that would be the case so sort of left things open, I didn’t want to leave out the chance of republics breaking away but also wanted to leave the option open for those who might clamour for independence being willing to give the USEF the benefit of the doubt, at least until independence becomes more viable.

Knowing what the Soviet leadership was capable of but also being aware of the fact the world hasn’t ended ITTL implied to me there was a more ordered dissolution of the Soviet Union ITTL and a resulting period of relative calm before the Tsarist takeover.

It is a bit annoying being unable to read my own work tbh.

I could PM it to you tonight?
 
I imagined that would be the case so sort of left things open, I didn’t want to leave out the chance of republics breaking away but also wanted to leave the option open for those who might clamour for independence being willing to give the USEF the benefit of the doubt, at least until independence becomes more viable.

Knowing what the Soviet leadership was capable of but also being aware of the fact the world hasn’t ended ITTL implied to me there was a more ordered dissolution of the Soviet Union ITTL and a resulting period of relative calm before the Tsarist takeover.



I could PM it to you tonight?

That's more thought then I put into it, I was just trying to do a cool story :) .

Please do.
 
People Recognised as Head of State by the City of San Francisco

2017-2021: Donald Trump (Republican), as President of the United States
2016 (with Mike Pence) def. Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2021-2021: Mike Pence (Republican), as Acting President of the United States
2020 (disputed); Pete Buttigieg / Rashida Tlaib (Democratic) v Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
2021-2021: Pete Buttigieg (Democratic), as President of the United States
2020 (with Rashida Tlaib) def. Donald Trump (Republican)
2021-2022: Rashida Tlaib (Democratic), as President of the United States
2022-2022: Nancy Pelosi (Democratic), as President of the United States
2022-2023: Disputed between the City and County of San Francisco and the San Francisco Autonomous Zone
2023-0000: Brace Belden (Democratic Socialists of America), as Nominated Convenor of the San Francisco Autonomous Zone

Buttigieg narrowly wins the Democratic nomination but as a relative unknown nationally, he doesn't really get the momentum up and 2020 is a dead heat in the electoral college. The wildly disproportional Senate easily renominates Mike Pence for President, but its more complicated in the House. The requirement for state delegations to settle on a nomination leads to a deadlock, meaning that by January 2021, Pence is inaugurated as Acting President of the United States. While technically the House continues to grimly slog it out, most have reconciled themselves to at least two years of President Pence until a Second Blue Wave gives the Democrats the numbers to put Buttigieg in the White House. The national mood remains unpleasant thanks in part to Trump's Mock Oval Office in Trump Tower and is continued close relationship with Pence.

Then the economic goes haywire in February 2021. Unemployment soars, and protests flood American cities. A Second Occupy Movement emerges to organise this outburst in anger, forming tent cities in parks and public squares, and most notably picketing Trump Tower. These protests in turn attract counter-protestors from the alt-right. And in Portland, Oregon a clash between protestors lead to deaths on both sides. The police intervene, but too late. No-one for sure knows what started the fighting, but battle lines have been drawn. Militias in the depressed heartland rise up, overwhelming the under-resourced constabulary. The 'Free State of Jefferson' cuts off water to the rest of California, while food shipments are raided by militias.

The San Francisco City Government formally recognises Buttigieg as President, but he is nowhere to be found. It is assumed that he was detained by the Pence government as violence spread across the country. In his absence, they turn to Rashida Tlaib but she too has been arrested - for sedition. Nancy Pelosi, a California Congresswoman has managed to flee to her home state, and as Speaker is acknowledged as President. The country teeters on the brink of open civil war.

Except all are not happy in San Francisco. Pelosi opens up talks with Pence, a figure of hate for the Occupy movement. They declare a San Francisco Autonomous Zone, joining similar moves by the Occupiers in Portland, Seattle, New York, Los Angeles and others. The police are sent in to try and bring an end to the Occupy Movement but they are divided against themselves as certain officers object to heavy handed tactics. Over the course of the following year, an overstretched and half-starved California State Government withdraw from San Francisco. The Autonomous Zone does not see fit to acknowledge a President of the United States, settling with broadcasting the legitimacy of their Nominated Convenor to the world.
 
Doing an SDP analogue in NZ is quite difficult due to the fact that our Labour Party was already the SDP, so this is the best you're going to get.

List of Leaders of the Democratic Labour Party
1981-1982: Gang of Four (Gerald O’Brien, John Kirk, Brian MacDonnell, Mel Courtney)
1982-1984: Gerald O’Brien
1984-1987: John Kirk
1987-1988: Richard Prebble

In 1981, Bill Rowling lost his third consecutive general election as leader of the Labour Party. Under his visionless leadership, Labour had become home to liberals who knew nothing of economic policy, exercised more by anti-nuclear and feminist stances than by bread-and-butter issues. This gave rise to tensions that would erupt shortly afterwards into open fission.

The old guard of Catholics and workerists were deeply unhappy with the prominence of MPs and activists who wanted nothing less than the legalisation of things like abortion and homosexuality. They didn’t have much of an ideological quarrel with Rowling, who was very moderate, but they worried that the balance of power within the Party was moving in the direction of the extremists. Rowling did nothing to stem the tide, but he also refused to resign as Leader and bring the issue to a head. In frustration, group of relatively prominent rebels issued the ‘Grey Lynn Declaration’ and announced the formation of a new political party.

The main figure in the Gang of Four was Gerald O’Brien, a former MP and associate of Norman Kirk who had a sympathetic relationship with the existing third party, Social Credit, and was also the subject of whispered rumours of homosexual activity. However, there were others: John Kirk was a sitting MP for a Defence Force seat and had not yet divested himself of his good looks; Brian MacDonnell was a former Minister; and Mel Courtney also existed. These four were joined by several other sitting Labour MPs, including Geoff Braybrooke, Basil Arthur and Gerald Wall. There was even a National defector, Dail Jones, although nobody had ever heard of him.

The Democratic Labour Party (as it was called, in reference to the Australian party of the same name which also served socially conservative Catholics who traditionally supported Labour) leaped ahead in the polls and effectively ended Rowling’s leadership – however, he was replaced by David Lange, exactly the sort of person the DLP defectors hadn’t wanted to serve under. The new party formed a national organisation and elected Gerald O’Brien as leader over John Kirk – the vote was mostly fought on the issue of the DLP’s relation to Social Credit.

Unbeknownst to the membership at large, Bruce Beetham of Social Credit (also fighting an internal battle on abortion) had invited O’Brien to join the Socreds and lead them into the next election, but O’Brien aimed to carry more of the socially conservative Labour vote over with him in order to change the balance in Social Credit and perhaps also to break the mould of NZ politics. Hence his participation in the Gang of Four. John Kirk, meanwhile, distrusted the Social Credit Party, with its canny electioneering tactics and its confused political positions, and wanted the DLP to maintain a separate identity in any Alliance that could be formed. The victory of O’Brien, therefore, set the tone for the next few years of DLP-Socred relations.

As predicted, the two third parties formed an Alliance and fought the 1984 election together. Lange’s Labour failed to set the pace and Lange himself was written off as a joke, but he remained ahead in both the popular vote and (by far) in the seat counts, maintaining Labour as the Official Opposition. However, with the aid of a stalwart performance in a foreign policy crisis sparked by France reopening nuclear testing sites in the South Pacific, Prime Minister Muldoon rode a patriotic wave to an overall majority. But the day after election night, it was revealed that the NZ Dollar was in a critical state and needed to be devalued. Muldoon was pushed out quickly by Derek Quigley, a long-term free-marketeer critic of his economic policies, who stabilised the situation.

Quigley went on to drastically restructure the New Zealand economy, cutting taxes, privatising state assets and selling off state homes – a necessary bribe with which to tempt an electorate suffering from grievous unemployment. The forestry workers’ strike raged on for a year, but the public became increasingly hacked off with the militant trade union leaders and the timber mills were eventually closed. Entire towns lost their sole employer overnight. It was a harsh time, only made tolerable by a stock market boom which itself turned sour in 1987. And opposition to Quigleyism was of a poor standard: Labour messed around with talk of legalising homosexuality, while the Alliance response to the new situation was deeply confused.

Beetham was happy to condemn the changes and call for a return to the 1970s, leavened with a bit more fairness and an expansionary monetary policy, and so was Gerald O’Brien. But O’Brien was no longer DLP leader, having resigned as a scapegoat for their poor electoral performance within the FPP system. John Kirk replaced him, and was keener to stake out a separate platform for the DLP. He became a critical friend of the Quigleyites, praising their aspirational approach to state house sell-offs, yet also calling for Distributism and greater worker participation on the German Social Market model – which itself was inspired by Catholic social teaching. Left-wing critics said they didn’t see the value in involving the workers in decisions if the only topic on the agenda was which of them would be made redundant that week.

Kirk’s attempts to save the DLP from submersion into Social Credit were too little, too late. Barring a victory in the Timaru by-election of 1985, there was nothing to keep the momentum going, and the O’Brienites in the party moved to put a merger forward. Kirk’s faction failed to prevent inter-party talks from being set in motion by Conference, and he therefore resigned as leader, replaced by a younger MP, Richard Prebble. Kirk hoped that Prebble, hitherto aligned with the Kirkites, would hold the Socreds to a good deal, but the merger and the combined manifesto were widely regarded as dire embarrassments.

The parties combined in 1988, initially as the Labour and Credit Democrats (or, colloquially, ‘Le CiD’), but when that proved too unwieldy, they simplified it to The Democrats. Beetham and Prebble led it together at first, but Beetham was long past his best and Prebble was useless, so they were replaced very quickly by Terry Heffernan. Meanwhile, John Kirk and a few of his allies started a Continuity Democratic Labour Party, but they all lost their seats in 1990 and the party sank without a trace.

The Democrats still exist today, and have even participated in a coalition government, but the true legacy of the Democratic Labour Party was surely to be felt in the Labour Party itself: in 1996, Labour finally returned to office after two decades under the socially conservative and economically neoliberal Phil Goff. He governed essentially as the DLP would have done, and Labour has only dared return to the liberal, environmentalist and intersectionalist ideas of the early 80s in recent years, with the election of their ludicrous new leader, Helen Clark.

(As a side note, the Liberals in the UK gradually died after a very successful time in the 70s, and the main third parties in the 90s were an Alliance consisting of surviving Liberals, lefties and Greens on the one hand, and the populist Anti-Federalists on the other. Also they use MMP now, fuck you.)
 
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