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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State


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1968: George Romney Republican Spiro Agnew
Hubert Humphrey Democratic Edmund Muskie
George Wallace American Independent Curtis Lemay
Edmund Muskie Democratic Terry Sanford
1976: Edmund Muskie Democratic Terry Sanford
Def: Charles Percy Republican Robert Taft j.r

Richard Nixon stays in retirement.
Romney wins 1968.president Romney gets blame for the fall of south Veitnam as u.s. troops leaves the region.
Prc is never recognized.

President Muskie gets rehab job program for returning Veitam vets. Alternative energy act of 1977 passed by congress.


Dennis Skinner's molotov
Llareggub, Wales
I finally wrote something properly optimistic

Presidents of the United States
2021-2029: Joe Biden/Kamala Harris[1]

def. Donald Trump/Mike Pence
Ron DeSantis/Daniel Cameron
2029-2033: Erin Stewart/Julia Letlow

def. Kamala Harris/Gretchen Whitmer[2]
2033-2041: Chokwe Antar Lumumba[3]/India Walton

def. Erin Stewart/Julia Letlow
def. Josh Hawley/Torren Ecker, Ricky Dale Harrington Jr./Elinor Swanson[2]
2041-2049: Francis X. Suarez[4]/Dusty Johnson
def. Andrew Yang/Ruben Gallego
Carlos Ramirez-Rosa/Park Cannon
2049-2053: Javon Price/Mallerie Stromswold

def. Jennifer Foy/Geo Saba
2053-present: Mauree Turner[5]/Ugo Okere
def. Javon Price/Mallerie Stromswold

[1] Despite his many, many, many flaws, Biden winning the presidency was a blessing in disguise for the socialist movement. Bernie was free to use his position as Senate Finance Chairman to force through or sit on any legislation with near-anonymity, bending the often listless Biden administration to many positions from his own posthumous campaign. Minimum wage was raised, labor powers were expanded, billionaires were even taxed more - but only after the President got a second term.

[2] '28 was an exciting year for radlibs, since both tickets were all-female, purely by coincidence, allowing compassionate conservatism to win out over Biden-era stagflation with little hubub. In a first, a Republican administration put forward pragmatic and bipartisan policies, taking great lengths to combat homelessness and climate-change. Stewart is often credited by Daily Show Democrats with putting the GOP "on the right track", despite a small relapse following her jarring loss in the early thirties. Hawley won that with his Apple-Pie Populism, but was siphoned by Harrington's third party candidacy.

[3] The younger Lumumbada started off as a southern Obama-lite but became more and more radical as the thirties dawned. In the first hour of his presidency, executive orders for a 10% value-added tax on business transactions, a 0.1% tax on financial transactions, a 2% tax on every dollar of net worth above $50 million, and $40/ton carbon tax were signed with a blue ballpoint pen and put into effect the next day. Minority leader Bassaro, trying his best to emulate the late McConnell, lead walkouts in order to further stonewall vacant SCOTUS seats, only for the Prez to use the Constitutional Appointments Clause to confirm judges Kruger, Gupta, Koh, Jackson and Twitty. Any petty terminations Amazon committed to try and call Lumumbada's bluff resulted in stronger, more aggressive Unions. By the end of his second term, monopolies that gripped the global industry were on the verge of collapse.

[4] The American Overton window had now been firmly shoved to a further left. President X, as they called him, made combating climate change his #1 priority in his first 100 days - a fitting caveat, considering how his home state of Florida had become the new, trashier Venice. Oil rig workers were recalled to the mainland in their millions and given new jobs as windmill farm maintenance. Disenfranchised assembly workers suddenly found the jobs at the plant had returned, tho now they'd be putting together EVs instead. New York City quickly found its skyline dotted with towering vertical farms that employed hundreds of Liberal Arts students. Fun fact: only 21,250 square miles of solar panels are needed to power the entire continental United States, and that's exactly how many American businesses made with government grants, payed for by corporations and multinationals being grabbed by the neck and forced into paying absent tax revenue.

[5] The current president, an Enby Oklahoman who usually wears a hijab the same shade of blue as their John Lennon glasses, sits at the head of a rather calm collection of 52 States. Commonsense legislative reform has allowed for the passage of the NPVIC, allowing the Electoral College to be shuttered and congress to erupt into a calliope of new parties. Soldiers haven't been sent overseas in decades, and police exist only as municipal Civilian Defence Forces. The massive network of solar panels, wind turbines, hydroelectric ocean engines and algae blooms has left America energy independent and net carbon neutral. Employees even own small shares in the industries they work for. The real issue for them to face is a social one, as old-world racism and sexism still exist in small pockets. But they all have time for it now, especially since their social war is against class struggle as a whole.
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I got this idea last night, and kinda had to do this list as a baseline. I will 100% develop it, but I kinda just wanted to put it out there. So the PoD is that Ike is more decisive when Nixon gets caught in the fund scandal. Ike decides to dumb him and replace him with Lodge Jr. on the ticket. This results in worse coattails for the GOP, and the butterflies flap from there.

1953-1961 General Dwight Eisenhower (R-KS)/Senator Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA) (replacing Richard M. Nixon (R-CA))
1961-1969 Senate Majority Whip Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/Senator Stuart Symington (D-MO)
1969-1977 Senator/Fmr. Gov. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ)/Senator George Romney (R-MI)
1977-1985 Senator Fred Harris (D-OK)/Senator Vance Hartke (D-IN)
1985-1993 Senator James Buckley (R-NY)/Gov. Jack Eckerd (R-FL)
1993-2001 Gov. Gar Alperovitz (D-OH)/Senator Lester C. Hunt Jr (D-WY)
2001-2005 Senator Lester C. Hunt Jr (D-WY)/Gov. Nick Theodore (D-SC)
2005-2013 Fmr. Gov Richard Viguerie (R-VA)/Speaker of the House Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL)
2013-2021 Senator Les AuCoin (D-OR)/Mike Hatch (D-MN)
2021-present Fmr. Gov./Senator Bill Weld (R-MA)/Gov. Steve Scalise (R-LA)
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this is posted right after you posted the nice American future history in your thread and i just got the image that whenever you try to do a nice future history you wake up ten days later in a ditch somewhere with a page long dissertation on climate change and a new tl where the world has broken

this is excellent btw, wish i had your creativity
writeup in-progress
Oh no


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1964 William Scranton Republican William Fong
Def: John Fritzgerald Kennedy Democratic Lyndon Baines Johnson

1964 William Scranton Republican William Fong
Def: Henry Jackson Democratic Terry Sanford

1968: George Wallace American Independent Curtis Lemay

Def: Hubert Humphrey Democratic Edmund Muskie
Def: Nelson Rockefeller Republican Robert Taft j.r

Oswald killed general Walker
Kennedy is caught in a sex scandal.

President Scranton pass s civil rights.
President Wallace bombs Hanoi .


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Jameson, Leander Star: Associate of Cecil Rhodes, 2nd Chief Magistrate of Southern Rhodesia & Administrator General for Matabeleland. Implicated in 'December Plot' to invade ZAR on behalf of Johannesburg Reform Committee. Backed down in unclear circumstances, but movement of troops to the border made Southern Rhodesia vulnerable, leading to the Second Matabele War and Jameson's death. See Rhodes, Cecil; Zambezi Genocide...

South African National Biographical Dictionary,

Presidents of the South African Republic

Paul Kruger: 1883-1897

Piet Joubert: 1897

Francis Reitz: 1897-1898

Joseph Robinson: 1898-1900

John Hays Hammond: 1900-1902

Samuel Marks: 1902-1906

Presidents of the United Republics of South Africa

William Schreiner: 1908-?

Paul Kruger's long reign became more and more unstable in the 1890s. As the republic boomed, the rule of a small rural minority over a commodities-based, rapidly urbanising society became increasingly untenable. In early 1896, Kruger moved against the Johannesburg Reform Committee for allegedly plotting a revolution on behalf of the Uitlanders; the trial was a disaster, and the defendants were acquitted among heavy international condemnation of Kruger's government. In 1897, after the Volksrad blocked one of his proposals, he threatened to resign; to general astonishment the new member of the house, Louis Botha, immediately moved to accept it. To Kruger's dismay, the conservatives refused to fight for him, believing it was time for younger and more energetic leadership.

Piet Joubert, Kruger's vice president, held the Presidency for three months. Recognising that concessions had to be made to the Uitlanders before the ZAR lost control of Johannesburg, he proposed the 'Joubert Compromise' that would have progressively enfranchised non-Boer whites. The volksrad refused to countenance it; a special election was called and the Boer nationalist Francis Reitz was elected.

Reitz- who had been President of the Orange Free State until 1895 before moving to Pretoria- embarked upon an aggressive program of administrative modernisation and pan-Dutch nationalism. A defender of ZAR sovereignty, he abandoned the Joubert compromise. Though willing to tolerate some Uitlander enfranchisement, his proposals would have penalised the use of English in government and private life. This was unworkable. In 1898, the Reform Committee seized Johannesburg, and a force of Uitlanders was raised to march upon Pretoria.

Faced with a choice between immediate reform, or a civil war which would doubtless lead to an invasion by the British, Reitz folded. A new election was held with full Uitlander enfranchisement.

Joseph Robinson was elected as a compromise candidate: Cape British, but a veteran of the Free State's militia in the Basuto War. A Randlord, but uninvolved with the Reform Committee. He governed, somewhat unenthusiastically, for two years. To general surprise, the Boer settlers were largely left in peace- Robinson continued Kruger's policy of acting as an independent state without formally claiming sovereignty. By 1900, tensions were beginning to calm.

Then the Rhodes Brothers, still stepped in Matabele blood, launched their coup attempt. It successfully brought down a government; unfortunately the government in question was in Capetown. To the horror of the brothers, the Randlords had no interest in overthrowing the Republic now they had a stake in it; nor were British Uitlanders unduly bothered at the absence of the Crown. Robinson was taken hostage by the rebels, and somehow slain in the government's rescue attempt. Frank Rhodes was hanged in Pretoria, and Cecil Rhodes died in mysterious circumstances in his London exile; his last act had apparently been to burn his private correspondence.

Joseph Chamberlain did not attend the funeral.

The American John Hays Hammond was another compromise leader: an Uitlander but an American, without worrying links of loyalty to the British crown. He had previously been employed by Rhodes, but in the aftermath of the coup rather ruthlessly moved that the ZAR government seize and break up the DeBeers group- with generous allocations to patriots who had put down the rebellion. Having thus bought off the wavering Boer leadership, Hammond retired to the United States in 1902. His presidency is thus often described as one careful scheme to move his money safely out of the country.

Samuel Marks should not have been successful; a Jew in a country of militant protestants, a Lithuanian surrounded by Dutch and British, he nonetheless had a tremendous gift of charm. He built a mixed cabinet; young Boer leaders like Louis Botha and Jan Smuts served alongside Randlords like Lionel Phillips and Max Michaelis. In 1906, the crisis that had been building for a decade finally broke when Natal went bankrupt. The colony's finances were almost entirely dependent upon the customs revenue from goods moving from the ZAR to Durban; once the Transvaal had completed a rail link with Portuguese Delagoa Bay, Natal had been in a mounting spiral of debt. Desperate to recover, the Colony's parliament moved to hold a public vote on joining the ZAR. The bill was immediately vetoed by the Governor, but the Campbell-Bannerman government in London was now faced with the prospect of fighting a war to put down a British democracy. Conscious of the disastrous effect this would have upon relations with the Dominions and the United States, the British instead offered a referendum in both the Cape and Natal. Voters would be offered a choice between consolidation into a single Dominion, continued autonomy, or accession to the ZAR. The plan to split the vote failed; Cape and Natalese Afrikaners overwhelmingly voted for unity, and even most British South Africans recognised that the laws of economic gravity bound them to Pretoria.

In 1908, William Schreiner became the first President of a United South Africa. It would not be an easy government....
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Yes. I don't think it was a likely outcome, but I was struck, rereading my material on the South African War, how much of the build-up was motivated by the British fear that they were losing ground.

It's an interesting theme in history: powerful states who become convinced of their own weakness, and therefore prove it. Both the USA and USSR at different times in the Cold War, for instance....


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George Wallace American Independent Curtis lemay


Hubert Horatio Humphrey. Democratic Ed Muskie
Ronald Wilson Reagan. Republican Charles Percy
Ed muskie Democratic James Earl Carter
During the presidency of George Wallace
Russia and China have a limited exchange nuclear war. Both country s split into separate nations.
After president Wallace bombs Hanoi with a nuclear weapon
Refugees flee from Veitnam to Cambodia.
In1972 president wallace loses to Humphrey
President humphrey is unable to control the great recession of 1973 but does end the Veitnam war.
President Reagan faces oil shortage. Iran is nuclear bombed into the stone age
Reagan loses to ed Muskie in a landslide .
In the 1980s there is a successful movement to ban nuclear weapons.by 1988 earth is devoid of such weapons.


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I thought about putting this into the Golden Age thing for the HoS list challenge, as a kind of flipping the concept on its head thing.

Unprepared: The Myth Of The American Century

1929-1935: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1928 (with Charles Curtis) def. Al Smith (Democratic)
1932 (with Charles Curtis) def. William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic)

1935-1936: Douglas MacArthur (Nonpartisan / War Government)
1936-1937: Charles Francis Adams III (Nonpartisan / Caretaker Government)
1937-1937: Huey Long (Union)
1936 (with William Lemke) def. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic), Charles Francis Adams III (Nonpartisan / Republican), Henry L. Stimson (Independent Republican)
1937-1938: Douglas MacArthur (Nonpartisan / Unity Government)
1938: de facto collapse of the United States, beginning of the Warring States Period
1939: Anti-Japanese pogroms in California lead to intervention by the IJN and the installation of the Pacific Governorate
1941: Black Dragon Society establishes the Republic of New Ethiopia in the Black Belt and much of the Old South
1942: Depopulated Plains States are occupied by joint Pacific-Japanese forces
Hudson River Treaty establishes peace between the New England Republic and the rump US, now consolidated under the National Security Regime
1943-0000: J. Edgar Hoover (Nonpartisan / National Security Regime)
1973-1975: Richard Helms (Nonpartisan / National Security Regime)
1975-1975: James E. Carter (Nonpartisan / Caretaker Government)
1975: de jure dissolution of the United States and institution of joint occupation by the leftist regimes of Pacifica, African-America and New England
1975-1976: H. Rap Brown / Jim Jones / Raymond Levasseur (United Front For The Reconstruction Of North America)
1976: Failure of reunification talks, establishment of independent states out of the former United States

This is a deliberately quite pulpy TL - Japan and America go to war in 1932 over a more successful May 15th Incident, Hoover manages to get an incumbency 'rally around the flag' boost that gets him across the line. However, the war doesn't go America's way, and while both countries are poorly prepared for war with the other, America is absolutely shattered by a deepening Depression while Japan's newly installed dictatorship is able to militarise much much faster and soon knocks the US out of the Pacific Ocean. Hoover eventually tries to seek peace in 1935, but in desperation MacArthur tries to install himself as dictator - it doesn't work. The US goes through a kind of Versailles moment as MacArthur is pushed out and Adams' Caretakers establish peace. At the cost of ceding Hawaii to Japan.

Long becomes President amidst a deeply divided political field - the Republicans split, while the Democrats become momentarily the vehicle of American revanchism. That doesn't last long however. Long's platform of rolling back the frontiers of American imperialism domestically - post WW1 'normalcy' had been abandoned by Hoover and MacArthur and America's prisons were bursting with numerous radicals - was deemed a threat. This time, MacArthur's coup actually came off.

But not entirely. The US essentially broke out into civil war as Long's wide cast of regional populists took advantage of his death to stick their knife in the back of the Union. The Japanese Empire, riding high on the achievement of their last war, took advantage of the chaos and the thin justification of anti-Japanese killings in California to occupy the Pacific states. The Japanese intervention would eventually see the United States reduced to a rump north of the Carolinas and east of the Dakotas. The rump US was still economically powerful however and would become a key ally of the Greater German Reich after 1943, and the beginning of the international Great Game between the German and Japanese spheres.

The final stuttering death of the United States happened in the 1960s amidst the German-Japanese atomic exchange - and perhaps more importantly the re-emergence of communism in the form of the graduates of late Felix Eboue's 'School of Africa' which transformed the European colonial exile regimes south of the Sahara into a cohesive anti-fascist alliance, uniting half a continent. It didn't quite register that the regime was on its last legs however, until after Director-General Hoover's death. His successors proved far less adept at holding together the house of cards, especially as each of their neighbours in turn flipped toward the New Ideology storming north across the Mediterranean and sprouting up in China and India.

A final shortlived slip into military dictatorship would be the Union's death rattle as Admiral Carter accepted occupation by her newly red neighbours. Even then however, the naive hoped that this presaged a unification that would see America restored to her rightful place, a shining city on a hill to the Worker's World. But after a handful of months, it was clear talks were getting nowhere. Unification was not a realistic prospect - and no one could see the old rump US being allowed to govern itself undivided. It was too big and unwieldy, even as it was. And so, in 1976, the bicentennial of the declaration of independence, the United States was abolished.


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1980: Harrold Stassen Republican Howard Baker
Def: James Earl Carter Democratic Walter Fritz Mondale

1984: Harrold Stassen Republican Howard Baker

Def: Walter Fritz Mondale Democratic Geraldine Ferroa

1988: Bill Clinton Democratic Lloyd Benson

Def: Howard Baker Republican Dan Quayle

Former California Governor Reagan decided not to run in 1980. Harold Stassen had run many times but in 1980 he finally won the Republican nomination. He easily defeated Carter who was unpopular due to the economy. by 1983 the economy slowly recovered. president Stassen was the most popular president since fdr. Stassen was the last cold war president. for vice president Bake, president Stassens popularity did not carry over to his v.p.


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Also, oh dear, what happened in Zimbabwe?
Not too much that didn't happen in OTL, I suspect, save that in this timeline Rhodes has no historical constituency.

To the extent that even more awful things are happening, it's to explain why Rhodes waits as long as he does to try and invade, and to give the impression that the British territories in South Africa have other things happening besides the uninterrupted rise of the Uitlanders.

I mean, if I were doing this properly I'd have found other people than a simple list of Randlords, who would have probably been happier not ruling directly. And I'd have nodded to the fact that the British would never just withdraw- there'd be basing rights for the Royal Navy, etc... and, most importantly I'd have included something about how this actually affected the Africans.

Still, I'm happy with it as something I had the idea for then immediately sat down and wrote.


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39. Reubin Askew Democratic Walter fritz Mondale 1977-1985
40.Gil Petterson Republican Pete Dupont 1985-1993
41. Albert Gore j r. Democratic Bill Clinton 1993-1997
Patrick Buchanon Republican 1997-2001.


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1988: Gil Peterson Democratic Lloyd Benson'

def: George Walker Bush Dan Quayle

1988: Gil Peterson Democratic Lloyd Benson'

1992: Def: Dan Quayle Republican Jack Kemp

2000: Albert Gore Democratic Joe Lieberman
Def: Ralph Nader Green Wynona LA duke

2004: Collin Powell Republican John Mcain


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Just an idea I had for a semi-stratocratic surviving Confederacy based on a presidential ticket I came up with for a CSA game run by True Whig over on the Old Country. Might expand on this with a writeup at a later point, I just want to get it down in writing for now in the event that my second dose of Pfizer ends up knocking me on my ass.

To Arms in Dixie

Presidents/Vice-Presidents of the Confederate States of America
1861 - 1869: Jefferson Davis (Nonpartisan-VA)/Alexander Stevens (Nonpartisan-GA)
1869 - 1875: PGT Beauregard (Redeemer-LA)/Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson (Redeemer-VA)
1874 - 1877: Nathan Bedford Forrest (Redeemer-TN)†/Robert Toombs (Democrat-GA)
1877 - 1881: Robert Toombs (Democrat-GA)/VACANT
1881 - 1887: Wade Hampton III (Fire Eater-SC)/Jubal Early (Fire Eater-VA)

1887 - 1893: James Longstreet (Redeemer-LA)/Ambrosio José Gonzales (Redeemer-SC)
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This is from my t.l. The beat goes on: the presidency of George Forsyth

1961-1965: John F. Kennedy / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)

1960: Richard M. Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
1965-1969: John F. Kennedy / Leroy Collins (Democratic)
1964: Barry M. Goldwater / Charles Hallack(Republican)
1969-1973: Richard M. Nixon/John Volpe (Republican)
1968: . Leroy Collins /George McGovern ( Democratic) George C. Wallace, Jr. / Enraza Benson Taft (American Independent)
1973-1976: Richard M. Nixon/John Volpe (Republican)
1972: Henry Jackson / Edward M. Kennedy (Democratic)
1974-1977: John Volpe / Gerald Ford (Republican)
1977-1979: Hubert H. Humphrey / James Carter (Democratic)

1976: John Volpe / Gerald Ford (Republican)
1979 -1985: James Earl Carter{ Bob Casey snr. (Democratic)
1980: Bob Dole { { Howard Baker Republican
1985-1993: Howard H. Baker, Jr. / Paul D. Laxalt (Republican)
1980: James Carter/ Bob Casey snr.(Democratic), Eugene J. McCarthy / John B. Anderson (Independent)
1984: Gary W. Hart / Lloyd M. Bentsen, Jr. (Democratic)
1993- 2001: George Forsyth / Jay Rockefeller ( Democratic)
1988: / Paul Laxalt ( Republican) H. Ross Perot / Pat Choate (Reform)

1996: Jack Kemp/ M. Elizabeth A. H. Dole (Republican)

2001-2005: William H. Frist / Jeffry L. Flake (Republican)

2000: Richard A. Gephardt / Joe Lieberman (Democratic) / Ralph Nader{Winona LA duke (Reform)
2005-2013: John F. Kennedy, Jr. / William W. Bradley (Democratic)
2004: William H. Frist / Jeff Flakes (Republican)
2008: Mike Huckabee / Kelly A. Ayotte (Republican)
2013-: Michael Steele / Jon Kyl (Republican)
2012: Martin omalley / Andrew M. Cuomo (Democratic)

George Forsyth left New Jersey to seek a acting career in Hollywood in the late 1950s once established as a guest star in several t.v. shows like the fugitve Forsyth got a costaring role in the sitcom gidget.
Forsyth got involved in the Leroy Collins presidential campaign in 1968.