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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State


I can hear the blood on the moon
Llareggub, Wales
Oh me oh my
Did Putin get cannibalized?
If he's still alive by 2040, Putin would be pushing 90, so I don't think he'd still be running things. The current President, Daniil Yegorov, doesn't get eaten, no. But most of his invading forces? Yep.

...I see.
What happened to the far-right militias that stormed the capital building - did they just get absorbed by the general group of warlords?
That's left up to the reader. You wanna imagine these assholes getting away with it? Whatever makes it more grim.


A deviant for attacking Nazis apparently.
The McCrone Report is released in 1977, causing the SNP to withdraw support for the Government causing a General Election where Thatcher wins a minority, but the SNP win a majority of Scottish seats. A resulting Indy-ref is held in 1979 with Yes narrowly winning. In 1981, Scotland leaves the United Kingdom.

Prime Ministers and Monarchs of the Kingdom of Scotland 1981-Present.

Prime Ministers

1. William Wolfe : SNP (1981-1983)
2. Gordon Wilson : SNP (1983-1988)
3. Dennis Canavan : Labour (1988-1992)
4. John Smith : Labour (1992-1994)
5: Gordon Brown : Labour (1994-2000)
6: Alex Salmond : SNP (2000-2010)
7: Mike Russell : Reform (2010-2015)
8: Nicola Sturgeon : SNP/Labour/Liberal Coalition (2015-Present)

A) Elizabeth I (1981-1984)
B) Francis I (1984-1998)
C) Sophie I (1998-Present)

Notes on the Prime Ministers.

1. William Wolfe becomes the Prime Minister after the SNP win the first Scottish General Election. He is forced to resign after it is found he tried to block a visit by the Pope to Scotland and accusations of sectarianism.
2. Gordon Wilson takes over, splitting the SNP in the Republic referendum which is narrowly won by the Monarchists. As a sop, he forces an abdication bill and the head of the Stuart line, Francis Wittelsbach becomes Francis I. In spite of the divisions, he leads the party to a minority government in the 1986 election. The only notable achievement during this period is the creation of the Scottish North Sea Oil Fund. The proves unstable though and Labour win a landslide in 1988.
3. Dennis Canavan wins a majority, beginning entry talks to take Scotland into the EEC. In 1992, a year before the scheduled General Election, he resigns following disastrous local election results in which Labour finish third.
4. John Smith wins the Labour leadership and takes charge of the party going into the 1993 General Election, where he wins a minority government. Under his leadership, Scotland joins the EU. He dies in office.
5. Gordon Brown, John Smiths protege takes charge, pushing for a reforming agenda, under his leadership, the Pound Scots is unpegged from Sterling. Under his leadership, Edinburgh hosts the peace talks which end the war in the Balkans. The Shetland and Orkney Assemblies, with powers comparable to the Faroe Islands are created during his first four years. He wins a minority in 1998, but is implicated with the fall of the Clydesdale Bank in 1999, in which £190 million of public funds are spent in a nationalisation. In 2000 Labour lose a confidence vote and then the election.
6. The SNP win the first majority in Parliament since 1988. The administration is successful in abolishing the Senate, moving Scotland from a bicameral system to a unicameral one. He opposes the war on Iraq and wins a second term. A second term is secured in 2005. A second Republic referendum is held in 2006, which is lost following a dispute over the manner of republic offered. In 2008, the financial crash brings down the Royal Bank of Scotland and the SNP are blamed over regulation. A group of MPs leave the party and join the Conservatives under new leader Mike Russell who have re-branded as the Reform Party.
7. Russell wins the 2010 election with a narrow majority. During his time in office, the right to buy is given to Council House owners in a bid to stimulate the economy. Further, coal mining, steel works and Telecoms are privatised. He also pushes through Trade Union reforms, causing the largest strike action since Independence. These are implemented, but there are notable divisions in Scotland following them.
8. The 2015 General Election sees the Reform Party as the largest single party, but the SNP, Labour and Liberal Parties work together to create an anti-Reform majority. Minor changes are made to the trade union reforms and with the Oil Fund, now topping £1.5 Trillion and income exceeding oil revenue, funding to the Oil Fund is cut in a bid to boost public spending without increasing taxation. A referendum is held on STV in 2018, which passes. The 2020 election is to be held under that system.

Notes on the Monarchs.
A) Elizabeth I - Abdicated following Act of Parliament following the Republic Referendum of 1984.
B) Francis I - Quiet reign Mildly unpopular due to time being split between Scotland and Bavaria. Abdicated in favour of Sophie, Princess of Liechtenstein in 1998, returns to Germany.
C) Sophie I - Scotland enters a personal Union with Lichtenstein. Her family take up full-time residence in Holyrood Palace. Survives the second Republic referendum.
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White Castle soda bet
Inbetween dreams and reality
Do You suffer from long time term memory loss ?

2017-2025:Donald Trump/Paul Ryan(Republican)
2016:Bernie Sanders/Hilary Clinton(Democratic),Gary Johnson/John Kasich(Libertarian/Independent Republican)

2020:Cory Booker/Michael Bennet(Democratic),Michael Bloomberg/Lincoln Lincoln Chafee(Independent Republican/Libertarian)
2025-2029:Josh Hawley/Marco Rubio(Republican)
2024:Cory Booker/Eric Swalwell(Democratic),Jesse Ventura/Justin Amash(Independence)
2029-2037:Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/Sherrod Brown(Democratic)
2028:Josh Hawley/Rick Scott(Republican),Jesse Ventura/Tulsi Gabbard(Independence)
2032:Tom Cotton/Dan Crenshaw(Republican),Justin Amash/Fred Karger(Independence)

2037-2041:Ro Khanna/Ayanna Pressley(Democratic)
2036:Rick Scott(Replacing Tucker Cailson)/Mitt Romney(Republican),Justin Amash/Fred Karger(Independence)
2040:Hung college

2041-2045:Nick Sandman/Aaron Coleman(Republican/Independence)
2045-2046:Nick Sandman/Katie Hill(Republican)
2044:Ethan Sonneborn/Bret Heinz(Democratic),Cristina Tzintzun Ramirez/MJ Heger(TNP),Aaron Coleman/various
2046-2049:Katie Hill/Logan Paul(Republican)
2044:Kyle Kulinksi/Tom Watson(Democratic),Cristina Tzintzun Ramirez/MJ Heger(TNP)
2049-????:Logan Paul/David Oks(Republican)
2048:Kyle Kulinksi/David Hogg(Democratic),Cristina Tzintzun Ramirez/MJ Heger(TNP)
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Ernst Röhm's Twink Island
London after the rain - the rise and fall of the New Romantic Kingdom

We have little from before the times of the history singers but what we can piece together points to two great warrior nations that unleashed fire from the skies. Death and disease ruled old Londinium before the new tribes, the Blitz Kids rose to bring the rule of the symphony back to the people.

1ATR - 2ATR: Steve Strange

Strange struggled with leadership and quickly lost himself in vice, while we do not know the true version of events it is widely believed that his attendants George and Marilyn smothered him with a pillow as he lay prostrate following one of his alcohol fueled debauches.

2ATR - 9ATR: The Style Council

7 was the number and 7 was the years they reigned, before the dark times, before the Duke

They were

Anne Clarke and the Dwellers of the Void
John Foxx and his Golden Section
Peter Murphy representing The Bauhaus Set
Gary Numan and the Park Boys
Siouxsie and her Howling Banshees
Marc Almond with the Theatre of Desire

They fought, and they loved and one by one they died.

9ATR - 12ATR: The Thin White Duke

The spider, the one from the time before rose from the ashes, scarred, angry and hungry for his past fame. Those of the council who were not killed fled to the outerlands, to the courts of the League of Man, the Cabaret and the Charming Men. The Duke trapped those who would rebel in his web and devour them whole, names that have passed to legend like Babooshka Kate, Leeeeeeeeeee John, Toyah of the Mysteries and most tragically of all the young messiah Faith Michael.

His reign of terror only stopped by Peter Murphy, his bastard offspring, who plunged a knife into the Duke's belly and who with the last of his demonic strength strangled the life from the last survivor of the Bauhaus Set.

12ATR - 16ATR: Sylvian of Nippon

One of the few tribal elders left standing after the murderous regime of the Duke, Sylvian rebuilt the Kingdom of Romance from scratch. With honeyed words and promises of wealth and glory he bound the tribes into one again. But peace would not reign long as from the bowels of the beast Marlybone swarmed the cannibalistic Plague of Ants. Sylvian and his Samurai battled the swarm in view of the Great Cyclopes and personally slew their leader, the First Man. Mortally wounded Sylvian asked to be taken to the High Gate, where he would be interred until the Kingdom of Romance needed him once again.

16ATR - ????: Marc Almond

The tales of legend end here, whatever cataclysmic force lay waste to the Kingdom we may never know. What little we have is a record of the return of Almond from his Northern Exile and his seizure of the throne with help from his Fornicator Dwarves. Tribulations beset the land as the work of Sylvian the Great was undone and Almond took his pleasures wherever he found them. The last record of the history singers mentions something called "The Rave" which beset the kingdom from the far North, but what that was who can tell?
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Hahahah, yes.

W h e n I t A l l F a l l s D o w n​

2017-2021: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2016 (with Tim Kaine) def. Donald J. Trump (Republican)

When all is said and done, Hillary Clinton has been remembered by history by the ironic plaudits bestowed upon her: the most qualified Presidential candidate in history and the woman who broke the highest and hardest glass ceiling, left office as perhaps the most hated President in American history. Yet hated as she was from the beginning, it was not obvious in 2017 that this would be the fate of the Clinton legacy. Certainly there were already stirrings when, reneging on earlier promises, Clinton approved of an only moderately watered-down version of the TPP in early 2017, or when she intensified the diplomatic standoff between the United States and Russia, but with a Democratic house, and a nominal majority in the Senate with Vice President Kaine's intervention, the first 100 days of the Clinton Presidency shaped out as expected: boring, technocratic, but essentially effective. In October any chance of that stability being parlayed into a second term and a place in the history books as one of history's trailblazers was torpedoed by Ronan Farrow's revelation of the crimes of Harvey Weinstein. With the 'MeToo' movement picking up steam over the following months, President Clinton's popularity initially soared: even the resignation of Clinton cheerleader Al Franken, with Clinton's tacit encouragement, only served to make the case for a woman in the White House stronger. That was, until difficult questions began to be asked about her husband, his relationship with Monica Lewinski, and his friendship with a certain controversial New York financier, as well as the Clintons' previously well-publicised connection to Harvey Weinstein. Such rumours would churn along throughout 2018, and with Clinton's popularity steadily falling from its highpoint in October-December 2017, with widespread discontent with Clinton's neoliberal policies from both the left and the right and a fair degree of voter suppression, the Republicans would win back both the House and the Senate in a landslide in 2018.

Then the damn burst. In 2019, Jeffrey Epstein was rearrested on charges relating to sex trafficking, and the entire Clinton house of cards began to collapse. With calls for Bill Clinton to be arrested, a surge in support for the mysterious and cult-like 'QAnon' movement, and more and more of the Democratic donor class under fire by the MeToo and Progressive movements, President Clinton was boxed in. So unpopular that, by October 2019, she was seriously considering not running for a second term, Hillary would find herself faced with the greatest crisis of her life as the Coronavirus Pandemic ravaged America. With all the petty demagogues of the right screaming tirade after tirade on television, Talk radio, and "Epstein truther" podcasts (as well as televised primary debates), and with her pandemic mitigation measures criticised at once as insufficient and as overly authoritarian, Clinton seemed surprisingly weak against a quixotic primary challenge from the left - by the convention, it was clear that she had already lost. Facing the spectacle of both Howie Hawkins (at one point polling at 10%) and Kanye West joining her puckish Republican rival in taunting her during the Presidential debates, Clinton sat them out, only adding to the appearance that she was aloof, out of touch, and unprepared to face the voters. And by November, it was over. A humiliating landslide defeat, the loss of the 'Blue Wall' (a near miss as early as 2016), and the utter tarnishing of her reputation all saw America's first female President leave office less under a cloud than a raging storm.

Today, most historians chart the Clinton Presidency as the beginning of the end. The bright liberal hope of the early 21st-century had seemingly been exposed, to many, as a liar, a crook, and potentially an accessory to a vast conspiracy of pedophiles operating at the highest levels of American society (the QAnon cult, initially based largely around the interpretation of "esoteric" meaning in Clinton's fumbling responses would grow to be the fourth largest sect in America by the 2040s). As Steve Bannon, a former Trump surrogate then entering the White House as an advisor to Trump's more boisterously charismatic heir, proclaimed on FOX on the morning of innauguration day, "The era of American carnage ha[d] begun!"

2021-2029: Tucker Carlson (Republican)
2020 (with Joni Ernst) def. Hillary Clinton (Democratic), Howie Hawkins (Green-Left 2020), Kanye West (Independent)
2024 (with Joni Ernst) def. Kamala Harris (Democratic), Mark Rufallo (Greens '24: the party of the Left)

By the time he strutted into the White House, escorted by an unofficial honour guard of Oathkeepers and Proud Boys, the bow-tied bard of American populism had come along way from Crossfire. But then, so had the American body politic. Even four years previously, with Hillary Clinton's resounding defeat of Donald Trump, it had seemed that the American people had proven their democratic maturity, rejecting inexperienced demagoguery in favour of expertise and enlightenment - or at least that was the consensus amongst the country's coastal elites. In reality, even before Clinton's election, the total deterioration of American society had already begun. By 2020, with the nation drenched in wildfires, ravaged by plague, and gripped by violence between the far-right supporters of Carlson and left-wing counter-protestors, it was clear that American democracy was close to its breaking point. Indeed, rioting which had begun towards the middle of 2020 after an eruption of new BLM protests, had metamorphosed into a general wave of discontent about Clinton's forever wars, border detention centres, and her deleterious neoliberal policies - by November, these riots had grown close to a quiet civil war. Promising a return to law and order, and running on the Trump policy playbook with none of the declassé mannerisms, Carlson won back the terrified white suburban 'moderate' vote for the GOP, and ushered in a grinning preppy populism.

The Carson years were not easy, and the economy never recovered from the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic, which dragged on into the early months of 2022, before a mixture of growing herd immunity, and the gradual roll-out of a vaccine stemmed the tide. President Carson's new Industrial Strategy, his trade war with China, and a moderate increase in welfare spending won support from the GOP's new blue collar base, and from some begrudging Democrats, but alienated the donor class and much of his own party, barely sated by new socially conservative strategies; a ramped up war on drugs, more stringent domestic anti-terrorism measures, a strict clamp-down on illegal immigration and, with a huge GOP majority in congress, a border wall. But despite the lean years of the early 2020s, by 2024, as Kamala Harris dragged her way to the top of the bloody pile of Democratic candidates over a defeated Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, Tim Kaine, and Gavin Newsom, it seemed unquestionable that Carlson would win a second term. The previous 12 years of Democratic rule had brought America to the breaking point - and if that wasn't enough, renewed political violence (stoked by the President's supporters but framed as Antifa led domestic terrorism by the administration) and blatant GOP gerrymandering would do the trick. Four years after entering the Oval Office, with Mark Ruffalo winning a stunning 5% of the vote for a combined Green-Socialist ticket and splitting the left vote, Tucker was re-elected.

2025-2029 would be even harder than the four years which had come before. In Carlson's America, for all the populist rhetoric, a certain kind of elite was still very much on top: clashes with Amazon, Facebook, and Twitter saw monopolies broken, but their successor companies only enriched shareholders in the long-term, whilst for the ruthless, the return of the American manufacturing industry - and a loosening of domestic labour laws - created a new industrial Wild West where fortunes were won. Racial animus was at an all time high as black, hispanic, Jewish, and any other minority Americans were all blamed for the continuing stagnation of Americans' standard of living. Violence, at least, did not rule the streets, but the "civil peace" won by the Carlson administration was the peace of a defeated people. Yet still the Democrats flailed. Still associated with the unsavoury collapse of the Clinton administration, with hundreds of thousands of Coronavirus deaths, a near war with Russia, a collapsed economy, demonised as the "party of the pedos" by the great prophet Q and the right-wing media, and divided by a militant left and flaming establishment, the Democratic Party was near universally despised.

But out of electoral chaos emerged a man with a calling - a calling from God. At first he was a joke: a rapper, running for President? But like Trump riding down the golden escalator, he picked up momentum, drawing in elements of the left, the religious right, and millions of Americans just desperate for redemption. Even still, as he climbed in the polls to five, then ten, then fifteen, then twenty percent, no one thought he could do it. And then came the Carson emails: chains of correspondence between the President and his allies in which he derided ordinary Americans as a "mob" and "barely deserving of sterilisation" and at times openly flirted with white nationalism and bringing in the far-right paramilitaries as an organ of the state. This alone still couldn't kill Vice President Ernst's run for the White House, but with the country slouching into a new recession by July, it was clear the GOP was on the way out. Proclaimed the nominee of his new party to almost godlike acclamation, the ultimate outsider declared a "new dawn" for America. As brother killed brother in the streets, the economy reached new lows, the EU drifted out of the American orbit, China surpassed the country by all GDP metrics, and Russia began its inexorable slide into collapse, the American people decided that anything was better than this - even a guy who picked his own reality TV star wife as his running mate. And so on one misty day in November, narrowly, barely feasibly, and largely thanks to the people of California's rejection of the Governor known only for the horrors of the wildfires, Kanye West won a plurality of the vote, and with it the White House.

2029-2033: Kanye West (Dawn)
2028 (with Kim Kardashian West) def. Joni Ernst (Republican), Gavin Newsom (Democratic)

As it turned out, electing a mentally ill rapper to the Presidency, was not a recipe for political success. It was not simply that both the President and Vice President were totally unsuited for the office, or that they had almost no support in Congress, or that their policy platform was almost totally denuded of actual policies which hindered the West administration - the greatest of all of its issues was that the President simply did not care about executing the office to which he had been elected. The great issue was not, as the American elite grumbled, the President wouldn't wear a suit even to the inauguration, but that idiosyncrasies aside, it was clear to all that the President had little interest in governing whatsoever. Almost no policies came out of the Oval Office, and as the economy imploded, it was unclear that the President would even sign a desperate bipartisan stimulus package. A barely filled cabinet, and almost empty administrative agencies saw the gradual crumbling of the American administrative state, already gutted for decades by underfunding, causing countless man-made and avoidable natural disasters. But in the end, the President rose to the occasion... in his own way. If erratic, President West did some good work: his criminal justice reforms were lauded, and if his plans to tackle the opioid epidemic were often not exactly coherent, greater spending on drug rehabilitation, and a serious effort to take on the Sacklers (alongside corporate power more generally) won real plaudits.

But it was an uphill battle nevertheless, and attempts to ban abortion and the death penalty, and reinstate school prayer alienated as many voters as they won. Education reform was similarly hampered by Congress, whilst condemnation of vaccines as "the mark of the beast" were met with disdain by a people barely saved by the Covid-19 vaccine. But for many, the final straw was the pardoning of Chicago gang leader Larry Hoover. By the end of 2031, the polls had resolutely turned against the President. President West's last great policy attempt, slashing what remained of the American welfare state as a "Democratic plantation", found near total condemnation, and as new populist insurgencies in the Democratic and Republican primaries captured the nation's heart, the first family made the decision that, although the President would run to save some face, he would not campaign actively. President West's legacy remains complex and divisive, attracting a mixture of pity, scorn, and loathing. What has soured his legacy most of all, however, was what came next. The farce that came before a great tragedy, the clusterfuck of the West administration was a brief lapse in the cold civil war that had reigned since 2016 (if only out of exhaustion and confusion about the terms of battle) - election season '28 saw the resurgence of mass political violence, and the beginning of American Caesarism.

2033-0000: Madison Cawthorn (Republican)
2032 (with Marco Rubio) def. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democratic), Kanye West (Dawn) [did not actively campaign]
2036 (with Marco Rubio) def. Conor Lamb (Democratic), Julia Salazar (Left Opposition), Liz Cheney (Independent)
2040 (with Marjorie Green) def. Keisha Lance Bottoms (Democratic), Lee Carter (Left Opposition), George P. Bush (Conservative)

Madison Cawthorn's America is not the America of the Founders anymore. The handsome populist President rules effectively as a dictator, his opponents cowed through violence, and the private sector tamed through corporatism not seen since FDR. A divided opposition has only nominally contested Presidential elections since the blatantly rigged election of 2036 (though Cawthorn remains genuinely popular with ordinary Americans), and even internal critics like former Vice President Rubio have faced consequences for their dissent over the violation of basic democratic norms, and the President's refusal to step aside. With the left divided between moderates and the supporters of the jailed Senator Ocasio-Cortez, and former Republicans alienated by Cawthorn's increasingly naked authoritarianism, and willingness to play brinkmanship with the EU in the Arctic Circle refusing to work with the left, any cohesive political opposition seems impossible. Indeed, it seems that the only threat to the President's authority may come from within: despite his efforts to tame the QAnon movement (including appointing Vice President Green), its followers are increasingly power-hungry. Whilst the military, the elite, and the big corporations back the President for now, his American Putinism is precarious: the reprieve from political chaos and the all-but civil war which engulfed the nation in his first year in office could shatter at any moment. If it does, what remains of the American experiment may finally come to an end...

(This was an attempt at a sort of Summer 2020-punk by way of a Hillary victory world, and to show that far from being funny and zany, a Kanye Presidency would probably just be really sad, really shitty, a bit pathetic, and ultimately tragic for anyone living through it).
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Sour, Salty, and Delicious
Published by SLP
Albany, NY
I don't ever actually do Future Lists, and there's really not much to say about this. Its just sort of a nightmare scenario that I literally thought up last night.

The Sum of Japhy's Fears

2017-2020: Donald J. Trump / Michael R. Pence (Republican)
2016: Hillary R. Clinton / Timothy M. Kaine (Democratic), Gary E. Johnson / William F. Weld (Libertarian), Jill E. Stein / Ajamu S. Baraka (Green)
2020-2029: Michael R. Pence / Cara C. “Carly” Fiorina (Republican)
2020: Mark Cuban / Harold R. Ford, Jr. (“Reunion” Independent), Tulsi Gabbard / Julian Castro (Democratic), John R. Kasich, Jr. / John N. Kennedy (Independent / Constitution), Jesse “T.B.” Ventura / Elijah Manley (The New Deal: Libertarian & Green)
2024: Mark E. Zuckerberg / Cynthia E. Nixon (“Progressive” Independent), Tulsi Gabbard / Caroline B. Kennedy (“Truth and Freedom” Independent), Oprah G. Winfrey / Chelsea V. Clinton (Democratic), Kmele Foster / Cheri L. Honkala (The New Deal)
2029-2033: Ivanka M. Trump / Tulsi Gabbard (Republican)
2028: Robert F. “Beto” O’Rourke / Joseph P. Kennedy III (Democratic), Keith M. Ellison / John Fetterman (Progressive Socialist)
2033-2037: Michelle R. Obama / Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democratic)
2032: Ivanka M. Trump / Tulsi Gabbard (Republican)

President Trump announces at the last possible second in 2020 that he finished the job and America is Great Again. Being as he is he has no interest in being a lame duck and thus resigns, passing the White House and his support in the scrambling Republican Primary to Mike Pence. The Democrats, high on the Blue Wave find themselves in an overly extended, highly messy and massively partisan primary that turns many Americans off, opening the door for "Left Wing Trumps" for years to party, and critically weakening the party. John Kasich potentially creates the same threat on the right but is quickly swamped as he has little support outside of the media. Mike Pence is president for longer then any President besides Franklin Roosevelt as a result. The DNC-DSA Civil War will drag on for years, in America's ever more partisan weakness NATO and NAFTA collapse, Putin wins big until his death in the late 2020s and Global Warming continues to be unchecked by the United States. He's followed up by Ivanka who turns herself and her "Post-Partisan" ticket into Media darlings promising she will be different then her father, which she is, in the most basic and superficial ways, all the while continuing the policies of the last three terms. In the end though the Democrats will, after 16 years out of office return with a compromise ticket that combines the DSA's growing strength with the worst traditional impulses of the Democratic rank and file.
This dated list just got liked by @Blackentheborg and while fascinating because of how much I have gone to the left in the past two years


Its funny because things are so much worse now.


This dated list just got liked by @Blackentheborg and while fascinating because of how much I have gone to the left in the past two years


Its funny because things are so much worse now.
I’m not saying OTL is a list written in five minutes in 2072 titled “hiii guys so here is my timeline, sorry if its current politics, where the bionic arm league (X Æ A-12 Musk wuz robbed) replaces the republicans and we have a real fiscally conservative but bionically liberal party“, but


I can hear the blood on the moon
Llareggub, Wales
Yeah. I mean it was my fear at the time.
It's kinda adorable how back then we were CONVINCED Trump wasn't gonna get a second term.
i swear every couple of years you say something like this

by 2024 you'll have gone from jedi beatnik to jedi bookchin
The last four years have somewhat radicalised all of us, comrade


I can hear the blood on the moon
Llareggub, Wales
Speaking of fears for elections, here's mine.

You know that one show Years and Years? Well at one point there is a hung parliament and the rouge politician decides instead of forming a C&S agreement with either, either party will come to her with policies and she'll either accept or deny them. Eventually she gets them both to knuckle under and elect her as PM.

Think of that, but with someone who is somehow worse than Viv Rook.

2017-2020: Jacinda Ardern (Labour) [minority govt. w/ NZFirst coalition and Green confidence & supply]
defeated Bill English (National), James Shaw (Green), Winston Peters (NZFirst), David Seymour (ACT), Te Ururoa Flavell/Marama Fox (Māori), others
2020-2020: Jacinda Ardern (Labour) [declared Acting Prime Minister]
defeated Judith Collins (National), David Seymour (ACT), Winston Peters (NZFirst), James Shaw/Marama Davidson (Green), others
2020-2021: Winston Peters/Kelvin Davis (NZFirst-Labour) [National Unity Government convened by Parliament]
2021-2023: David Seymour (ACT) [declared Acting Prime Minister]
2023-20??: David Seymour (ACT) [minority govt. w/
National coalition and Advance confidence & supply]
defeated Judith Collins (National), Kelvin Davis (Labour), Tim Shadbolt (Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party), Marama Davidson/Ricardo Menéndez March (Green), Matt McCarten (People Before Profit), Anil Sharma (Advance), others
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I unironically think that Kanye is even less qualified than Trump. At least Trump never tweeted a picture of him peeing on an the grammy that he won and never shared his entire contract page by page on it either.
Those aren't examples of Kanye being "less qualified", they're examples of Kanye suffering from bipolar disorder while Trump doesn't.


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1933-1933: Franklin Delano Roosevelt/John Nance Garner (Democratic) [President-elect]
1932 def. Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis (Republican)

FDR was intent on solving the Great Depression. Alas, he was assassinated by one Giuseppe Zangara before he could be sworn in.

1933-1936: John Nance Garner/Vacant (Democratic)

Garner was a semi-competent president, despite his conservatism, and passed a variety of social programs that helped the US get out of some of the Great Depression. His term, however, saw growing support for the unification of states in "sub-confederations" with their own legislatures, in an attempt to ensure economic aid could be better distributed. He died of a stroke in 1936, and by the Presidential Succession Act 1935 it was up to Congress to choose who the next one would be.

1936-1937: Huey Long/Vacant (Democratic)

1937-1937: Huey Long/Alben Barkley (Democratic)
def. William Borah/Alf Landon (Republican)

At first, Long was perceived to be a mere puppet of the party elite, with his gullible Louisianan accent. But then he proved everyone wrong. He proved headstrong and willing to butt heads with the party establishment when it came to making new economic. When he passed an act with much of his own cabinet opposing him, the result was that he was removed from his party and ordered to resign. But instead he brought most of the party with him, and forced his ambitious VP to resign instead.

1937-1941: Huey Long/Vacant (Democratic (Government))

With his success confirmed by various special elections and state elections, Long engaged in his other great achievement. He formed in a coalition in 1937 against the restored Kaiserreich, and defeated Chancellor Hugenberg's Germany in a matter of months. Long was celebrated, and was compared to Christian saints.

But the economy was getting worse (albeit due to a crash in London). The result was mass protests led by people who he once called friends. His popularity subsequently tanked. The protests poured into Washington, and his own election was brought in doubt by the Supreme Court which declared his sign-up process illegal and declared him ineligible. Then he panicked and declared the suspension of habeas corpus. He imprisoned his political opponents and cancelled midterms. As this continued, things got worse. The constitution was amended to centralize vast power in Long's hands. His son Marion gained a massive amount of power, using it to clear slums in the name of "beautification" and launch campaigns of mass sterilization. However, things looked calm and the protests had come to an end. And so Long declared the end of mass imprisonment and held a presidential election. Then he lost, massively.

1941-1944: Alben Barkley/William Borah (People's Party)
1940 def. Huey Long/Cordell Hull (Democratic)

Coming to power on a massive wave of optimism for change, Barkey's administration would dash the hopes of many. Led by a figure who was long-hoping to become president, it seemed his goal was finally successful (even if he was now in an entirely different party). His administration did successfully make suspension of habeas corpus much more difficult to declare and Long's amendment was abolished. However, the People's Party, made up of every possible opponent to the Long administration, quickly collapsed in on its own internal disagreements. There was nothing unifying it whatsoever. All the while Long made campaigns across the nation to regain his stature. Finally, in 1944, Barkley's own vice president broke away from the People's Party to form his own party in coalition with the Democrats, and they worked together to impeach and remove Barkley on "corruption" charges that were blatantly made up.

1944-1945: William Borah/Vacant (People's Party (B))

However, immediately upon Borah getting power, Long rescinded his support. Thus, Borah lost his opportunity to pass his desired reforms, and he was little more than a lame duck till the next election

1945-1948: Huey Long/Russell Long (Democratic)
1944 def. Henry Wallace/Wendell Wilkie (People's Party), William Borah/Robert LaFollette Jr. (People's Party (B))

Coming to power with a landslide over the People's Party split, Huey Long cruised to victory despite his former dictatorial period. Yet, in his new period, he faced a new crisis. The Southern Revivalist movement, which often veered into neo-Confederate sentiments, became powerful, a long-term trend ultimately coming from the government establishing the Magnolia Legislature for the Deep South in 1936 in an effort led by more moderate Southern groups. In the 1944 election, the Southern Revivalists had ironically supported Long's campaign, in an effort by his "enfant terrible" Marion Long to regain support - Marion's death before the election from his own aerial daredevilry was only the first step before this alliance broke apart. The Revivalists soon became violent, as the Ku Klux Klan saw its second revival as an explicitly neo-Confederate secessionist group and it was supported by many of them, with the goal of creating an independent "Dixie". It launched terrorist attacks against black congregations, and took part in a variety of massacres. It grew and grew in scope, until in 1948 it was powerful even if it was on the run from the federal government, with its leadership sequestered in the historic First Baptist Church of Charleston. Long ordered troops to stop them. The sequestered Ku Klux Klan had far more firepower than anyone expected, and the result was that, though the leadership of the new Ku Klux Klan was killed, the Church was destroyed. Southerners were outraged that one of their greatest churches was destroyed. The result was an assassination attempt against Long's own Treasury Secretary and mutinies by some Southern troops. And Long's own bodyguards, who came from South Carolina, decided to assassinate him as revenge. And so died Huey Long, killed by those he entrusted with his life.

Huey Long is one of the most controversial figures in American history. Some view him as a martyr, as a saint incarnate, and others view him as a tyrant, as a monster. Even today, this historiographic battle continues unabated. No doubt, he shall be argued over for many years to come....
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