Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

[Tom Colton]

So @Tom Colton did I do an okay job? I hope it works as an alternate Singapore

Ah, I finally came back to this.

Jospehine Teo as Prime Minister will keep me up at night in sheer terror.

Nicely done work, I do wonder how high up the ladder of capitalism they'd get in this world.

 

[Time Enough]

Jospehine Teo as Prime Minister will keep me up at night in sheer terror.

Well I had temper the good times that was Lim Chin Siong and Barisan Sosialis winning numerous election somehow, Teo works in that fact.

Nicely done work, I do wonder how high up the ladder of capitalism they'd get in this world.

Thank you, means a lot coming from you I have to say. In terms of Capitalism, Singapore ain't the Asian Capitalist Powerhouse it's perceived as in our world. The Barisan Sosialis years were more concerned with building a function Social Democracy (they manage to impalement some Democratic Socialist ideas though the Trade Unions baulk slightly at some of the more radical proposals like Industrial Democracy) though some deals were made in terms of manufacturing as the nation even with a heavy trade union activity the nation is still seen as cheaper than the Western nations.

Attempts in the 1990s under the revived PAP to liberalise the economy go better than expected (helped by the Japan's economy still crashing and burning in the early 90s) though an Asian Stock Market Crisis in the late 90s knocks some of the more radical proposals on the head. The economy undergoes a more radical liberalisation under Tan Cheng Bock with an emphasis towards the expanding digital economy.

In ATL 2020, Singapore is seen as a model of Social Democracy outside of Europe, with an economy that is heavily geared towards the rising digital sectors that allows it to expand it's reach though it ain't the richest country in Asia (though it's doing better than Japan and has at points nipped at the heels of China) and it isn't as rich as the version we all know and love.

 

[Tom Colton]

Well I had temper the good times that was Lim Chin Siong and Barisan Sosialis winning numerous election somehow, Teo works in that fact.

Theresa May but Singaporean is still horrifying and I will never forgive you.

How's Malaysia doing? One of the planned Weber Town follow-ups would have had Mega Malaysia (Malaya, Singapore, Brunei) being a regional powerhouse due to its total dominance of the junction between the Indian Ocean and South China Sea and natural resources and crude oil (uh, excuse me whilst I clean off my keyboard), with LKY and the current Lee being quixotic crusaders for Singaporean independence.

 

[Time Enough]

Theresa May but Singaporean is still horrifying and I will never forgive you.

Tom, how can I win you back...would a timeline involving David Saul Marshall being the one to allow Singapore to win Self Government? Or Lee Kuan Yew still being a Moderate Fabian Socialist instead of what he eventually became? Or a Left Wing PAP?

How's Malaysia doing? One of the planned Weber Town follow-ups would have had Mega Malaysia (Malaya, Singapore, Brunei) being a regional powerhouse due to its total dominance of the junction between the Indian Ocean and South China Sea and natural resources and crude oil, with LKY and the current Lee being quixotic crusaders for Singaporean independence.

That's a horrifyingly amazing idea there, who are these Weber Town folks (also in this scenario LKY would probably still be a Social Democrat as well, which is something)?

In terms of Malaysia (or it would probably be the Federation of Malaya since they would not be letting a Barisan Sosialis Singapore to join) there doing alright, the bad relationship that they had with Singapore has dissipated massively since Mahathir Mohamad and Devan Nair managed to organise a Economic Alliance in 1986 (in return Mohamad let up on cracking down on the DAP which was Nair's baby until he came back to lead the more powerful NTUC under Barisan Sosialis) and since then the countries have had a cordial relationship with them creating a small economic zone between the Indian Ocean and South China Sea. Having a successful Social Democratic Singapore has allowed the DAP to have more power though it's never managed to have a government in any real sense.

 

[Tom Colton]

Tom, how can I win you back...would a timeline involving David Saul Marshall being the one to allow Singapore to win Self Government? Or Lee Kuan Yew still being a Moderate Fabian Socialist instead of what he eventually became? Or a Left Wing PAP?

SUPER MALAYSIA

In terms of Malaysia (or it would probably be the Federation of Malaya since they would not be letting a Barisan Sosialis Singapore to join) there doing alright, the bad relationship that they had with Singapore has dissipated massively since Mahathir Mohamad and Devan Nair managed to organise a Economic Alliance in 1986 (in return Mohamad let up on cracking down on the DAP which was Nair's baby until he came back to lead the more powerful NTUC under Barisan Sosialis) and since then the countries have had a cordial relationship with them creating a small economic zone between the Indian Ocean and South China Sea. Having a successful Social Democratic Singapore has allowed the DAP to have more power though it's never managed to have a government in any real sense.

Good but SUPER MALAYSIA WHEN

 

[Time Enough]

SUPER MALAYSIA


Good but SUPER MALAYSIA WHEN

Oh god, what have I done?!

 

[Tom Colton]

Oh god, what have I done?!

ONE ARCHIPELAGO UNDER GOD (ALLAH)

 

[Mumby]

so i started a collaborative list on the other place of 'commanders-in-chief' under john brown's provisional constitution

i decided i didnt want to do a write up of the whole thing so i settled with this

Presidents of the United States

1857-1861: James Buchanan (Democratic)
1856 (with John C. Breckinridge) def. John C. Fremont (Republican), Millard Fillmore (Know Nothing)
1861-1864: Joseph Lane ('Southern' Democratic)
1860 (vacant) def. Abraham Lincoln (Republican), Stephen A. Douglas ('Northern' Democratic), John Bell (Constitutional Union)
1864-1865: John C. Breckinridge (Democratic)
1865-1867: George B. McClellan (Peace Ticket)
1864 (with Salmon P. Chase) def. Joseph Lane ('War' Democratic), John C. Breckinridge ('National' Democratic)
1866 Constitutional Convention; adaption of the Provisional Constitution as Amendments
1867-1869: Benjamin Butler (Nonpartisan), as Commander-in-Chief
1869-1872: Salmon P. Chase (Republican)
1868 (Coalition with Adjustment Democrats and Radicals) def. William Mahone (Adjustment Democratic), Benjamin Wade (Radical), Zebulon B. Vance (National Democratic)

It was perhaps inevitable that Butler would be the first Warlord to be nominated to a second term, given the circumstances of America emerging from it's bloody civil war, and the adoption of the Second Constitution. However, 1870 has been and gone and Butler remains as Warlord of America. The shape of the new American democracy has emerged, and it looks far more similar to European constitutional monarchy than what the Old Founders, and possibly John Brown himself, ever intended. The President is elected by the unicameral Congress, not the people, the title is that of a head of government. The head of state is the Commander-in-Chief, but to refer to that title as merely head of state does not do the office justice. There is a reason they are referred to as Warlord. The Commander-in-Chief exercises wide discretionary powers, making them more powerful than any President in the history before the war.

 

[Mumby]

another thing based on a collaborative list on the other place (my prompt was party systems from the bicentennial to the tricentennial)

The New American Century

Presidents of the United States of America (Second Republic until 2032, Third Republic from 2032 to 2060, Fourth Republic from 2060 to 2069, Fifth Republic from 2069 to present)

2017-2021: Donald Trump (Republican)
2016 (with Mike Pence) def. Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2020 (with Mike Pence) def. Joe Biden (Democratic), Kanye West (Independent)
2021-2021: Mike Pence (Republican)
2021-2021: Nancy Pelosi (Democratic)
2021-2027: Mike Pompeo (Republican)
2024; according to the Electoral College; (with Michael Flynn) def. Meghan McCain (Constitutionalist)
2024; according to UN observers; Constitutionalist ticket sole legal opposition, widespread voter intimidation and opposition boycotts
2027-2028: Michael Flynn (Republican)
2028-2031: Michael Flynn (Digital Soldier)
2028; according to the Electoral College; (with Marjorie Green) def. effectively unopposed
2028; according to UN observers; Digital Soldier ticket clearly defeated, President Flynn responded by couping what remained of civilian government
2031-2031: Tom Cotton (Digital Soldier)
2031-2032: Scott Walker (Republican & Constitutionalist leading Provisional Government)
2032-2032: Scott Walker / Pete Buttigieg (Republican, Constitutionalist & Democratic leading Provisional Government)
2032-2033: Pete Buttigieg (Federalist - Pro-Technical Government)
2033-2039: Pete Buttigieg (Techno-Federalist)
2032 def. Scott Walker (Oppo-Federalist), boycotted by Autonomous Zones and Benedictine Communities
2039-2045: London Breed (Techno-Federalist)
2038 def. none (Social Autonomist), Jesus Christ (Benedictine), Saira Blair (Oppo-Federalist)
2045-2051: Jacob Bachmeier (Techno-Federalist)
2044 def. scattered Social Autonomist, Benedectine and Oppo-Federalist candidacies
2051-2057: Kalan Haywood (Techno-Federalist)
2050 def. none (Social Autonomist), numerous Benedictine candidacies, Maxwell Lyon (Electoral Revival Organisation), scattered continuity Oppo-Federalist candidacies
2057-2062: Maxwell Lyon (Electoral Revival Organisation leading New America Alliance)
2056 def. Chelsea Chapel (Techno-Federalist), numerous continuity candidacies opposed to the 'Devil's Bargain' with Maxwell Lyon
2062-2067: Maxwell Lyon (Revivalist)
2062; according to the Electoral Commission; def. Erle Stanaway (Federalist)
2062; according to UN observers; amendment of term limits law, near-destruction of autonomous communities, Federalists sole viable opposition
2067-2069: Amari Franks (Revivalist)
2068; according to the Electoral Commission def. Erle Stanaway (Federalist)
2068; according to UN observers; campaigning suspended in October amidst unfavourable polling for the government
2069-2075: Erle Stanaway (Federalist)
2069 confirmatory election def. Kendall Love (Red-Black Alliance), Savanna Shannon (Revivalist), Hogan Paul (Technolibertarian)
2075-0000: Tegan Stone (Red-Black Alliance)
2074 def. Gene Hopkins (Federalist), House of Ada-Pauline-Tanner Banks (Technolibertarian), Savanna Shannon (Revivalist)

 

[Cevolian]

Oppo-Federalist

@Oppo test thread government of national unity when

 

[Time Enough]

Chief Executives of Hong Kong:
1996-2005: Anson Chan (Independent-Democracy Camp)
1996 def: Peter Woo (Independent-Pro Beijing), Simon Li (Independent-Pro Beijing)
2002 def: Donald Tsung (Independent-Pro Beijing)
2005-2012: Emily Lau (Frontier/Democratic Party-Democracy Camp)
2005 def: Chim Pui-chung (Independent-Pro Beijing)
2012-2016: Regina Ip (New People's Party-Pro Beijing)
2012 def: Emily Lau (Democratic Party-Democracy Camp), James Tien (Liberal Party-Pro Beijing), Leung Kwok-hung (League of Social Democrats-Democracy Camp)
2016-: Anthony Wong (Independent-Democracy Camp)
2016 def: Regina Ip (NPP-Pro Beijing), James Tien (Liberal Party-Pro Beijing), Erica Yuen (People Power/LSD-Democracy Camp)

A short list depicting a world where Britain decided to increase democratic reforms in Hong Kong, China is harder hit by the 1997 Financial Crisis so it can't put pressure on Hong Kong as much until later and Anson Chan winning in 1996 allows her to implement some more democratic reforms to elect the chief executive. After a series of Democracy marches against Regina Ip who tries to turn back various reforms and laws for Beijing's favour, a new Chief Executive election occurs and actor and Pro-Democracy activist Anthony Wong wins the impromptu election.

 

[Stuyvesant]

Presidents of the United States:
1921-1923: Warren G. Harding (Republican) [404]
(with Robert M. LaFollette) def. 1920 James M. Cox (Democratic) [127]
1923-1925: Robert M. LaFollette (Republican) [273]
(with Frank T. Hines) def. 1924 Burton K. Wheeler (Democratic) [166], Frank C. Lowden (National) [92]
1925-1929: Frank T. Hines (Republican)

Basically just an idea I had of an inverted 1924, two Progressive main party candidates and a Conservative Splinter, presumably it wouldn't suddenly lurch the parties leftward, but I might continue this idea with inverting other elections.

 

[theev]

Presidents of the United States:
1921-1923: Warren G. Harding (Republican) [404]
(with Robert M. LaFollette) def. 1920 James M. Cox (Democratic) [127]
1923-1925: Robert M. LaFollette (Republican) [273]
(with Frank T. Hines) def. 1924 Burton K. Wheeler (Democratic) [166], Frank C. Lowden (National) [92]
1925-1929: Frank T. Hines (Republican)

Basically just an idea I had of an inverted 1924, two Progressive main party candidates and a Conservative Splinter, presumably it wouldn't suddenly lurch the parties leftward, but I might continue this idea with inverting other elections.

This is actually an amazing idea and I'm kind of surprised no one has thought of it yet.

 

[Elektronaut]

Hiram Johnson, surely, given he would likely have been Harding's running mate had he wanted it.

 

[Japhy]

Presidents of the United States:
1921-1923: Warren G. Harding (Republican) [404]
(with Robert M. LaFollette) def. 1920 James M. Cox (Democratic) [127]
1923-1925: Robert M. LaFollette (Republican) [273]
(with Frank T. Hines) def. 1924 Burton K. Wheeler (Democratic) [166], Frank C. Lowden (National) [92]
1925-1929: Frank T. Hines (Republican)

Basically just an idea I had of an inverted 1924, two Progressive main party candidates and a Conservative Splinter, presumably it wouldn't suddenly lurch the parties leftward, but I might continue this idea with inverting other elections.

Quite fun.

 

[Stuyvesant]

Hiram Johnson, surely, given he would likely have been Harding's running mate had he wanted it.

Fair point, It's also partly so I could have La Follette v Wheeler.

Also "dies within a few months" for maximum chaos.

 

[Time Enough]

Prime Ministers of Irish Free State/Republic:

1923-1924: W.T. Cosgrave (Cumann na nGaedheal)
1923 (Majority) def: Éamon de Valera (Republican), Denis Gorey (Farmers Party), Thomas Johnson (Labour Party)
1924-1936: Liam Tobin (Slánú Náisiúnta)
1924 (Majority) def: Eoin O'Duffy (National Party), Denis Gorey (Farmers Party)
1927 (Majority) def: Various Independents
1931 (Majority) def: Patrick Belton (Farmers League)
1935 (Majority) def: Patrick Belton (Farmers League), Gearóid Ó Cuinneagáin (Ailtirí na hAiséirghe)
1936-1940: Joseph McGrath (Slánú Náisiúnta)†
1939 (Majority) def: Patrick Belton (Farmers League), Gearóid Ó Cuinneagáin (Ailtirí na hAiséirghe)
1940-1944: Ernest Blythe (Slánú Náisiúnta)
1943: Elections Cancelled Due to War Effort
1944-1946: John Anderson-Gavin Arthur-Seán MacBride (Irish Democratic Committee)
1946-1950: James Dillon (Renua)†
1946 (Coalition with Sinn Féin) def: Seán MacBride (Daonlathaigh Shóisialta), Linda Mary MacWhinney (Sinn Féin), Nora Connolly (Irish Workers), Michael Donnellan (Clann na Talmhan), Oliver J. Flanagan (Monetary Reform Party), Sean Murray (Communist Party of Ireland), Peadar O'Donnell (Saor Éire)
1950 (Coalition with Sinn Féin) def: Seán MacBride (Daonlathaigh Shóisialta), Margaret Buckley (Sinn Féin), Nora Connolly-Rory Connolly (Irish Workers), Patrick Finucane (Clann na Talmhan), Oliver J. Flanagan (Poblacht Chríostúil), Sean Murray-Peadar O'Donnell (Saor Éire)
1950-1953: James Everett (Renua)
1953-1959: Seán MacBride (Daonlathaigh Shóisialta)
1953 (Coalition with Clann na Talmhan) def: James Everett (Renua), Margaret Buckley (Sinn Féin), Nora Connolly-Rory Connolly (Irish Workers), Patrick Finucane (Clann na Talmhan), Oliver J. Flanagan (Poblacht Chríostúil), Frank Ryan (Saor Éire)
1956 (Coalition with Clann na Talmhan) def: Mary Reynolds (Renua), Seán Lemass (Sinn Féin), Nora Connolly-Rory Connolly (Irish Workers), Patrick Finucane (Clann na Talmhan), Oliver J. Flanagan (Poblacht Chríostúil), Frank Ryan (Saor Éire)
1959-:Brendan Corish (Daonlathaigh Shóisialta)
1959 (Coalition with Irish Workers) def: Liam Cosgrave (Renua), Seán Lemass (Sinn Féin), Nora Connolly-Rory Connolly (Irish Workers), Patrick Finucane (Clann na Talmhan), Oliver J. Flanagan (Poblacht Chríostúil), Frank Ryan (Saor Éire)
1963 (Coalition with Irish Workers) def: Liam Cosgrave (Renua), Seán Lemass (Sinn Féin), Con Lehane (Irish Workers), Patrick Finucane (Clann na Talmhan), Oliver J. Flanagan (Poblacht Chríostúil), Michael O'Riordan (Saor Éire)

1924 and Liam Tobin coups W.T.Cosgrave as a reaction to Cosgrave's attempts to decrease the size of the army and creates a 'National Salvation' Government of various Nationalists, Republicans and Pro-Catholics which bans all Left Wing parties and imposes authoritarian measures across the nascent Irish Free State. The 1924 election is a sham, though popular support for Eoin O'Duffy and his National Party leads to O'Duffy being essentially disappeared by Tobin. The next 12 years essentially are Military imposed rule, with elections consisting of Government approved Candidates or Parties, the nation being reformed to something similar to a Corporatist model and Tobin even becomes friendly with the Mussolini regime whilst planning for the eventual time he can take Northern Ireland from the British. 1936 Tobin goes back to Military matters and imposes his puppet Joseph McGarth, Director of Intelligence (and head of Tobin's Secret Police) to run the nation as Prime Minister. However in the background, a conspiracy formed by Minster for the Interior Ernest Blythe, Gearóid Ó Cuinneagáin of the Ailtirí na hAiséirghe and Minister for Communication James Walsh who viewed McGarth as not pushing forward Irish values properly (evidence being McGarth not joining Italy in supplying troops to the Spanish Civil War and generally being more of a Nationalist Conservative than a Fascist for there liking). McGarth's suspicious death from a car crash in 1940 allows Ernest Blythe to take over and purge all those deemed insufficient in ideological loyalty to the Irish State and an increase in arrests of Protestants, Jews and other 'undesirables' occurs.

In late 1940, the Irish Republic joins the Axis and declares war on Britain. Despite German support, the war effort doesn't go to plan and by late 1943 British and American forces alongside the IRA manage to push the combined Irish/German force out of Northern Ireland and within a year Ernest Blythe is up against a wall and the Irish Republic has collapsed. A combined British,American and IRA committee is awkwardly created to oversee the tasks of rebuilding the country and reviving Democracy in Ireland. In 1946, with the war now over and Ireland beginning to return back to normalcy an election is called with James Dillon, a fierce critic of the Tobin/McGarth/Blythe regime becoming Prime Minister with his Renua party (a coalition of Conservatives, Liberals and Conservative Irish Labour Party members) as he enters into a coalition with the revived Sinn Féin (representing the Conservative wing of the IRA) being a coalition partner. Dillon's Paternalistic Conservative rule is about rebuilding more than anything and he handily wins the 1950 election on a 'Steady as she goes' manifesto (though the Daonlathaigh Shóisialta now having secured a footing becomes the main force of opposition to Renua with it's brand of Irish Social Democracy).

However it isn't long into his new leadership that he's assassinated by Gearóid Ó Cuinneagáin's Far Right Terrorist organisation Bráithreachas and into the breach steps James Everett, Minister for Labour. Everett's run as leader is more of the same (alongside a crackdown on the Irish Right) but delivered without the same enthusiasm and fire that Dillon had and it's unsurprising when Seán MacBride became Prime Minister in 1953. Stronger trade unions, Land Reform and implementation of a welfare state similar to the one implemented by the Attlee Government in Britain though much of MacBride's two governments is more concerned with supporting farmers and the creation of the Irish Environmental Trust and the Irish Farmer Grant scheme alongside Irish Welfare State reforms due to his coalition partner being the Populist Agrarian Left Wing party Clann na Talmhan. MacBride leaves his Prime Ministership a popular man (which would allow him to successfully become President the following year thanks to Margaret Mary Pearse stepping down) and is replaced by the more radical Brendan Corish who enters into a coalition with the Democratic Socialist/'De Leonist' Irish Workers Party and focuses on reforming the New Welfare State into a more radical Democratic Socialist angle (giving Trade Unions more power and implementing elements of Industrial Democracy) similar to his reforms of the National Health Corporation into the National Health Service (inspired by Britain's National Health Service) which allows him to reduce the attraction of the Pro-Soviet Saor Éire party.

Winning the 1963 election Brendan Corish promises to implement more change, though he's dealing with a revived Renua under Liam Cosgrave who many guess may win the next election if he plays it smart.

 

[neonduke]

You had me worried for a second that your were going to gazump me when I saw the end of the Blythe regime!

Great list

 

[Time Enough]

You had me worried for a second that your were going to gazump me when I saw the end of the Blythe regime!

Great list

Thanks, yeah seeing your stuff inspired me a bit to do an Irish list though with the jumping point being the 1924 Army Mutiny turning into a Coup leading to eventually a Social Democratic Ireland.

 

[Time Enough]

1944-1946: John Anderson-Gavin Arthur-Seán MacBride (Irish Democratic Committee)

Just a quick note on this bit because I didn’t particularly discuss it much but the figures in this are John Anderson, the Chancellor of the Exchequer in Churchill’s wartime cabinet but also was know a bit for his work as Home Secretary as well. Much of his work in the committee was signing of changes and helping overseeing the rebuilding of Ireland’s economy and housing. He’s there to represent the British occupation forces.

Gavin Arthur or Chester A.Arthur III is an interesting man, reading up on him is an experience and a half. He was also a passionate Progressive/Utopian and had supported the IRA in the early 20s and in this universe probably continued that support against Tobin’s and other’s dictatorship. He’s chosen as the American representative and his thing his helping rebuild Ireland’s democracy and help the reformation of the nation from it’s bombed out state.

Seán MacBride is the IRA representative who helped take power in the last months of the war. Mainly there to give the IRA and his comrades legitimacy in any new government.