Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

[theev]

Joker

1966-1970: Abraham Beame (Democratic)
1965 def. John Lindsay (Republican), William F. Buckley (Conservative)
1970-1974: John J. Marchi (Republican)
1969 def. Abraham Beame (Democratic), Norman Mailer (Liberal)
1974-1982: Mario Biaggi (Democratic)
1973 def. John J. Marchi (Republican), Bella Abzug (Liberal)
1977 def. Barry Farber (Republican), Michael Rockefeller (Independent)
1982-1990: Ed Koch (Democratic)
1981 def. Mario Biaggi (Conservative), Roy M. Goodman (Republican)
1985 def. Ronald Lauder (Republican)
1990-2003: Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
1989 def. Andrew Stein (Democratic)
1993 def. Harrison J. Goldin (Democratic)
1997 def. Al Sharpton (Democratic)
2001 def. Alan Hevesi (Democratic)
2003-2010: Rudy Giuliani (Independent)
2005 def. Anthony Weiner (Democratic), Christopher X. Broduer (Green), Tom Ognibene (Conservative)
2010-2018: Bill De Blasio (Democratic)
2009 def. Rudy Giuliani (Independent)
2013 def. Rudy Giuliani (Republican), Jimmy McMillan (The Rent Is Too Damn High)
2018-0000: Bruce Rockefeller (Independent)
2017 def. Adolfo Carrion Jr. (Democratic), Kelsey Grammer (Conservative), Randy Credico (Green)

Following 1977's general unrest over income inequality and the city's budget crisis, it was largely assumed that Mayor Mario Biaggi was finished, especially with the recent entrance of Independent candidate Michael Rockefeller. At least that was until the assassination of Johnny Carson on live television by failed singer-songwriter John Hinkley Jr., which was followed by a night of rioting that ended with the shooting death of Michael Rockefeller.

NYC's urban unease would continue into the 80s, even as the reigns of power were handed over to Ed Koch. In 1985, college-age billionaire heir Bruce Rockefeller would strike an open alliance with the city's new DA, Rudy "Two-Face" Giuliani in an effort to support public-private partnerships that would benefit the city and lower skyrocketing crime rates. 1985 would also see the appearance of the vigilante Batman who, following the 1985 Subway Murders, patrolled the NYC subway at night beating up alleged criminals and suspicious individuals. Giuliani saw a sky-rocketing conviction rate, partially assisted by evidence provided by the Batman.

After Giuliani's election to Mayor in 1989, the NYPD would openly associate and work with the Batman, a tactic partially inspired by both the ties Batman formed with Giuliani in previous years and its ability to act as a scare tactic. While the New York Police Department and the Batman engaged in controversial tactics to lower crime in NYC, Mayor Giuliani and Bruce Rockefeller worked above-the-board to re-establish the Mayor's office over a still very chaotic city. In the 90s, New York City was dominated by Mayor Giuliani, Police Commissioner Bratton, Bruce Rockefeller, and the Batman.

Giuliani and Rockefeller would very publicly break in 2004, shortly after a failed assassination attempt on Giuliani that left him partially disfigured. In 2005, the Batman would return to ostracization from law enforcement efforts as he publicly sided with fired police whistleblower detective James Gordon. Although both Rockefeller and Batman would find themselves once again on the inside in 2010 after their public backing of new Mayor Bill De Blasio and the NYPD, respectively, amidst the city's coping with the Great Recession. Despite promises of reforms, the NYPD would continue to abuse and brutalize New Yorkers under De Blasio's watch. This could not be more apparent than during the 2012 "Bane" Riots, which ended in thousands injured and scores killed by an out-of-control and fully militarized New York City police force. De Blasio would limp into a second term regardless of the police controversy, however.

Now in 2020, Mayor Bruce Rockefeller struggles to set New York City on the right track. Since the disappearance of the Batman in 2013, many feel that the city has lost a unifying symbol. Additionally, as calls for police reform and defunding grow citywide, the Mayor struggles with the idea of profoundly changing an institution that he largely ran on defending. Time will tell if Mayor Rockefeller will move with the tide or fight against it.

 

[Turquoise Blue]

"For God, King and Labour!"
Ramsay MacDonald (Labour -- Aberavon) 1923-1929 [Status: Labour minority with Liberal supply and confidence]
Leo Amery (Conservative -- Birmingham Sparkbrook) 1929-1934 [Status: Conservative majority]
Philip Snowden (Labour -- Colne Valley) 1934-1937 [Status: Labour majority, then minority with Liberal support]
Harold Nicolson (King's Man (Labour) -- Leicester West) 1937-1947 [Status: Labour minority with Liberal support, then 'Royal Government']
Malcolm MacDonald (King's Man (Labour) -- Bassetlaw) 1947-1956 [Status: 'Royal Government']
Harold Macmillan (King's Man (Conservative) -- Stockton-on-Tees) 1956-1962 [Status: 'Royal Government']
Herbrand Sackville, 9th Earl De La Warr (King's Man (Labour) -- House of Lords) 1962-1966 [Status: 'Royal Government']
Alfred Robens (King's Man (Labour) -- Blyth) 1966-1974 [Status: 'Royal Government']
Roy Jenkins (Social Alliance (Liberal) -- Solihull) 1974-? [Status: Liberal-Reform 'Social Alliance' majority]

'Labour Party disbands', The Guardian (1979)
The paternalist-dominated 'socialist' Labour Party, the main hub of Edward VIII's so-called 'Royal Government' that held a death's grasp on democracy and free speech in Britain for decades, has finally disbanded due to bankruptcy. Its seventy MPs are expected to merge into the recent rebranding of the Conservative Party [the other half of the 'Royal Government'], the National Progressive Union.

Some might wonder, where did the Labour Party go wrong? Perhaps the rot was there from the start, with many Labour politicians being too willing to defer to tradition. And the corrosive influence of Oswald Mosley and his protege Alf Robens cannot be dismissed either. While the former was Chancellor for a decade and a half, he never acquired enough clout to be Prime Minister while the least said about the later's time in leadership, the better, they had an outsized pull on the party as a whole and managed to win the internal fight. There was just too much people willing to side with Mosley and his radical proposals to combat the arguments that he was against core Labour values of workers' power.

Perhaps if the King had a less favourable situation, perhaps if he tried to marry that divorcee there was rumours about, perhaps, perhaps. But all we know is that it took great effort on the part of Queen Elizabeth to get Britain to vote 54-46 to maintain the monarchy last year. There will never be an unquestioning deference to a monarch ever again. The era of Labour Absolutism is over.

[Decided to do this thing going off the mention of a pay-walled article suggesting that there were Labour elements that were pro-King in the Abdication Crisis, as a nice twist on 'King Edward VIII is still king' that avoids the cliche fash bit. He does marry, but has no kids, so it still goes to Elizabeth].

 

[Mumby]

Nye Bevan wanted to support the King but solely as a means to divide the National Government.

 

[Mumby]

Slow Motion Civil War

2017-2021: Donald Trump (Republican)
2016 (with Mike Pence) def. Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2020; disputed
2021-2023: Joe Biden (Democratic)
2020 (with Susan Rice) def. Donald Trump (Republican), Howie Hawkins (Green)
2023-2029: Susan Rice (Democratic)
2024 (with Mitt Romney) def. Donald Trump Jr. (Republican), Rod Dreher (Christian Union)
2029-0000: Pete Buttigieg (Democratic)
2028 (with George T. Conway III) def. Elon Musk (Independent), Jesus Christ (Christian Union), various Leftist candidacies, Stephen Miller (Republican)
2032 (with George T. Conway III) def. Peter Thiel (The Republicans)
2034; Declaration of State of Emergency

Simple idea here. After Trump loses (not without a fight, the electoral college is exceedingly close and Trump alleges that his defeat was rigged to very end), the Republican Party effectively breaks. Rod Dreher's 'Benedict Option' gets teeth after 2020 - a combination of the Supreme Court going 'yes, you have to treat trans people like humans' and the election being 'stolen' from Trump. The Christian Union Party is essentially just a front organisation for a web of autonomous Christian communities that emerge over the course of the 2020s. This is joined by an increasing proliferation of Autonomous Zone a la the CHAZ in cities. Slowly, it becomes clear that between the Autonomous Zones and the Benedictine Communities the main demographic still actually participating in electoral politics are the suburbs - which since the collapse of the Republicans, have been almost entirely consolidated under the Democrats.

The main opposition to the Democrats become personality driven corporatist vehicles - reaching its apotheosis in Peter Thiel, who essentially purchases a moribund GOP and makes it his creature in 2032. He comes the closest since Trump The First to ending Democratic domination, as the children who have known virtually no other life than that of the Zones and Communities mature and have no interest in irrelevant electoralism. By 2033 it is clear the authority of Federal and certain State governments has virtually collapsed. Swathes of legislators don't take their seats in Congress, instead simply winning election to stand as spokespeople for their communities. An attempt at a Constitutional Convention is astoundingly poorly attended.

also features; the state of Greater Idaho (coastline included), the states of New York City, Chicago and Philadelphia, and the break up of California.

 

[Thande]

7/10 no Boateng

Nice job.

Did seriously consider him as an option, but felt it had been done before.

The parties in more recent times have shown they're totally willing to elect leaders in opposition who have pretty much only just got there, relatively speaking. Starmer has only been there five years and Cameron had only been in parliament four. There's still a clear distinction between a party making a leader in government where the parties have always gone for someone who's been in one of the big jobs and almost always a known quantity for years, bar Major.

One easy trick (which I overuse no end in these lists) is just 'the 1990s-2010s, but without the cult of youth and that kind of thing' just because it produces such strange-looking alternate Britains if our political leaders are in more the equivalent age group that they were in the 70s and 80s.

 

[iupius]

Jesus Christ (Christian Union)

Amazing.

 

[Time Enough]

First Ministers of the Scottish Parliament:

1916-1920: Eugene Wason (Liberal)
1916 (Majority) def: Sir John Gilmour (Unionist), William Adamson (Labour Party), Cunninghame Graham (Scottish Party)
1920-1926: Donald Maclean (Liberal)
1920 (Majority) def: John Baird (Unionist), William Adamson (Pàrtaidh Làbarach), John Maclean (Scottish Socialist Party), Cunninghame Graham (Scottish Party)
1924 (Coalition with Pàrtaidh Làbarach) def: John Baird (Unionist), William Adamson (Pàrtaidh Làbarach), John Maclean (SSP),Cunninghame Graham (Scottish Party)
1926-1930: John Baird (Unionist)
1926 (Majority) def: William Adamson (Pàrtaidh Làbarach), Donald Maclean (Liberal), John Maclean (SSP)
1930-1938: Tom Johnston (Pàrtaidh Làbarach)
1930 (Majority) def: John Baird (Unionist), James Henderson-Stewart (Liberal), J. T. Murphy (SSP), William Weir Gilmour (Scottish Democratic Futurist Party)
1934 (Majority) def: James Stuart (Unionist), James Henderson-Stewart (Liberal), J. T. Murphy (SSP), William Weir Gilmour (SDFP)
1938-1946: John MacCormick (National, then War Goverment)
1938 ('National' Coupon) def: Tom Johnston (Pàrtaidh Làbarach), James Stuart (Ind. Unionist), J. T. Murphy (SSP), William Weir Gilmour (SDFP)
1942 ('War' Goverment) def: Tom Johnston (Pàrtaidh Làbarach), James Stuart (Ind. Unionist), J. T. Murphy (SSP), Catherine Williamson (CommonWealth)
1946-1950: Tom Johnston (Pàrtaidh Làbarach)
1946 (Coalition with SSP) def: John MacCormick (National), James Stuart (Ind. Unionist), Annie Maxton (SSP), Roland Muirhead (CommonWealth)
1950-1958: Peggy Herbison (Pàrtaidh Làbarach)
1950 (Majority) def: John MacCormick (National), James Stuart (New Unionist), Annie Maxton (SSP), Roland Muirhead (CommonWealth), William Weir Gilmour (Scottish Social Credit)
1954 (Majority) def: John Bannerman (National), James Stuart (New Unionist), Annie Maxton (SSP), George McLeod (CommonWealth), William Weir Gilmour (SSC)
1958-1962: John Bannerman (National)
1958 (Majority) def: Peggy Herbison (Pàrtaidh Làbarach), James Stuart (New Unionist), Margaret Hunter (SSP), William Weir Gilmour (SSC)
1962-:Myer Galpern (Pàrtaidh Làbarach)
1962 (Coalition with SSP) def: John Bannerman (National), Alec Douglas-Home (New Unionist), Margaret Hunter (SSP), William Weir Gilmour (SSC)
1966 (Majority) def: Laura Grimond (National), Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist), Margaret Hunter (SSP), William Weir Gilmour (SSC)

So World War 1 doesn't really occur (mainly an Eastern Europe conflict occurs, again) and after a number of back and forth moments, Irish and then Scottish Home Rule is organised. For the first ten years, the Parliament is dominated by the Liberals who slowly slid into irrelevance as Scottish workers and trade unions become more angry and progressive the Labour Party (now going by it's Scottish Gaelic name) gains on the Liberal vote, which causes the first Unionist Government to occur. But when the the depression hits there quickly voted out and replaced by the Labour Party, lead by Tom Johnston. He does his best to implement Kenyesian and Co-Operative style with the the limited resources he has. He manages to do well, but he can't compete against the force that is the National Party, a collection of Scottish Nationalists, former Liberals, Social Conservatives and even some Conservative Labour MPs. John MacCormick's Government is one of Paternalistic Conservatism alongside Free Trade policies, however when Britain enters into War with the German Empire in 1941 it gets changed to a War Government of all the major parties (this helps the establishment of the Chritisian Socialist CommonWealth Party and helps the Marxist-'Deleonist' Scottish Socialist Party gain seats).

This last until 1946, when Labour manages to win the election with minority control. Johnston enters into a coalition with the SSP and attempts to bring about things like Industrial Democracy and Syndicalist policies. But Johnston is now older and tireder than his halcyon days of the 30s so just before the next election he agress to be replaced by a bright new leader. Peggy Herbison, Chancellor of the Exchequer for the 1946 Government wins the leadership contest against the more conservative Willie Ross and implements a more radical vision of Scottish Social Democracy to knock the SSP out. She manages to do this and the next 8 years are about implementing 'Scottish Social Democracy' which she partially achieves; a welfare state, strong trade unions, nationalised companies and a variety of Co-Operative societies and business appear. Still eventually things come to an end, John Bannerman manages to get in on a rather Populist campaign of Radical Centrism of sorts and upon getting into office, doesn't do much apart from awkward denationalisation here and there. This turns out poorly when a recession hits and Bannerman is the one holding the bag, he loses to Myer Galpern, a radical member of the Scottish Labour Party and it's first Jewish MSP who promises to achieve worker owned business and a national health care system over the Scottish Health Corporation established by Johnston. By 1966 he's secured a second term and things are looking decent for Scotland and it's next fifty years.

 

[Thande]

List of Presidents of the United States since 1900
1897-1901: William McKinley† (Republican)
1896 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1900 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1904 def: Alton B. Parker (Democratic)
1909-1913: William Howard Taft (Republican)
1908 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1913-1917: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1912 def: Champ Clark (Democratic), William Howard Taft (Republican), Eugene V. Debs (Socialist)
1913: Constitutional Amendment XVI: Federal income tax reform
1916: Constitutional Amendment XVII: Direct election of U.S. Senators
1917-1921: Hiram Johnson (Progressive)
1916 def: Lewis S. Chanler (Democratic), Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican), James H. Maurer (Socialist)
1919: Constitutional Amendment XVIII: Female suffrage
1921-1925: Frank O. Lowden (Republican)
1920 def: Hiram Johnson (Progressive), Atlee Pomerene (Northern Democratic), M. Hoke Smith (Southern Democratic), Emil Seidel (Socialist)
1921: Constitutional Amendment XIX: Prohibition of hard liquor/strong alcoholic drinks
1925-1928: Robert M. La Follette Sr.† (Progressive)
1924 def: Frank O. Lowden (Republican), Eugene V. Debs (Socialist), Ellison D. Smith (Southern Democratic), Royal S. Copeland (Northern Democratic)
1928-1929: Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive)
1929-1944: Huey Long† (National Action)
1928 def: William H. Thompson (Republican), Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive), Vito Marcantonio (Socialist)
1930: Constitutional Amendment XX: Centralisation of presidential power; repeal of XVII Amendment; reform of Supreme Court
1932 def: John J. Pershing (Republican), Robert M. La Follette Jr. (Progressive), various write-in votes for banned parties
1936 def: Herbert Hoover (United for Freedom, campaigned in absentia from exile)
1940 def: (officially unopposed)
1944-1945: Adm. Ernest King (independent, military caretaker)
1945-1953: Herbert Hoover (Progressive)
1944 def: Norman Thomas (Socialist), Arthur B. Langlie (Republican), various minor candidates
1945: Constitutional Amendment XXI: Repeal of XX Amendment; President limited to a single six-year term without re-election
1948 def: Upton Sinclair (Socialist), Roscoe H. Patterson (Republican), Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (States' Rights)
1953-1959: Daniel Hoan (Socialist)
1952 def: Earl Warren (Progressive), Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican), Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (States' Rights)
1957: Constitutional Amendment XXII: Voting rights guarantee and enforcement; permits statehood for DC
1959-1965: Earl Warren (Progressive)
1958 def: J. Sherwood Dixon (Republican), Stephen Emery (Socialist) following contingent vote in House of Representatives
1965-1971: Walter Judd (Republican)
1964 def: Hugh Scott (Progressive), Georgia Cozzini (Socialist) following contingent vote in House of Representatives
1971-1972: Mark Hatfield (Progressive); resigned following exposure of the Turno Pacifico scandal
1970 def: Georgia Cozzini (Socialist), Paul Laxalt (Republican)
1972-1973: Richard Schweiker (Progressive, caretaker)
1972: Constitutional Amendment XXIII: Allows for an early presidential election to be called on three-quarter majority vote of Congress
1973-1979: Georgia Cozzini (Socialist)
1972 def: Richard Nixon (Republican), Pete McCloskey (Progressive)
1974: Constitutional Amendment XXIV: Abolishes electoral college in favour of a two-round runoff system
1979-1985: Eugene McCarthy (Socialist)
1978 def: John B. Anderson (New Conservative), Richard B. Ogilvie (Continuity Progressive), Max Rafferty (Continuity Republican)
1985-1991: Lowell Weicker (New Conservative)
1984 def: Jarvis Tyner (Socialist)
1991-1997: Bernard Sanders (Socialist)
1990 def: Pete Wilson (New Conservative)
1997-2003: George Pataki (New Conservative)
1996 def: David McReynolds (Socialist)
2003-2009: Joshua Javits (Socialist)
2002 def: Jim Jeffords (New Conservative)
2009-2017: Barack Obama (Democratic)
2008 def: John McCain (Republican)
2012 def: W. Mitt Romney (Republican)



I'm not sorry.

 

[Bolt451]

Slow Motion Civil War

2017-2021: Donald Trump (Republican)
2016 (with Mike Pence) def. Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2020; disputed
2021-2023: Joe Biden (Democratic)
2020 (with Susan Rice) def. Donald Trump (Republican), Howie Hawkins (Green)
2023-2029: Susan Rice (Democratic)
2024 (with Mitt Romney) def. Donald Trump Jr. (Republican), Rod Dreher (Christian Union)
2029-0000: Pete Buttigieg (Democratic)
2028 (with George T. Conway III) def. Elon Musk (Independent), Jesus Christ (Christian Union), various Leftist candidacies, Stephen Miller (Republican)
2032 (with George T. Conway III) def. Peter Thiel (The Republicans)
2034; Declaration of State of Emergency

Simple idea here. After Trump loses (not without a fight, the electoral college is exceedingly close and Trump alleges that his defeat was rigged to very end), the Republican Party effectively breaks. Rod Dreher's 'Benedict Option' gets teeth after 2020 - a combination of the Supreme Court going 'yes, you have to treat trans people like humans' and the election being 'stolen' from Trump. The Christian Union Party is essentially just a front organisation for a web of autonomous Christian communities that emerge over the course of the 2020s. This is joined by an increasing proliferation of Autonomous Zone a la the CHAZ in cities. Slowly, it becomes clear that between the Autonomous Zones and the Benedictine Communities the main demographic still actually participating in electoral politics are the suburbs - which since the collapse of the Republicans, have been almost entirely consolidated under the Democrats.

The main opposition to the Democrats become personality driven corporatist vehicles - reaching its apotheosis in Peter Thiel, who essentially purchases a moribund GOP and makes it his creature in 2032. He comes the closest since Trump The First to ending Democratic domination, as the children who have known virtually no other life than that of the Zones and Communities mature and have no interest in irrelevant electoralism. By 2033 it is clear the authority of Federal and certain State governments has virtually collapsed. Swathes of legislators don't take their seats in Congress, instead simply winning election to stand as spokespeople for their communities. An attempt at a Constitutional Convention is astoundingly poorly attended.

also features; the state of Greater Idaho (coastline included), the states of New York City, Chicago and Philadelphia, and the break up of California.

I didn't know about the Benedictine option until now.

I really like this idea Bob... As fiction

 

[Mumby]

I didn't know about the Benedictine option until now.

I really like this idea Bob... As fiction

yeah rod dreher is definitely... something

 

[Nyvis]

List of Presidents of the United States since 1900
1897-1901: William McKinley† (Republican)
1896 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1900 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1904 def: Alton B. Parker (Democratic)
1909-1913: William Howard Taft (Republican)
1908 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1913-1917: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1912 def: Champ Clark (Democratic), William Howard Taft (Republican), Eugene V. Debs (Socialist)
1913: Constitutional Amendment XVI: Federal income tax reform
1916: Constitutional Amendment XVII: Direct election of U.S. Senators
1917-1921: Hiram Johnson (Progressive)
1916 def: Lewis S. Chanler (Democratic), Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican), James H. Maurer (Socialist)
1919: Constitutional Amendment XVIII: Female suffrage
1921-1925: Frank O. Lowden (Republican)
1920 def: Hiram Johnson (Progressive), Atlee Pomerene (Northern Democratic), M. Hoke Smith (Southern Democratic), Emil Seidel (Socialist)
1921: Constitutional Amendment XIX: Prohibition of hard liquor/strong alcoholic drinks
1925-1928: Robert M. La Follette Sr.† (Progressive)
1924 def: Frank O. Lowden (Republican), Eugene V. Debs (Socialist), Ellison D. Smith (Southern Democratic), Royal S. Copeland (Northern Democratic)
1928-1929: Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive)
1929-1944: Huey Long† (National Action)
1928 def: William H. Thompson (Republican), Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive), Vito Marcantonio (Socialist)
1930: Constitutional Amendment XX: Centralisation of presidential power; repeal of XVII Amendment; reform of Supreme Court
1932 def: John J. Pershing (Republican), Robert M. La Follette Jr. (Progressive), various write-in votes for banned parties
1936 def: Herbert Hoover (United for Freedom, campaigned in absentia from exile)
1940 def: (officially unopposed)
1944-1945: Adm. Ernest King (independent, military caretaker)
1945-1953: Herbert Hoover (Progressive)
1944 def: Norman Thomas (Socialist), Arthur B. Langlie (Republican), various minor candidates
1945: Constitutional Amendment XXI: Repeal of XX Amendment; President limited to a single six-year term without re-election
1948 def: Upton Sinclair (Socialist), Roscoe H. Patterson (Republican), Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (States' Rights)
1953-1959: Daniel Hoan (Socialist)
1952 def: Earl Warren (Progressive), Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican), Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (States' Rights)
1957: Constitutional Amendment XXII: Voting rights guarantee and enforcement; permits statehood for DC
1959-1965: Earl Warren (Progressive)
1958 def: J. Sherwood Dixon (Republican), Stephen Emery (Socialist) following contingent vote in House of Representatives
1965-1971: Walter Judd (Republican)
1964 def: Hugh Scott (Progressive), Georgia Cozzini (Socialist) following contingent vote in House of Representatives
1971-1972: Mark Hatfield (Progressive); resigned following exposure of the Turno Pacifico scandal
1970 def: Georgia Cozzini (Socialist), Paul Laxalt (Republican)
1972-1973: Richard Schweiker (Progressive, caretaker)
1972: Constitutional Amendment XXIII: Allows for an early presidential election to be called on three-quarter majority vote of Congress
1973-1979: Georgia Cozzini (Socialist)
1972 def: Richard Nixon (Republican), Pete McCloskey (Progressive)
1974: Constitutional Amendment XXIV: Abolishes electoral college in favour of a two-round runoff system
1979-1985: Eugene McCarthy (Socialist)
1978 def: John B. Anderson (New Conservative), Richard B. Ogilvie (Continuity Progressive), Max Rafferty (Continuity Republican)
1985-1991: Lowell Weicker (New Conservative)
1984 def: Jarvis Tyner (Socialist)
1991-1997: Bernard Sanders (Socialist)
1990 def: Pete Wilson (New Conservative)
1997-2003: George Pataki (New Conservative)
1996 def: David McReynolds (Socialist)
2003-2009: Joshua Javits (Socialist)
2002 def: Jim Jeffords (New Conservative)
2009-2017: Barack Obama (Democratic)
2008 def: John McCain (Republican)
2012 def: W. Mitt Romney (Republican)



I'm not sorry.

What happens here in the last election, to bring back the democratic party? Otherwise pretty excellent list!

 

[Kaiser Julius]

What happens here in the last election, to bring back the democratic party? Otherwise pretty excellent list!

That's the joke.

 

[Thande]

What happens here in the last election, to bring back the democratic party? Otherwise pretty excellent list!

That's the joke.

Basically there's a running joke on the other place that a poster who shall not be named finished every list with Obama being elected in 2008, no matter how much it had diverged before that. I wanted to do a reference to that, and because I will always put way more effort into things for the sake of a joke than warranted, I ended up doing a scenario which changed the US political landscape beyond recognition as much as possible to emphasise the silliness of it.

 

[Kaiser Julius]

I will always put way more effort into things for the sake of a joke than warranted

Car, Where's My Dude? Are you a Bad enough Duke to rescue the President?

 

[Nyvis]

Basically there's a running joke on the other place that a poster who shall not be named finished every list with Obama being elected in 2008, no matter how much it had diverged before that. I wanted to do a reference to that, and because I will always put way more effort into things for the sake of a joke than warranted, I ended up doing a scenario which changed the US political landscape beyond recognition as much as possible to emphasise the silliness of it.

Eggs on my face and all that

I wouldn't mind hearing more about that scenario, it looks pretty interesting.

 

[napoleon IV]

Basically there's a running joke on the other place that a poster who shall not be named finished every list with Obama being elected in 2008, no matter how much it had diverged before that. I wanted to do a reference to that, and because I will always put way more effort into things for the sake of a joke than warranted, I ended up doing a scenario which changed the US political landscape beyond recognition as much as possible to emphasise the silliness of it.

POD: A meteor doesn't hit Earth and dinosaurs survive to the present day. The list ends with Barack Obamasaurus becoming President of the United Saurians of America.

 

[Thande]

Car, Where's My Dude? Are you a Bad enough Duke to rescue the President?

Exactly. In the latter case I even had to completely throw out a whole section of continuity because I accidentally wrote two different multi-post lead-ups to that joke and duplicated a character bio.

Eggs on my face and all that

I wouldn't mind hearing more about that scenario, it looks pretty interesting.

Nah, never your fault if you don't know an obscure running gag!

I kept it deliberately vague, but it's playing on ideas others have previously posted about the Republican/Progressive split coupled to the OTL Republican dominance of the 1920s reducing the Democrats to virtually a southern-interests party only, and then a Huey Long Depression dictatorship discredits even that while empowering the Socialists as a third force. (I was thinking of how the Communists in France benefited from being seen to be a major force of opposition to Vichy/the Occupation). Then the scandal in the 1970s happens because, after one Socialist victory, it turns out the Republicans and Progressives had been conspiring to force every election to the House and vote for each others' candidate in turn (hence the Turno Pacifico comparison to 19th century Spain) in order to deny the Socialists another victory. This predictably ruins both of the right-wing parties and leads to a period of Socialist dominance. (I went for a bit of irony where Nixon is the idealistic outsider who almost manages to keep his party viable in the wake of a 1970s scandal that robs the public of confidence in politicians...) The other bit of irony, inspired by real events in places like Maine and Australia, is that as soon as they implement a French two-round system, the country turns into a two-party setup so it never actually needs the second round anyway. As of the end of the century, the US has an economic consensus that lies to the left of OTL's, in part because the former Progressive strand of thought has tended to dominate over the Republican one in the New Conservative party, and the Socialists are a credible party of government. However, the states are also more powerful relative to the federal government due to lingering suspicion after the Long dictatorship's centralisation of power.

 

[Nyvis]

I kept it deliberately vague, but it's playing on ideas others have previously posted about the Republican/Progressive split coupled to the OTL Republican dominance of the 1920s reducing the Democrats to virtually a southern-interests party only, and then a Huey Long Depression dictatorship discredits even that while empowering the Socialists as a third force. (I was thinking of how the Communists in France benefited from being seen to be a major force of opposition to Vichy/the Occupation). Then the scandal in the 1970s happens because, after one Socialist victory, it turns out the Republicans and Progressives had been conspiring to force every election to the House and vote for each others' candidate in turn (hence the Turno Pacifico comparison to 19th century Spain) in order to deny the Socialists another victory. This predictably ruins both of the right-wing parties and leads to a period of Socialist dominance. (I went for a bit of irony where Nixon is the idealistic outsider who almost manages to keep his party viable in the wake of a 1970s scandal that robs the public of confidence in politicians...) The other bit of irony, inspired by real events in places like Maine and Australia, is that as soon as they implement a French two-round system, the country turns into a two-party setup so it never actually needs the second round anyway. As of the end of the century, the US has an economic consensus that lies to the left of OTL's, in part because the former Progressive strand of thought has tended to dominate over the Republican one in the New Conservative party, and the Socialists are a credible party of government. However, the states are also more powerful relative to the federal government due to lingering suspicion after the Long dictatorship's centralisation of power.

That sounds pretty cool. There's no socialist/communist split to create trouble for them? How much are the socialists able to do in government and do they end up drifting to the center like socialist parties who did in Europe? I could see them doing so less quickly with no communist to their left.

I'm always fond of interesting alternative approaches for the left. The US had a lot of potential for that which was lost around the 2&3 internationale split and the various wartime repressions.

 

[Thande]

That sounds pretty cool. There's no socialist/communist split to create trouble for them? How much are the socialists able to do in government and do they end up drifting to the center like socialist parties who did in Europe? I could see them doing so less quickly with no communist to their left.

I'm always fond of interesting alternative approaches for the left. The US had a lot of potential for that which was lost around the 2&3 internationale split and the various wartime repressions.

One of the things I was keeping vague is exactly what happened with WW1 and the Russian Revolution, which somewhat gives one a get-out-of-jail-free card to handwave things like the socialist/communist split. I was thinking they become a bit more establishmentarian in power but the bigger effect is being hamstrung by the federal government being weakened in reaction to the Long dictatorship. (I guess this was slightly inspired by @Meadow 's description in The People's Flag of how the ability of revolutionary leftism to change a state was inherently weakened by it usually being combined with a desire for decentralisation).

 

[Nyvis]

One of the things I was keeping vague is exactly what happened with WW1 and the Russian Revolution, which somewhat gives one a get-out-of-jail-free card to handwave things like the socialist/communist split. I was thinking they become a bit more establishmentarian in power but the bigger effect is being hamstrung by the federal government being weakened in reaction to the Long dictatorship. (I guess this was slightly inspired by @Meadow 's description in The People's Flag of how the ability of revolutionary leftism to change a state was inherently weakened by it usually being combined with a desire for decentralisation).

I wonder, though... Could you get some solidly socialist state governments and exploit how much power they have in the US system (doubly so here) to do quite a bit? OTL they never reached that critical mass, but a lot of socialist support was geographically concentrated.

On the other hand, US state borders tend to be monstrosities with a bunch of rural lands tacked onto cities and balancing them so that could make for some interesting internal opposition.