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Whilst this is treading into personal territory for me, I would question Black's successor as leader of the PSP depending on how far to the left the party now is.
(Vague idea because this was only partially planned) The PSP is very ‘Labour Left’ and further in terms of ideology with the SSP first being in electoral alliance and then eventually joining the PSP (though still independent in way similar to the Co-Op Party).


Róisín McLaren is voted in for a number of reasons, particularly the rise of the Far Right in Scotland and the need for a Radical Left Wing Scottish Nationalist Party to face that (and her opponents being a bit limp). Hence McLaren being leader (and also why the SNP kind of just disappears, it’s a bit useless in the age of Radical politics).
 
(Vague idea because this was only partially planned) The PSP is very ‘Labour Left’ and further in terms of ideology with the SSP first being in electoral alliance and then eventually joining the PSP (though still independent in way similar to the Co-Op Party).


Róisín McLaren is voted in for a number of reasons, particularly the rise of the Far Right in Scotland and the need for a Radical Left Wing Scottish Nationalist Party to face that (and her opponents being a bit limp). Hence McLaren being leader (and also why the SNP kind of just disappears, it’s a bit useless in the age of Radical politics).
She's more than just radical in her politics; she's very much a Marxist and into revolutionary theory, largely subscribing to Trotskyist theory on a more specific level. I'd argue that the SSP is also more on the far-left than radical left these days as well. However, I don't want to derail the thread or anything with this either; I knew her very well until recently (She's my ex-fiancee, in truth) and there's a strange mix of feelings about seeing her name on a list at this time. I probably shouldn't have said anything to begin with; my apologies for that.
 

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She's more than just radical in her politics; she's very much a Marxist and into revolutionary theory, largely subscribing to Trotskyist theory on a more specific level. I'd argue that the SSP is also more on the far-left than radical left these days as well. However, I don't want to derail the thread or anything with this either; I knew her very well until recently (She's my ex-fiancee, in truth) and there's a strange mix of feelings about seeing her name on a list at this time. I probably shouldn't have said anything to begin with; my apologies for that.
Oh boy.

Hmm, well if you know any good Young Scottish Radical Left but not Marxist Left folks then I can change it (don’t have to have a list with a decrepit leader of a party, I feel like I pushed it with George Galloway).
 

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Right just to get things back on track, another RNG List. Things get weird quickly:

The Middle Way, All The Way: A Randomly Generated List:

1960-1964: Roy Jenkins (Labour)
1960 (Majority) def: Harold MacMillian (Conservative), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1964-1966: Keith Joseph (Conservative)
1964 (Coalition with Liberal) def: Roy Jenkins (Labour), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1966-1972: Ian Gilmour (New Democratic)
1966 (New Democratic Coalition) def: Ian Gilmour (New Democratic), Micheal Foot (Labour), Jo Grimond (Liberal), Harold Wilson (Democratic Labour), Keith Joseph (Conservative)
1970 (Majority) def: Ian Mikardo (Labour), Eric Lubbock (New Liberal), Keith Joseph (Conservative), William Wolfe (SNP), Gwynfor Evans (Plaid Cymru)

1972: Ted Heath (New Democratic)
1972-1975: Barbara Castle (Labour)
1972 (Coalition with SNP & SLP) def: Ted Heath (New Democratic), Keith Joseph (Conservative), John Pardoe (New Liberal), William Wolfe (SNP), Jim Sillars (SLP), Gwynfor Evans (Plaid Cymru), John Tyndall (New Britain)
1975-1979: Harold Wilson (New Democratic)
1975 (Majority) def: Barbara Castle (Labour), Keith Joseph (Conservative), John Pardoe (New Liberal), William Wolfe (SNP), Jim Sillars (SLP), Gwynfor Evans (Plaid Cymru), John Tyndall (New Britain)
1979-1983: Eric Heffer (Labour)
1979 (Majority) def: Harold Wilson (New Democratic), Nigel Lawson (Conservative), Clement Freud (New Liberal), Gordon Wilson (SNP), Jim Sillars (SLP), Gwynfor Evans (Plaid Cymru), John Tyndall (New Britain)
1983-1988: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1983 (Majority) def: Nicholas Scott (New Democratic), Nigel Lawson (Conservative), Clement Freud (New Liberal), Gordon Wilson (SNP), Maria Fyfe (SLP), Dafydd Elis-Thomas (Plaid Cymru)
1988-1990: Micheal Heseltine (New Democratic)
1988 (Majority) def: Neil Kinnock (Labour), John Redwood (Conservative), Micheal Meadowcroft (New Liberal), Margo MacDonald (SNP), Maria Fyfe (SLP), Dafydd Elis-Thomas (Plaid Cymru)
1990-: David Owen (New Democratic)

Essentially the Liberal Labour rule of Roy Jenkins is viewed as a step to far by many which leads to Keith Joseph getting in thanks to a coalition with the Liberals. This doesn’t work out and a group of likeminded (and in some cases a lust for power) means that the New Democratic Coalition is formed out of various Conservative, Liberal and Labour folk. This shatters much of the old party structure (though Labour manages to resist the worst of the fallout and rapidly pivots Left to not get left behind). And so the Middle Way era begins (with a brief Barbara Castle break) until Harold Wilson bottles it as his increasing paranoia and creeping Alzheimer’s catches up with him. Eric Heffer wins the 1979 election and begins the Democratic Socialisation of Britain but is forced to quit due to health concerns. His trusted Home Secretary and Tribunist Neil Kinnock continues Heffer’s plans as well as increasing rights for minorities and increased devolution.

Micheal Heseltine just manages to scrap in with a majority in 1988 but his cool relationship with his Cabinet and some blunders leads to him being replaced with the more reliable David Owen who now has to deal with a revived New Liberals under Paddy Ashdown and a restocked Labour under passionate Left Winger and Socialist Joan Ruddock.
 

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American students in the year 2120 would often think of the year 2020 as if you mixed 1918, 1929, 1933, the entire 1960s, and 1992 together to make one hell of a year. The rest goes as follows. (I'll add a write-up later)

(and yes this is kinda stupid lol)

2021-2027: Former Vice President Joe Biden (DE)/Senator Tammy Duckworth (IL)
2020 def. Incumbent President Donald J. Trump (FL)/Vice President Mike Pence (IN)
2024 def. Former Governor Nikki Haley (SC)/Representative Randy Feenstra (IA)

2027-2037: Vice President Tammy Duckworth (IL)
(with Cory Booker) 2028 def. Senator Josh Hawley (MO)/Senator Mia Love (UT)
(with Julian Castro) 2032 def. Representative Dusty Johnson (SD)/Eric Brakey (ME)

2037-2045: Former Governor Erin Stewart (CT)/Representative Ariana Rowlands (CA)
2036 def. Senator Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (NY)/Governor Keisha Lance Bottoms (GA)
2040 def. Former Mayor Steven Reed (AL)/Governor Evan Low (CA)

...
2044: Representative Emma Gonzalez (FL)/Former Governor Jared Polis (CO) v. Former Governor Daniel Zolnikov (MT)/Former Governor Sunita Theiss (GA)
 

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Where Do We Go From Here?: A Randomly Generated List

1930-1935: John Maynard Keynes (Liberal)
1930 (Majority) def: Eric Geddes (Conservative), Sidney Webb (Reform), William Wedgwood Benn (Radical Action), Albert Inkpin (British Socialist Party), George Lansbury (Social Democratic Federation), Oswald Mosley (Social Credit), D.H.Lawrence (National)
1935-1937: Lord Halifax (Conservative)
1935 (Coalition with Free Trade Liberals) def: John Maynard Keynes (Liberal), Herbert Samuel (Free Trade Liberals), Herbert Morrison (Reform), William Wedgwood Benn (Radical Action), Aneurin Bevan (British Socialist Party), George Lansbury (Social Democratic Federation), Oswald Mosley (Social Credit), D.H.Lawrence (National)
1937-1940: Stafford Cripps (Conservative leading National Government)
1937 (Majority) def: John Maynard Keynes (Liberal), John Simon (National Liberal), Herbert Morrison (National Reform), Ellen Wilkinson (Ind. Reform), Richard Acland (Radical Action), Aneurin Bevan-Edgar Lansbury (British Socialist Front), Oswald Mosley (Social Credit), Wyndham Lewis (National)
1940-1943: Clement Attlee (Unionist)
1940 (Majority) def: Aneurin Bevan-Minnie Lansbury-Ellen Wilkinson (Socialist Action Alliance), Richard Acland-Archibald Sinclair (Radical-Liberal), Malcolm MacDonald (Social Credit), Wyndham Lewis (National)
1943-1945: Anthony Eden (Unionist)
1945-: Oliver Baldwin (Action)
1945 (Majority) def: Anthony Eden (Unionist), Megan Lloyd-George (Progressive), Malcolm MacDonald (Social Credit), Henry Williamson (National)

“Socialists Triumph!”

Eric Blair, June 14th 1945, Guardian

“It was with much shock and horror from many in the more Conservative sections of the country that came with announcement that Britain would be gaining it’s first Socialist Prime Minister in Oliver Baldwin. The son of Birmingham Railway Magnate and former Unionist MP Stanley Baldwin, Oliver’s interest in...

The Action’s Party’s manifesto which outlined plans to nationalise various industries, implement workers democracies, reform the House of Lords and Nationalise the Bank of England has been seen as dangerously radical by many but as one of the architects Harold Laski has said that the manifesto “Is the ultimate conclusion of the work that Keynes and Attlee committed too in the last fifteen years, however unlike them we intend to finish the job and not bow down to the whims of big business over the common man”.

Whilst many would say that the likelihood of Action being able to implement it’s plans being rather slim, one just has to look at there Forty seat majority in the Commons and the election of similar minded MPs from the Progressive and Unionist parties and conclude differently. So now as Oliver Baldwin meets King Albert II to become Prime Minister one has to wonder if we’re heading into a New Age. One not of Austerity, National Governments, Strike Busters and Red Toryism, but one instead of Industry, Equality and Freedom for All...”
 
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Leaders of Independent Countries in Ireland and Scotland from 1804-1859

Emperors of the Irish Empire (Ireland)


1804-06: Michael I

Presidents of the State of Ireland (South Ireland)

1806-11: Phillip Cunningham

Kings of the Kingdom of Ireland (South Ireland)

1811-20: Felipe I

Presidents of the Farmer's Republic of Ireland (Mayo)

1810-1811: John Moore

President of the Republic of the Scottish Gaels (Scotland)

1821-22: Henry Dundas

Presidents of the Republic of Ireland (North Ireland)

1806-18: Joseph Holt
1818-22: Samuel McSkimin

Presidents of the Republic of Ireland (Ireland and Scotland)

1822-43: Samuel McSkimin
1843-44: William Archdall

Presidents of the Republic of Ireland (Ireland)

1844: William Archdall
1844-45: John Murphy
1845-46: John Devereux
1846-47: Daniel O’Connell
1847-49: John Hughes

Emperors of the Irish Empire (Ireland and Southern Scotland)

1849-59: Eóin I

Presidents of the Scots Republic (Scotland)

1844: Commission of Public Safety
1844-48: Thomas Cochrane
1848-49: Alexander Tilloch Galt
1849: Thomas Cochrane
1849-53: James Bruce
1853-56: Thomas Cochrane
1856: George Murray
1856-58: James Bruce
1858-59: Thomas Cochrane

Presidents of the State of Scotland (Mann and the Western Isles)

1858: John Nicholson

Michael Dwyer's declaration of the independence of Ireland was the end of the bloody Irish revolution and English control over the Island but was only the beginning of a long period of war and instability in the area that followed the collapse of the British Monarchy.

The United Irishmen had been a joint movement between Protestants and Catholics but following the assassination of Dwyer, the Protestant North and Catholic South were divided. Even after the country was reunited, divides between the Protestant minority, who remained the primary landowners, and the Catholic majority would increasingly lead to violence. While many Catholics would become Presidents, they were largely figureheads who were largely controlled by a powerful clique of Protestant businessman and deposed when they tried to carry out their own agendas. It wasn't until the emergence of 'Dagger John' Hughes that a Catholic President actually managed to wrest the power away from his backers, which he demonstrated by claiming Dwyer's old title.

Hughes' downfall came after three failed invasions of Scotland, which had broken free of Irish control in the previous decade and been unstable ever since with it's leadership shared between a small bunch of powerful landowners led by the grand old man Cochrane who maintained dictatorial power well into his 80s and the notorious Earl of Elgin, James Bruce who was known for his weather-vane politics and would, at various times, be a fanatic fighter for Scottish independence and a supporter of no fewer than four different foreign occupiers of Scotland, namely the Irish, English, Danish and French.

The Irish-Scottish war would devastate and weaken both countries and ultimately lead both to Hughes' overthrow and the ill-fated Scottish annexation by the Scandinavian Empire.
 
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The Century of the Common Man: A Randomly Generated List

1929-1933: Henry A.Wallace (Progressive)
1928 (With Philip LaFollette) def: Frank Lowden (National Union), Daniel Hoan (Socialist Party of America)
1933-1937: Edward H.Keifer (Progressive)
1932 (With Burton K Wheeler) def: Herbert Hoover (National Union), Floyd B.Olson (SPA), Gerald L.K.Smith (Christian Union)
1937-1941: Al Smith (National Union)
1936 (With Millard Tydings) def: Edward H.Keifer (Progressive), Upton Sinclair (SPA-EPIC), Gerald L.K.Smith (Christian Union), Ezra Pound (Futurist)
1941-1943: Kermit Roosevelt (Progressive)†
1940 (With Elmer A.Benson) def: Al Smith (National Union), Mary Van Kleeck (SPA), Gerald L.K.Smith (Christian Union), Ezra Pound (Futurist)
1943-1949: Elmer A. Benson (Progressive)
1944 (With Eleanor Roosevelt) def: Harry Truman (National Union), Elizabeth Gurley Flynn (SPA), Gerald L.K.Smith (Christian Union)
1949-: Alf Landon (National Union)
1948 (With Alben W. Barkley) def: Eleanor Roosevelt (Progressive), Robert A. Heinlein (SPA), Gerald L.K.Smith (Christian Union), Strom Thurmond (American Independent)

“The Triumphant Return of Wallace?”
Micheal Foot, Times, January 14th 1952
“It was with great shock and jubilation that greeted Henry A.Wallace’s announcement that he would be seeking the Progressive nomination. The former President and constant Secretary of State in all Progressive Cabinets since 1935 his surprise announcement has shifted the drama away from the Paul Douglas vs. Glen H.Taylor vs.Virginia Foster Durr fight and towards Wallace.

Wallace who has made no illusions why he declined to run again after his first term, ‘I had a nervous break, the pressure of trying to push my Civil Rights bill through Congress was too much so I had to convalesce for about a year. This time though I’m ready, I have more experience, courage and support than the first time around and I know the outcome of what happens if I don’t make sure I’m okay’ has gone on a barnstorming campaign with his focus on continuing the Fair Deal programs, nationalising some industries (‘Mainly Rail’) and create a nationalised health service similar to the one created by the Baldwin Government in Britain (‘Have to say a lot of my policies both as Secretary of State under Benson and my plans for the President take inspiration from that Government’).

Though up against a tenacious opposition from both National Union and even elements within his own party, it seems that Wallace maybe able to become president once again.”
 
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The First Horseman Arrives Before It’s Appointment:

Prime Ministers of Great Britain and Ireland:
1908-1912: H.H.Asquith (Liberal)†

1910 (Majority) def: Arthur Balfour (Conservative), George Barnes (Labour), John Redmond (IPP), William O'Brien (All for Ireland)
1912: David Lloyd George (Liberal)†
1912-1913: Herbert Gladstone (Liberal)†
1913: John Burns (Liberal)
1913-1917: Field Marshal Douglas Haig (Independent leading Reconstruction Government)
1917-1920: Donald Maclean-Hilton Young-Lord Robert Cecil-Stephen Walsh-Frederick Pethick-Lawrence (Committee for Democracy)


Prime Ministers of British Union:
1920-1924: Donald Maclean (Progressive)

1920 (Coalition with Labour) def: Neville Chamberlain (National), Stephen Walsh-Frederick Pethick-Lawrence (Labour), H. N. Brailsford (Co-Operative Party)
1924-1930: Neville Chamberlain (National)
1924 (Majority) def: Donald Maclean (Progressive), Stephen Walsh-Fredrick Pethick-Lawrence (Labour), H. N. Brailsford (Co-Operative Party)
1928 (Majority) def: Francis Acland (Progressive), Clement Attlee-Emanuel Shillwell (Labour), Rotha Lintorn-Orman (‘Imperial’ National)

1930-1932: John Anderson (National)
1932-1936: Philip Noel-Baker (Progressive)
1932 (Majority) def: John Anderson (National), Clement Attlee-Arthur Pugh (Labour), C.H.Douglas (Social Credit)
1936-1940: Kingsley Wood (National)
1936 (Coalition with Social Credit) def: Philip-Noel Baker (Progressive), Evelyn Sharp-J.F.Horrabin (Socialist Labour), Oliver Baldwin (Social Credit), Tom Wintringham (CommonWealth), The Lord Redesdale (Imperial League)
1940-1948: Tom Horabin (Progressive)
1940 (Majority) def: Kingsley Wood (National), Evelyn Sharp-Ellen Wilkinson (Socialist Labour), Oliver Baldwin (Social Credit), Tom Wintringham-Jessica Mitford (CommonWealth), The Lord Redesdale (Imperial League)
1944 (Majority) def: Lord Woolton (National), Jennie Lee-Harold Laski (Socialist Labour), Oliver Baldwin (Social Credit), Jessica Mitford-Tom Driberg (CommonWealth), Unity Mitford (Imperial League)

1948-:Richard Crossman-Jennie Lee (Socialist Labour)
1948 (Coalition with CommonWealth) def: Tom Horabin (Progressive), Rab Butler (National), Oliver Baldwin (Social Credit), Jessica Mitford-C.L.R James (CommonWealth), Unity Mitford (Imperial League)

In 1912 a great plague would hit Britain and the World. Unexpected and more concerned with Ireland than a virulent plague the British People would only realise the danger when H.H.Asquith died. The ensuing chaos and the virulent nature of the disease would lead to about Six Percent death rate, two more dead Prime Ministers and millions still being heavily effected in the aftermath.

After a brief military government, a committee to bring back Democracy is formed and it’s wake two new major parties form. The National Party, a collective of Liberal Unionists, Conservatives and folks interested in Protectionism combined with Municipal Devolution and the Progressive Party, a collective of former Radicals, Social Liberals, Fabians, Right Wing Labour folks and folks that support expansion of the state and welfare instead of Workers Democracies and dismantling Capitalism.

Of course things ain’t always good for these two parties, Socialist Labour, consisting of the absolute Left Wing/ILP Labour folk slowly gains ground and the Social Credit Party, which at first is a Right Wing Populist Party but becomes a more Radical Centrist Party under Oliver Baldwin (though Monetary Reform is still a big thing) slowly nipping at both parties heels.

This reaches a fever pitch with 1948 election of the Socialist Labour Party which enters into a coalition with the similar (though more Marxist/Comunist in tradition) CommonWealth Party to bring about there aims...
 
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From Bush to the Brown’s to Dole: Randomly Generated List
1977-1981: George H.W.Bush (Republican)

1976 (With Bob Dole) def: Henry M.Jackson (Democratic), Mike Gavel (Peace and Freedom)
1981-1985: John Anderson (Republican)
1980 (With Bob Dole) def: Jimmy Carter (Democratic), Mike Gavel (Peace and Freedom)
1985-1993: Jerry Brown (Democratic)
1984 (With Bob Matsui) def: John Anderson (Republican)
1988 (With Ron Brown) def: John Chafee (Republican)

1993-1995: Ron Brown (Democratic)†
1992 (With Geraldine Ferraro) def: Mark Hatfield (Republican), Ross Perot (Independent)
1995-1997: Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1997-: Bob Dole (Republican)
1997 (With John Chafee) def: Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic), Bernie Sanders (Peace and Freedom), Ross Perot (Reform)

The Bush and Anderson years were a disappointing failure. Kept alive more through a divided Democratic Party and strong Left Wing challenges from the ‘Peace and Freedom’ coalition of Left Wing parties the Bush and Anderson years were one of failed ambitions, malaise and a situation that would have caused Rockerfeller to blanche in horror. The wheels would come off with the election of Jerry Brown, a popular Liberal reformer who brought Buddhist zen and a California charm to the office alongside a crusade against corruption and progressive ideals.

These policies would win him another election and his former Vice President would campaign on continuing the policies of Brown further (whilst also grabbing elements from Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow coalition), this combined with Ross Perot stealing large portions of the Liberal Republican vote allowed for Ron Brown to become president. His time in office was considered missed opportunities even before his untimely death in a plane crash. When Ferraro came to replace Brown, elements that had been bubbling up in the background came to the surface.

Corruption, back handed deals and an economic bubble that dramatically burst, all of which were blamed on Ferraro (even though a number of these elements had been around since the Bush/Anderson years). In the wake of this a huge expansion in Third Parties would occur and Bob Dole would win on an anti-corruption and reform campaign. Whether or not he’ll commit to it is for the future to decide.
 

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The First Horseman Arrives Before It’s Appointment:

Prime Ministers of Great Britain and Ireland:
1908-1912: H.H.Asquith (Liberal)†

1910 (Majority) def: Arthur Balfour (Conservative), George Barnes (Labour), John Redmond (IPP), William O'Brien (All for Ireland)
1912: David Lloyd George (Liberal)†
1912-1913: Herbert Gladstone (Liberal)†
1913: John Burns (Liberal)
1913-1917: Field Marshal Douglas Haig (Independent leading Reconstruction Government)
1917-1920: Donald Maclean-Hilton Young-Lord Robert Cecil-Stephen Walsh-Frederick Pethick-Lawrence (Committee for Democracy)


Prime Ministers of British Union:
1920-1924: Donald Maclean (Progressive)

1920 (Coalition with Labour) def: Neville Chamberlain (National), Stephen Walsh-Frederick Pethick-Lawrence (Labour), H. N. Brailsford (Co-Operative Party)
1924-1930: Neville Chamberlain (National)
1924 (Majority) def: Donald Maclean (Progressive), Stephen Walsh-Fredrick Pethick-Lawrence (Labour), H. N. Brailsford (Co-Operative Party)
1928 (Majority) def: Francis Acland (Progressive), Clement Attlee-Emanuel Shillwell (Labour), Rotha Lintorn-Orman (‘Imperial’ National)

1930-1932: John Anderson (National)
1932-1936: Philip Noel-Baker (Progressive)
1932 (Majority) def: John Anderson (National), Clement Attlee-Arthur Pugh (Labour), C.H.Douglas (Social Credit)
1936-1940: Kingsley Wood (National)
1936 (Coalition with Social Credit) def: Philip-Noel Baker (Progressive), Evelyn Sharp-J.F.Horrabin (Socialist Labour), Oliver Baldwin (Social Credit), Tom Wintringham (CommonWealth), The Lord Redesdale (Imperial League)
1940-1948: Tom Horabin (Progressive)
1940 (Majority) def: Kingsley Wood (National), Evelyn Sharp-Ellen Wilkinson (Socialist Labour), Oliver Baldwin (Social Credit), Tom Wintringham-Jessica Mitford (CommonWealth), The Lord Redesdale (Imperial League)
1944 (Majority) def: Lord Woolton (National), Jennie Lee-Harold Laski (Socialist Labour), Oliver Baldwin (Social Credit), Jessica Mitford-Tom Driberg (CommonWealth), Unity Mitford (Imperial League)

1948-:Richard Crossman-Jennie Lee (Socialist Labour)
1948 (Coalition with CommonWealth) def: Tom Horabin (Progressive), Rab Butler (National), Oliver Baldwin (Social Credit), Jessica Mitford-C.L.R James (CommonWealth), Unity Mitford (Imperial League)

In 1912 a great plague would hit Britain and the World. Unexpected and more concerned with Ireland than a virulent plague the British People would only realise the danger when H.H.Asquith died. The ensuing chaos and the virulent nature of the disease would lead to about Six Percent death rate, two more dead Prime Ministers and millions still being heavily effected in the aftermath.

After a brief military government, a committee to bring back Democracy is formed and it’s wake two new major parties form. The National Party, a collective of Liberal Unionists, Conservatives and folks interested in Protectionism combined with Municipal Devolution and the Progressive Party, a collective of former Radicals, Social Liberals, Fabians, Right Wing Labour folks and folks that support expansion of the state and welfare instead of Workers Democracies and dismantling Capitalism.

Of course things ain’t always good for these two parties, Socialist Labour, consisting of the absolute Left Wing/ILP Labour folk slowly gains ground and the Social Credit Party, which at first is a Right Wing Populist Party but becomes a more Radical Centrist Party under Oliver Baldwin (though Monetary Reform is still a big thing) slowly nipping at both parties heels.

This reaches a fever pitch with 1948 election of the Socialist Labour Party which enters into a coalition with the similar (though more Marxist/Comunist in tradition) CommonWealth Party to bring about there aims...
I quite like the background detail here that Labour and Socialist Labour move to permanent joint leadership. I think a 'plagues can suddenly kill the PM, thrice' backdrop is a plausible way to sell that, on top of the left's often instinctive support for collective leadership anyway.
 

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I quite like the background detail here that Labour and Socialist Labour move to permanent joint leadership. I think a 'plagues can suddenly kill the PM, thrice' backdrop is a plausible way to sell that, on top of the left's often instinctive support for collective leadership anyway.
Exactly, I was like ‘It would make sense for the Left to have a joint leadership in the aftermath of a great plague’. It’s also a way (at first) to allow for the uniting of the different strands of Labour too (the intellectual Left and the Trade Unionist Right) before sections of the Right leave to go to the Progressive Party (hence it going from Labour to Socialist Labour as a indication of the new more Left Wing direction).

It also influences the more Intellectual Left Wing/Marxist CommonWealth Party too as they go ‘that’s a good idea’.
 

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Exactly, I was like ‘It would make sense for the Left to have a joint leadership in the aftermath of a great plague’. It’s also a way (at first) to allow for the uniting of the different strands of Labour too (the intellectual Left and the Trade Unionist Right) before sections of the Right leave to go to the Progressive Party (hence it going from Labour to Socialist Labour as a indication of the new more Left Wing direction).
It does intrigue me that they’re both listed under “Prime Ministers of the British Union”. While the British cabinet system feels fluid enough that it could accommodate two PMs, I suspect tradition would be too strong and one would have to serve as the ‘official’ PM and First Lord of the Treasury, while the other is the de facto co-PM but officially just deputy. Then again, perhaps circumstances in this world have changed enough (especially with the precedent of multiple leaders from the Committee for Democracy) that you could have dual heads of government. It makes me think of that collaborative NewStates list from a while back which had slates of co-presidents elected.

All this pondering about co-leaders has given me a horrible thought: what if Labour tried having co-leaders with something like the old electoral college – with the PLP, membership, and unions each electing a rival leader. Such a system in the 1980s or the Corbyn era could have led to unimaginable levels of dysfunction.
 

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It does intrigue me that they’re both listed under “Prime Ministers of the British Union”. While the British cabinet system feels fluid enough that it could accommodate two PMs, I suspect tradition would be too strong and one would have to serve as the ‘official’ PM and First Lord of the Treasury, while the other is the de facto co-PM but officially just deputy. Then again, perhaps circumstances in this world have changed enough (especially with the precedent of multiple leaders from the Committee for Democracy) that you could have dual heads of government. It makes me think of that collaborative NewStates list from a while back which had slates of co-presidents elected.
Whilst most parties in the list prefer to have one PM before then when the Socialist Labour Party gets into power with CommonWealth they enquire and manage to set a new precedent of having Co PMs (they use the Committee of Democracy example to get around the traditionalists). The Socialist Labour in general has a strong distaste towards tradition and the past hence why the decide to create New system of Co PMs.
All this pondering about co-leaders has given me a horrible thought: what if Labour tried having co-leaders with something like the old electoral college – with the PLP, membership, and unions each electing a rival leader. Such a system in the 1980s or the Corbyn era could have led to unimaginable levels of dysfunction.
Oh yes, I could see some folks going ‘This will allow both sides to have a say in policy and direction’ before looking on in horror as the leaders squabble over inane shite.
 

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Duly noted, I do try and mix them up with regular lists but I’ll make sure to mix them up more. Then that way everyone gets something.
Even then I don't see the point. If you're just smashing random stuff together and then trying to piece a story together its all rather contrived. Like when some TL projects wargame how battles will turn out.
 

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Even then I don't see the point. If you're just smashing random stuff together and then trying to piece a story together its all rather contrived. Like when some TL projects wargame how battles will turn out.
I think it’s fun as a challenge to try and fashion a story out of randomized elements, but I’d personally just post in a test thread and only put stuff I actually planned a story for in this thread.
 

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Even then I don't see the point. If you're just smashing random stuff together and then trying to piece a story together its all rather contrived. Like when some TL projects wargame how battles will turn out.
I think it’s fun as a challenge to try and fashion a story out of randomized elements, but I’d personally just post in a test thread and only put stuff I actually planned a story for in this thread.
Taking this on board folks, thanks for the criticism and I’ll try and stick to preplanned story stuff (unless I make a randomised story that I think is rather good and can expanded which I think I did with the Baldwin and Wallace one but it’s understandable why folks wouldn’t be into it).

But yeah, thanks for the criticism, taken on board.
 
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