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Edmund

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One thing I don’t get about these future lists is how the Conservatives survive past 2040 with the generational collapse they’ve set out for themselves. All of them I’ve read are great work but I suppose this is a suspension of disbelief thing.
 

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One thing I don’t get about these future lists is how the Conservatives survive past 2040 with the generational collapse they’ve set out for themselves. All of them I’ve read are great work but I suppose this is a suspension of disbelief thing.
Has any prediction like that ever come true though?
 

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One thing I don’t get about these future lists is how the Conservatives survive past 2040 with the generational collapse they’ve set out for themselves. All of them I’ve read are great work but I suppose this is a suspension of disbelief thing.
I think they'll always be a Centre Right party of some kind in British politics and until there is a logical alternative the Conservatives fit that void. I think the Conservatives could survive past 2040, though with numerous rebrandings, coalitions with Right Wing Populist parties and all that jazz. I could see the Conservatives existing as a rump party by the 2040s but still existing in some way.
 

Elektronaut

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One thing I don’t get about these future lists is how the Conservatives survive past 2040 with the generational collapse they’ve set out for themselves. All of them I’ve read are great work but I suppose this is a suspension of disbelief thing.
Right, because it's not like people's politics change as they get older or that current trends themselves are subject to change, is it?

Labour has had a dominant vote share with young voters since the '92 election. That's nearly thirty years ago now, and we currently have a Conservative government with a healthy majority. The Tories were also beating Labour in the eighties amongst under twenty-fours and then... that changed.
 

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One thing I don’t get about these future lists is how the Conservatives survive past 2040 with the generational collapse they’ve set out for themselves. All of them I’ve read are great work but I suppose this is a suspension of disbelief thing.
Because people change, and so do the parties themselves.

TBH, outside of personality-based parties, I don’t see any major party seeing any sort of seismic collapse. I could definitely be wrong about that, but I will only believe there is some sort of major party collapse when I see it.
 

Edmund

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To be honest, I assume loads of millennials and then Gen Z are going to vote Tory as they get older despite not liking them in youth - just as previous generations had - as the other side becomes strange and confusing to them (and also as more get property).
But people don’t become more conservative as they grow older. The vast majority of people form their political opinions while they are in their twenties.

Right, because it's not like people's politics change as they get older or that current trends themselves are subject to change, is it?

Labour has had a dominant vote share with young voters since the '92 election. That's nearly thirty years ago now, and we currently have a Conservative government with a healthy majority. The Tories were also beating Labour in the eighties amongst under twenty-fours and then... that changed.
Current trends can change, but they don’t change for no reason at all. The Conservatives won only 3% less among 18 to 24-year-olds than their national average in 1997. In 2019, they won 26% less. They beat Labour in the eighties, yes, but that was still give or take a few points in line with their national average.
 

Elektronaut

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The vast majority of people form their political opinions while they are in their twenties.
Even assuming this is true, it clearly has no relevance in terms of general election outcomes. If it did, given the relative likelihood to turn out by age, elections would just be a series of repeats. It's clearly the case that the voting of generations does not stay static as they grow older. We know that in the last decade particularly there's been a significant amount of switching between elections.

By my reckoning, some of the over sixty-fives who went overwhelmingly Tory last year must have been voting for Harold Wilson by something like twenty points.

The last few years are very bad to draw anything from even on static politics assumptions incidentally, given the level of tactical and protest voting for Labour around the Brexit issue. Given the turnout rate among younger voters, it's also not very useful as a predictor of later generational behaviour even on static assumptions.
 
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this started off as 'what if the left split from labour in the 1980s rather than the right' and it became 'a very european party system'

1976-1985: Roy Jenkins (Labour)
1978 (Minority, with Liberal confidence and supply) def. Ted Heath (Conservative), David Steel (Liberal), William Wolfe (Scottish National), Harry West (Ulster Unionist), John Tyndall (National Front)
1983 (Majority) def. Willie Whitelaw (Conservative), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National), David Steel (Liberal), Jim Molyneaux (Ulster Unionist), John Tyndall (National Front)

1985-1986: Roy Jenkins (Democratic-Liberal coalition)
1986-1994: David Owen (Democratic)
1988 (Grand Coalition with Conservatives) def. Cecil Parkinson (Conservative), Eric Heffer / Sara Parkin (People's Alliance - Socialist Labour, Greens), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National), Jim Molyneaux (Ulster Unionist), David Steel (Liberal), John Tyndall (National Front)
1992 Maastricht Treaty referendum; 53% NO, 47% YES
1993 (Grand Coalition with Conservatives) def. Michael Heseltine (Conservative), Teresa Gorman (Freedom Front), Margaret Beckett / Derek Wall (Alliance For Green Socialism), Jim Molyneaux (Ulster Unionist), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National)
1993 Maastricht Treaty referendum; 51% YES, 49% NO

1994-1998: Tony Blair (Democratic-Conservative Grand Coalition)
1998-2005: Michael Heseltine (Conservative)
1998 (Coalition with Freedom Front) def. Tony Blair (Democratic), Jimmy Goldsmith (Freedom Front), Derek Wall (Alliance For Green Socialism), John Taylor (Ulster Unionist), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National)
2000 (Majority) def. Peter Mandelson (Democratic), Roger Knapman (Freedom Front), Derek Wall (Alliance 2000: The Greens And The Reds), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National), John Taylor (Ulster Unionist)

2005-2017: Peter Mandelson (Democratic)
2005 (Grand Coalition with Conservatives) def. Michael Heseltine (Conservative), Margaret Beckett (Red-Green Alliance), Robert Kilroy-Silk (Freedom Front), Tim Collins (Unionist), Fergus Ewing (Scottish National)
2010 (Grand Coalition with Conservatives) def. Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative), Robert Kilroy-Silk (Freedom Front), Tim Collins (Unionist), Margaret Beckett (Red-Green Alliance), Fergus Ewing (Scottish National)
2015 (Grand Coalition with Conservatives) def. Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative), Robert Kilroy-Silk (National Union), Ted Miliband (United Left), Fergus Ewing (Scottish National)

2017-2019: Chris Leslie (Democratic-Conservative Grand Coalition)
2019-2024: Daniel Kawcynski (Conservative)
2019 (Coalition with National Union) def. Chris Leslie (Democratic), Ian Paisley Jr. (National Union), Ted Miliband (United Left), Fergus Ewing (Scottish National)
 

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This was mostly made for my own satisfaction, but have the PM list for this list.

1992-1998: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
def 1992: (Majority) John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democratic), Alex Salmond (SNP)
def 1996: (Majority) John Redwood (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democratic), Alex Salmond (SNP), Peg Alexander & David Taylor (Green)

1998-2001: Charles Clarke (Labour)
2001-2004: Stephen Dorrell (National Reform: The New Conservatives)
def 2001: (Minority) Charles Clarke (Labour), Peter Lilley (Anti-Federalist Conservative), Menzies Campbell (Liberal Democratic), John Sweeney (SNP), Mike Woodin & Jean Lambert (Green)
2002 Euro Referendum:
JOIN 53%, REMAIN 47%

def 2004:
(Grand Coalition with Labour) Yvette Cooper (Labour), Peter Lilley (UKIP), Stephen Dorrell (National Reform), John Barrett (Liberal Democratic), John Sweeney (SNP), Darren Johnson & Sara Parkin (Green)
2004-XXXX: Yvette Cooper (Labour leading Grand Coalition)
def 2008: (Grand Coalition with National Reform) Peter Lilley (UKIP), Ken Clarke (National Reform), Norman Baker & Caroline Lucas (Liberal Democratic-Green Alliance), John Sweeney (SNP), Loz Kaye (NO2ID--Yes To Democracy)
def 2013: (Grand Coalition with National Reform) Christopher Chope (UKIP), Norman Baker & Pippa Bartolotti (Progressive Alliance), Ken Clarke (National Reform), Bruce Crawford (SNP), Loz Kaye (NO2ID)
def 2017: (Grand Coalition with National Reform and SNP) Nick Ferrari (UKIP), Ashley Gunstock & Jenny Willott (Progressive Alliance), Ed Vaizey (National Reform), Keith Brown (SNP), Neil McEvoy (Welsh People's Party)
 

Edmund

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By my reckoning, some of the over sixty-fives who went overwhelmingly Tory last year must have been voting for Harold Wilson by something like twenty points.
They weren't, though. There was strong youth support for the Conservatives throughout the 1960s. Wilson led by eighteen points in October 1974, but that appears to have more to do with the young Tory vote being split with the Liberals (and the Conservatives regained them by 1979).

The last few years are very bad to draw anything from even on static politics assumptions incidentally, given the level of tactical and protest voting for Labour around the Brexit issue. Given the turnout rate among younger voters, it's also not very useful as a predictor of later generational behaviour even on static assumptions.
Even before Brexit this was happening. Labour leading by 16 points in the 18-34 group (and the turnout for the 18-34 group isn't much lower than the average), despite losing by 5 points overall. I'd be more inclined to think it had something to do with "the unpalatable truth for the left is that the Tories did not win despite austerity, but because of it" changing to opposition to austerity even among Tory voters. I can't find party support among young Leave voters but I'd be very interested in viewing it.
 

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Presidents of the United States (Since 1941)
33. 19411945: Harry Hopkins (Democratic / National Union)✝
1940: with John Nance Garner def. Robert A. Taft / Thomas E. Dewey (Republican)
1944: with Thomas E. Dewey (elected unopposed)

34. 19451949: Thomas E. Dewey (Republican / National Union)
35. 19491957: Earl Warren (Republican)
1948: with Wendell Willkie def. Henry Wallace / Paul V. McNutt (Democratic)
1952: with Wendell Willkie def. Hubert Humphrey / Scott W. Lucas (Democratic)

36. 1957–1969: Walter Reuther (Democratic)
1956: with Estes Kefauver def. Earl Warren / Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)
1960: with Estes Kefauver def. Nelson Rockefeller / Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1964: with George McGovern def. William Knowland / Gordon Allott (Republican)

37. 1969–1977: David Rockefeller (Republican)
1968: with George W. Romney def. George McGovern / Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1972: with Jim Rhodes def. Terry Sanford / Edmund Muskie (Democratic)

38. 1977–1985: Jim Rhodes (Republican)
1976: with Howard Baker def. Ted Kennedy / Mike Mansfield (Democratic)
1980: with Ted Stevens def. Gary Hart / Frank Church (Democratic)

39. 1985–1997: Howard Baker (National Reform)
1984: with Tim Wirth def. Frank Church / Dianne Feinstein (Democratic), Ted Stevens / Gerald Ford (Republican)
1988: with Tim Wirth def. Donald Rumsfeld / Jack Kemp (Republican), Joe Biden / Jesse Jackson (Democratic)
1992: with Tim Wirth def. Jesse Jackson / Dick Gephardt (Democratic), Alexander Haig / George Shultz (Republican)

40. 1997–2001: Tim Wirth (Independent)
1996: with Bill Clinton (Democratic) def. Carroll Campbell / Bob Martinez (Republican)
41. 2001–2005: Lynn Morley Martin (Republican)
2000: with Bill McCollum def. Bill Clinton / Paul Wellstone (Democratic)
42. 2005–2009: Robert Reich (Democratic)
2004: with Jay Rockefeller def. Bill McCollum / Tommy Thompson (Republican)
43. 2009–2013: Wesley Clark (Democratic)
2008: with Hillary Clinton def. Tommy Thopson / Sam Brownback (Republican)
44. 2013–2017: Duncan Hunter (Republican)
2012: with Rudy Giuliani def. Hillary Clinton / Harry Reid (Democratic)
45. 2017–present: Tom Vilsack (Democratic)
2016:
with Cory Booker def. Duncan Hunter / Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
 

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Well it was fun whilst it lasted..: A Randomly Generated List

2027-2030: Layla Moran (Progressive Alliance)
2027 (Progressive Coalition) def: Boris Johnson (Conservative), Keir Starmer (Labour), Layla Moran (Lib Dem), Nigel Farage (Reform), George Galloway (Workers), Joanna Cherry (SNP), Mhairi Black (Progressive Scottish Party), Adam Price (Plaid Cymru), Alexandra Philips-Magid Magid (Green)
2030-2032: Ben Bradley (Conservative)
2030 (Coalition with Reform & Workers) def: Keir Starmer (Labour), Layla Moran (Lib Dem), Nigel Farage (Reform), George Galloway (Workers), Joanna Cherry (SNP), Mhairi Black (PSP), Adam Price (Plaid Cymru), Magid-Magid (Green)
2032-2036: Keir Starmer (Labour)
2032 (Majority) def: Ben Bradley (Conservative), Layla Moran (Lib Dem), Alexandra Philips (Reform), Tony Greenstein (Workers), Huzma Yousaf (SNP), Mhairi Black (PSP), Bethan Sayed (Plaid Cymru), Magid-Magid (Green)
2036-2043: Tracey Crouch (Conservative)
2036 (Majority) def: Keir Starmer (Labour), Layla Moran (Lib Dem), Alexandra Philips (Reform), Jo Bird (Workers), Huzma Yousaf (SNP), Mhairi Black (PSP), Bethan Sayed (Plaid Cymru), Magid-Magid-Tasmin Omond (Green)
2041 (Coalition with Reform) def: Tulip Saddiq (Labour), Tara Copeland (Lib Dem), Alexandra Philips (Reform), Jared O'Mara (Workers), Huzma Yousaf (SNP), Mhairi Black (PSP), Bethan Sayed (Plaid Cymru), Magid-Magid-Tasmin Omond (Green)

2043-2044: Matt Hancock, Lord Hancock of Chester (Conservative Caretaker)
2044-2046: Louise Haigh (Labour)

2044 (Majority) def: Matt Hancock (Conservative), Tara Copeland (Lib Dem), Alexandra Philips (Reform), Aaron Bastani (Workers), Róisín McLaren (PSP), Ben Lake (Plaid Cymru), Tasmin Omond (Green)
2046: Tulip Saddiq (Labour Caretaker)
2046-2049: Aspana Begum (Labour)
2047 (Majority) def: Elliot Colburn (Conservative), Tara Copeland (Lib Dem), Darren Grimes (Reform), Aaron Bastani (Workers), Róisín McLaren (PSP), Ben Lake (Plaid Cymru), Alexandra L.R. Philips-Tasmin Omond (Green)
2049-2055: Angela Rayner, Baroness Rayner of Stockport (Labour)
2049 (Majority) def: Elliot Colburn (Conservative), Catriona McDougall (Lib Dem), Darren Grimes (Reform), Aaron Bastani (Workers), Róisín McLaren (PSP), Ben Lake (Plaid Cymru), Tori Tsui-Tasmin Omond (Green)
2054 (Coalition with Greens) def: Kemi Badenoch (Conservative), Catriona McDougall (Lib Dem), Darren Grimes (Reform), Jared O'Mara (Workers), Róisín McLaren (PSP), Ben Lake (Plaid Cymru), Tori Tsui-Tasmin Omond (Green)

2055-: Elizabeth Hayden (Labour)

Right so this list became fucking insane, what’s your favourite part?

(Also still trying to figure out the write up for this scenario because it’s something, also no Irish Parties because by 2050 I bet they’ll be hundreds of them or Northern Ireland will no longer be a thing).
 

Mumby

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in light of the last of us 2 coming out soon, and more immediately, the fact many a true nerd started playing the first game...

The Last Of Us

2009-2014: Barack Obama (Democratic)
2008 (with Joe Biden) def. John McCain (Republican)
2012 (with Joe Biden) def. Mitt Romney (Republican)

2014-2018: Joe Biden (Democratic)
2016, cancelled amid continuing National Emergency
2018-2019: David Petraeus (Independent & National Republican)
2017 (with Michael Flynn) def. Gary Johnson (Independent Republican & Libertarian), Joe Biden (Democratic)
2019-2024: David Petraeus (National Unity)
2021, cancelled amid continuing National Emergency
2024-2027: Collective Government by Joint Chiefs of Staff
2025, cancelled amid continuing National Emergency
2027-2030: Samantha Lawrence*, as First Chief of the United States
2029, elections are formally cancelled for the foreseeable future

2030-0000: Aloysius Martin*, as First Chief of the United States

*fictional
 
Trump '20 as LBJ '68

2017-2021: Businessman Donald Trump (NY)/Governor Mike Pence (IN)
2016 def. former Secretary Hillary Clinton (NY)/Senator Tim Kaine (VA), former Governor Gary Johnson (NM)/former Governor William Weld (MA)
2021-2026: former Vice President Joe Biden (DE)/Senator Kamala Harris (CA) (2021-2025), Minority Leader Tim Ryan (OH) (2025-2026)
2020 def. President Donald Trump (NY)/Vice President Mike Pence (IN), activist Vermin Supreme (MA)/activist John Monds (GA)
2024 def. Governor Corey Stewart (VA)/Lieutenant Governor George P. Bush (TX),

2026-2029: Vice President Tim Ryan (OH)/former Governor Jay Inslee (WA)
2029-2033: former Governor Mark Gordon (WY)/Senator Doug Collins (GA)
2028 def. President Tim Ryan (OH)/Senator Abby Finkenauer (IA)
2033-2041: Governor Cynthia Nixon (NY)/Representative Joaquin Castro (TX)
2032 def. President Mark Gordon (WY)/Vice President Doug Collins (GA), Representative Josh Gottheimer (NJ)/former Governor Jon Huntsman, Jr.
2036 def. former Vice President Doug Collins (GA)/musician Joy Villa (CA)
2041-2045: Vice President Joaquin Castro (TX)/Senator Joe Kennedy III (MA)
2040 def. Governor Josh Mandel (OH)/Senator Ted Cruz (TX)
2045-2053: former Governor Eric Grietens (MO)/Senator Richard Cheney Perry (WY)
2044 def. President Joaquin Castro (TX)/Senator Joe Kennedy III (MA)
2048 def. Senator Abby Finkenauer (IA)/former Secretary Myron Rolle (FL)
2053-2061: Governor Roman Castro (TX)/former Majority Whip Ilhan Omar (MN)
2052 def. Vice President Richard Cheney Perry (WY)/Senator Caleb Hanna (WV)
2056 def. Senator Dan Crenshaw (TX)/
2061-2069: Senator Maggie Horzempa (NC)/Senator Joseph Sweeney (NH)
2060 def. Senator Max Rose (NY)/
2064 def. former Governor Chelsea Clinton (NY)/
2069-????: Businessman Barron Trump (NY)/Governor Angelica Duenas (CA)

inspired by this article: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/02/trump-1968-lyndon-johnson-297346