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Japhy's HoS&G List Thread

A Theoretical Look Forward at EdT's "Fight And Be Right" (American Presidents)

Spoilers.

EdT's British Political Timeline can be found Here. If you have not read it, as well as the supplementary stuff, I pity you. Worth noting the Supplementals provided me with the list of Presidents from 1885 to 1944, adjusted to deal with the fact that there was no system to replace dead VPs before the next election, as well as the main opposition tickets for 1884, 1888, 1892, and 1940. Though the 1892 VP pick made little sense IMO. Everything else, I made up, so blame me, not Ed. If I don't get over my Bob Lee's Body related writers block, I'll get around to figuring out the politics of other states, if other folks don't beat me too it.

I don't really know what was wrong with me doing those footnotes, so please comment or I'll be left wondering what I did that for, forever.

1885-1885: S. Grover Cleveland / Thomas A. Hendricks (Democratic)
1884: James G. Blaine / John A. Logan (Republican)
1885-1889: S. Grover Cleveland / vacant (Democratic)
1889-1893: S. Grover Cleveland / Allen G. Thurman (Democratic)

1888: Benjamin Harrison / Levi P. Morton (Republican)
1893-1897: Joseph B. Foraker / Thomas B. Reed (Republican)[1]
1892: John G. Carlisle / Adlai Stevenson I (Democratic)[2], James B. Weaver / James G. Field (Populist)
1897-1901: William J. Bryan / James S. Hogg (Democratic / Populist) [3]
1896: William J. Bryan / Thomas E. Watson (Populist), Joseph B. Foraker / Thomas B. Reed (Republican), Edward S. Bragg / Philip W. McKinney (National “Gold” Democratic)[4]
1901-1906: Henry Cabot Lodge / Robert R. Hitt (Republican)[5]
1900: William J. Bryan / James S. Hogg, Marion Butler (Democratic, Populist), William F. Vilas / Simon B. Buckner (National Democratic)[6], Eugene V. Debs / Job Harriman (Social Democratic)[7]
1904: Richard Olney / Joseph C. S. Blackburn (Democratic)[8], Marion Butler / Charles A. Towne (Populist)[9], Eugene V. Debs / Benjamin Hanford (Socialist)

1906-1909: Henry Cabot Lodge / vacant (Republican)
1909-1909: William R. Hearst / John A. Johnson (Democratic)
[10]
1908: James S. Sherman / George L. Sheldon (Republican)[11], Maximilian S. Hayes / William E. Walling (Socialist)[12], William H. Harvey / Thomas E. Watson (Populist)[13]
1909-1913: William R. Hearst / vacant (Democratic)
1913-1917: William R. Hearst / William G. McAdoo (Democratic)
[14]
1912: Robert M. LaFollette, Sr. / Herbert S. Hadley (Republican)[15], William D. Haywood / Julius A. Wayland (Socialist)[16]
1917-1921: Leonard Wood / Miles Poindexter (Republican)[17]
1916: James B. Clark / William Sulzer (Democratic), Eugene V. Debs / Arthur E. Reimer (Socialist)[18]
1921-1925: George C. Pardee / William C. Sproul (Republican)[19]
1920: Harry Lane / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)[20], Leonard Wood / Miles Poindexter (National Republican), Arthur Le Seur / Allen L. Benson (Socialist)
1925-1933: Albert C. Ritchie / William H. Murray (Democratic)[21]
1924: George C. Pardee / William C. Sproul (Republican), William D. Haywood / August Gilhaus (Socialist)[22]
1928: Charles G. Dawes / Henry C. Wallace (Republican)[23], William Z. Foster / Robert N. Baldwin (Socialist)[24]

1933-1939: William E. Borah / Quentin Roosevelt (Republican)[25]
1932: Cordell Hull / John P. Tumulty (Democratic), Norman M. Thomas / Jay Lovestone (Socialist)[26]
1936: Eamon de Valera / Jesse H. Jones (Democratic)[27], James P. Cannon / James H. Mauer (Socialist)[28]

1939-1941: Quentin Roosevelt / vacant (Republican)[29]
1941-1944: Quentin Roosevelt / Charles L. McNary (Republican)[30]
1940: Eamon de Valera / John H. Bankhead II (Democratic)[31], Maynard C. Krueger / James W. Ford (Socialist)[32]
1944-1945: Quentin Roosevelt / vacant (Republican)
1945-1949: Quentin Roosevelt / Herbert C. Hoover (Republican)

1944: James F. Byrnes / Paul V. McNutt (Democratic)[33]
1949-1953: Eamon de Valera / Richard B. Russell, Jr. (Democratic)[34]
1948: Quentin Roosevelt / Herbert C. Hoover (Republican)
1953-1956: Henry A. Wallace / Vito A. Marcantonio (Republican)[35]
1952: Eamon de Valera / Richard B. Russell, Jr. (Democratic), Hubert H. Humphrey Jr. / Paul A. Denver (Reform)[36]
1956-1957: Henry A. Wallace / vacant (Republican)
1957-1961: Henry A. Wallace / Prescott S. Bush (Republican)
[37]
1956: W. Stuart Symington / Joseph R. McCarthy (Democratic)[38]
1961-1965: Adlai E. Stevenson II / George A. Smathers (Democratic)[39]
1960: Prescott S. Bush / Wayne L. Morse (Republican)
1965-1973: Robert B. Meyner / Samuel W. Yorty (Democratic)[40]
1964: George W. Romney / J. Lawton Collins (Republican), George A. Smathers / J. Strom Thurmond (States’ Rights Democratic)[41]
1968: George W. Romney / Thurgood Marshall (Republican)[42], John R. Rarick / Ronald W. Reagan (States’ Rights Democratic)[43]

1973-1981: Thurgood Marshall / Elliot L. Richardson (Republican)[44]
1972: Walter F. Mondale / John V. Lindsey (Democratic)
1976: Frank F. Church III / R. Sargent Shriver (Democratic)[45], Jesse A. Helms, Jr. / Paul D. Harkins (Free American)[46]

1981-1982: William W. Bradley / Patricia N. S. Schroeder (Democratic)[47]
1980: Howard H. Baker, Jr. / Pierre S. Du Point IV (Republican)
1982-1985: Patricia N. S. Schroeder / vacant (Democratic)[48]
1985-1989: Patricia N. S. Schroeder / Daniel P. Moynihan (Democratic)[49]
1984: Elliot L. Richardson / John A. Anderson (Republican)
1989-1993: Ralph Nader / Lloyd M. Bentsen, Jr. (Democratic)[50]
1988: George H. W. Bush / Jack F. Kemp (Republican)

Notes

[1] - Foraker's term was a short and unpleasant one, the latest Ohio Republican attempted to solve the economic depression America was slipping into by raising tariffs, which in turn just caused more labor unrest in the US. Most notable for continuing President Cleveland's practice of supporting the monarchy in Hawaii and the transfer of the Protectorate of the Congo Free State from King Leopold to the office of the President, which in turn meant his last weeks in office did end with a nice internationalist capstone.

[2] - David B. Hill would have had little reason to accept a demotion to the Vice Presidency like Ed had him accept. Its much more likely that he'd have accepted a post such as Secretary of State or Treasury. Instead as a sop to the rising populist movement, just like IOTL, the Democrats go with Pro-Silver, Pro-Business Adlai Stevenson. It doesn't help.

[3] - Senator Bryan and Governor Hogg come in thanks to Foraker's inability to turn the economic situation in the country around. Bryan's large plans to reform the country though with the creation of entitlements, income taxes, Free Silver and and redistribution. He found quickly that Conservative Democrats and Republicans were in a position to make sure none of that happened. The failure to pass a Silver bill, and the economic recovery that came anyway assured the term was not remembered too well.

[4] - Part of the reason that Bryan was able to win was the Gold breakaway Democrats were even weaker then IOTL and unable to sap away votes. Bragg / McKinney though was a pretty balanced ticket North and South.

[5] - Henry Cabot Lodge came in on the tails of Bryan's failures bringing Progressive governance to America for the first time. Experts were appointed to the cabinet and Exerts reorganized the US Army and Navy based on European Experiences in the late Entente War. Most notable as President for the passage of a follow up to his prized 1890 Enforcement Act which was Pocket Vetoed by the House, in 1902. The Force Act empowered US Marshalls and in some circumstances Federalized Militia or US Armed Forces to ensure fair voting for Federal Elections, that is to say ensured eligible Black Voters remained eligible and counted.

[6] - William F. Villas in the face of continued Bryanite dominance had no problem running as a National Democrat, with Buckner as his VP they did what Bragg was unable to, and broke Bryan's voting blocks.

[7] - The Social Democratic party formed in a similar manner to IOTL though with a more inclusive ideology which over the years would allow for Socialist Labor and Syndicalist entries to continue and grow.

[8] - Following the failure of Bryan the Populists were chased from power, the 1904 Democratic ticket though attempted with Blackburn to appeal to Southern voters and Populists while Olney's nomination marked the triumph of the National Democrats

[9] - Populist Senator Butler and Charles A. Towne marked the separation of the Populists and Democrats by winning one state, that of Colorado.

[10] - Hearst's election brought in another Self Declared Progressive, though historians have debated the authenticity of his claims for such ever since. Hearst is generally remembered for his "Politics of Grandeur", the development of a National Democratic Political Machine, and the passage of Old Age Pensions. In 1913 oversaw a War Scare with Britain, over a British Companies attempt to secure land in Colombia to build a Inter-Ocean Canal. Secured the Nicaraguan Purchase for the completion of a US Controlled sea route upon the fall of the Unionist Government in the UK.

[11] - Sherman / Sheldon was nominated because of Sherman's respectability to both Conservative and Progressive factions of the Party, while Sheldon served as a patsy for Theodore Roosevelt, who unable to arrive at the convention in time did serve as a Republican Kingmaker by telegraph.

[12] - Debs stepped down in 1908 to Run for Congress (He won his seat and would there after take the Illinois Senate Seat, a single feat in the history of the Socialist Party of America), Max Hayes, a former challanger in the AFL marked the rise of Syndicalism in American Socialism. And was able to secure a popular vote total akin to the widely Respected Debs all the same.

[13] - William Jennings Bryan's Campaign Manager, and Postmaster and the long suffering Congressman Watson were unable to revive Populist fortunes as the party finally faded into obscurity.

[14] - McAdoo was a surprise choose but his relationship with Ambassador to the Court of St. James Woodrow Wilson (Before his untimely assassination in London) helped secure a young fresh face for the ticket in the face of Questions about Hearst's associations and business dealings with Oil Companies and Federal leases.

[15] - Robert La Follette's run was hampered from the start by Yellow Press accusations about his mental health, none the less has he won just two more states with under 15,000 votes between them, he would have been the next president. Questions about the results from Mississippi and California would lead many to say for years the election was stolen.

[16] - Big Bill Haywood, chair of the IWW and major Socialist Party Figure won a million votes with his Syndicalist language. His coattails in turn brought half a dozen Socialists to Congress. Though many in the Old Guard of the party were uncomfortable with him and the Socialist Labor party veterans who backed him.

[17] - Leonard Wood, ally of the Late Teddy Roosevelt and hero of the Congo would eventually be remembered for only one thing. Mexico. The controversial US intervention he would order into the country would tear the nation apart, as would his use of Federalized militia to break Anti-War strikes that followed. Casualties were high, results were limited, and the Mexican PR campaign against it was massively successful in the United States thus assuring that Wood would be remembered as one of the nations greatest failures. (On another AH.com he gets the Wilson Hate FYI)

[18] - Senator Debs returned to the Ticket in 1916, campaigning with alot of support from the IWW and Haywood, around this time the AFL begain to fold up due to Union defections and Debs would use this to win more then 6% of the National Vote.

[19] - Pardee was elected in a close race after the RNC dumped Wood, who in turn continued to run as an Independent. It was Pardee who immediately began to withdraw the Army from Mexico and normalize relations with the new government there. Pardee though doubled down at home, rejecting Wood's Lily White GOP and passing two landmark laws over the heads of the battered Segregationists of the South, the reenstatement of the Enforcement Act which had been crippled by Hearst, and the 1921 Federal Anti-Lynching Act which turned those monstrous events into Federal Crimes.

[20] - Harry Lane, sick, and dying ran a brilliant campaign in 1920 against the Intervention which he so vigorously opposed. His speeches also showed support for Civil Rights which cost him the win, but meant that when he died that November his legacy would help Pardee pass his own legislation, and of course helped ensure the Mexican Pullout.

[21] - Ritchie was elected due to the economic collapse that hit in the last months of Pardee's term. Cutting Government spending did little to help people quickly but it did allow for the continued growth of the Democratic National Machine of Hearst as local and state parties used trickle down graft to help the poor. By 1928 the economy has recovered mostly in urban areas to assure Ritchies reelection, his second term being focused entirely on counter-acting his old stances to help fight the Dust Bowl in the midwest. As a lame duck, Ritchie would assure his legacy by helping Canada and Newfoundland declare their Neutrality in the Great War, and create the Exclusion Zone to prevent a Royal Navy retaliation for this desertion by the two new Republics.

[22] - Haywood's return saw Socialist fortunes return to the upswing after the Compromise ticket of 1920 failed to keep the fire lit. The memory of Debs and the IWW at the height of its Power assured that nearly 10% of the country voted for Haywood. The years that followed though would not be kind as IWW membership begain a downswing as other Independent Unions formed seeking better pay rather then revolution, and many of the IWW's leading members went to die in Portugal.

[23] - Dawes the Economic leader of the Republicans and Henry C. Wallace (Father of the future President) and party Agricultural expert attempted to bring the party back to victory, but found economic recovery a hard pill to swallow.

[24] - Syndicalist Foster was able to keep the party vote total above 2 million but it didn't do too much good.

[25] - Progressive William E. Borah came into the White House promising more then just bandages, and he quickly delivered in the first 100 days of his term, seeing the passage of a Welfare package to help the poor, the creation of a University of the United States, and a year later the 1934 Civil Rights act and the 1935 Voting Rights Act which would serve in coming years to finally break the back of Legal Segregation. Borah continued the Ritchie doctrine, having the US Navy patrol the exclusion zone and recognizing that Canada and Newfoundland needed US aid to stay out of the European War. Attempts to influence Liberal Republican and Neutral theory in the British Carribean failed to have an impact and that region would become the West Indian Worker's Republic after the Red Revolution in 1938-1940. Borah refused to allow US companies to supply the Blue Forces in the British Civil War which many would later blame for that side's defeat. Died in office of a Stroke in late 1939. His young Congressmen-turned-VP was a major face though the entirety of the administration, a corporate manager for Borah's corporate visionary-president.

[26] - Thomas the "Moderate" and Lovestone the Syndicalist were the first Socialist ticket to drop under 1.5 million since 1908.

[27] - The Governor of New York won the ticket in 1936 having been denied in by a slim margin at the '32 convention. A leading figure of Tammany Hall, he called for populist reforms, including a national income, and ruthlessly worked to centralize the Democratic National Machine. (See a mixture of his IOTL Irish self, Al Smith without morals, WJB without pretend morals and Huey Long, also shades of FDR and Jackson to lighten things up.) Campaigned heavily in the South, first in defense of the holdouts of segregation and eventually for the "Southern Way of Life" that was non-legal segregation. Only major Non-Southern gain from 1932 was the Democratic retaking of New York.

[28] - James P. Cannon temporally revived Socialist fortunes, with 1 in 12 Americans voting for him. The last Socialist ticket before the British refugees and News from the Revolution and Civil War would come to America's shores.

[29] - Borah's death would allow Roosevelt to ascend to the top, while Borah's survival would probably have seen someone else lined up to gain the Republican nomination in 1940. The 1940 Convention was notable for Roosevelt's speech in a Black Uniform, and the use of European filmmakers to orchestrate a convention for presentation to the American public with aura of power.

[30] - Roosevelt / McNary oversaw the revitalization of US forces in the aftermath of the British Revolution and the US reaction in the Congo to the rise of Kimbalugism. Roosevelt also was the first American President to develop backroom ties to the German Government and the nations of the Manila Pact, with a series of Informal agreements to deal with the rising threat of Syndicalism, breaking with his Predecessors strict neutrality, while continuing a US policy of refusing to recognize the FWR.

[31] - Dev would lose New York state and blame his losses on the "Ghost" of Borah. Having lost the governorship this election (With New York remaining on a two year term) he would regain in in 1942 and hold it for a few more years as he rebuilt his image, and developed his popularity in a skeptically Anti-Catholic South.

[32] - Maynard C. Krueger / James W. Ford (Socialist) would bring to the table the first Black candidate by a party of note, but would be just as noted for being the first Socialist Ticket since 1908 to fall below one million votes. Splits in the party would continue at an accelerating rate, and thus this would mark the last organized ticket of the party before obscurity for the American Radical Left.

[33] - With Dev sitting out and Roosevelt's popularity continuing to rise with all of the Republican base except Blacks (He having inherited his Father's Paternal Racism), South Carolina's James Brynes (First Southerner at the top of a major ticket since before the Civil War) came to plate and failed to even hold the Solid South together (And not just losing Texas, Tennessee, and Mississippi). Machine foot solider McNutt failing to bring anything else to the table on his own.

[34] - In 1948, Roosevelt having been the longest serving President of all time, went for his own, elected third term. And it was then that the Rivalry with Dev, came to an end. It has been 16 years since Roosevelt had first joined the Republican ticket and it was this time that he went too far. Dev was elected in how own right, and would spend his term doing what he could to empower the machine, and not support Civil Rights. His Great Society programs to help the poor (While keeping them that way), included reeducation camps for wayward youth, both the gang, and "Sexual divenent" (Gays, unmarried pregant girls, etc.) crowds. First Catholic president.

[35] - And then for Dev it all came crashing down, for 20 years he and Roosevelt had dueled and he was defeated by the man who had defeated his rival for the nomination, Henry A. Wallace. Wallace's anti-corruption ticket proved highly popular, and was swept in on a landslide, aided by the FWR-enduced recession that had hit US markets in 1950. Oversaw the passage of the ERA during his first term.

[36] - HHH led a revolt in the Democrats calling for Civil Rights measures to be accepted by the party and for the end of the Democratic National Machine. Won two states.

[37] - Wallace's second term, with Prescott Bush as his moderate VP, was centered on a growing conflict in Africa, as Kimbalugists attempted to overthrow simaltaniously the government of the Congo Free State, Portugal-in-Angola and the Kantangan Workers Republic. The "African Great War" would expand and expand dragging in most of the European Powers into a shooting war, and the destruction of the East African Federation, the Katangan FWR (Annexed by South Africa) and years of quagmire. US Forces at various times fought rebels in the Congo of the religious and Marxist variety, the FWR navy and the Angolans. The war would drag on for years to come after the inital massive and bloody flare up as it turned into an Insurgency/Counter-Insurgency fight for the remainder of Wallace's administration and beyond.

[38] - Stuart Symingtons run with the Democrat from Wisconsin marked the triumph of Anti-Machine Democrats, without it they didn't do great, but both men were proud to declare they had fought fair. Symington and McCarthy would both return to Congress, where McCarthy would return to his quiet backbench and die within a year, while Symington would campaign hard for a stronger military to stand against the FWR and the Russians.

[39] - Stevenson had hoped on taking office to see an end to the War in Africa, instead he oversaw its expansion as US forces began Cross-River raids into the Congolese Worker's Republic and the fall of Kesselring's East African Federation saw chaos spill into Somalia and Italian East Africa. Stevenson would prove unable to end the war though in negotiations to end it he became the first US President to formally recognize the FWR in an attempt to secure a peace that didn't come. His poor health would see that his first term would be his only term as he stepped down, calling for more militaristic leadership.

[40] - Robert B. Meyner would prove just that force, keeping control in the Democrats he would see the deployment of a large conscript Army to the Congo and eventually, secure independence for the colony under its own Liberal Government. Oversaw the deployment of US Marines to the French Coast when the war against Algerian rebels in that country turned into a Syndicalist sponsored Civil War. At home saw the introduction of busing, and appointed the first Black Supreme Court Justice (Martin Luther King, Jr. who here was an attorney).

[41] - Sore Convention Loser Smathers would take Meyner's positive Race Relations stance and lead a Southern Revolt which would win 3 states and destroy his political career.

[42] - George Romney, Pro-Civil Rights governor of Michigan, ran with the Senator from Maryland who was the first Black candidate of a major party for the Vice-Presidency. Had they won California though, they would have won. Romney after his second defeat would spend the next four years as a special diplomat for Meyner in helping warm Hispanidad-US relations to help contain syndicalism in the Americas to the West Indies Workers Republic.

[43] - Ronald Reagan, Actor turned Democratic Congressmen would lose his race for the Vice Presidency and simultaneously, his attempt to secure a California Senator's seat thus ending his political career in one evening.

[44] - And then Marshall won it for himself. Durring his term in office, France's attempted Revolution ended with continued Liberal Government, South Africa liberalized racially while renewing its ties with Australia, West Australia and New Zealand, and Moseley in the FWR finally died. The death of the great leader (Big Brother as he was called by the common workers in the former UK) would plunge the Federation into a leadership crisis which turned Civil War as Syndicalists in the British Isles and India turned against each other before his body turned cold. The world was plunged into Chaos. Across Africa FWR forces turned against each other, while Nationalists attempted to free their own nations. Marshall ordered the Marines into Guyana, Belize, Jamaica and the rest of the Syndicalist islands in the Caribbean (And Bermuda) to secure the hemisphere. And then Russia and Japan attacked China again. Germany was forced to intervene and France saw renewed Syndicalist revolts. The Second Great War was well underway when Japanese submarines sank several US ships bound for China leading to a declaration of War on the US' part. In the end Russia saw the Czar killed and a Liberal Democracy of shakey credentials installed, and Millions of Chinese troops occupying Japan's home islands having fought their way off the beaches. For the FWR, India had lost the West African republics, but maintained its grip in the Indian ocean. The West African Republics had fallen to European or Nationalist forces, and the British Isles were cut off under a Syndicalist Junta, with no diplomatic or trade ties to anyone.

[45] - In the midst of the war, the Democrats ran an Anti-War candidate. He did not do well.

[46] - Neither did his Southern Racist dick counterpart, who only won South Carolina, a win which ensured that major Federal resources would be sent to break down racial barriers in that one holdout state.

[47] - By the time Marshall stepped down, the FWR-in-India had started to collapse in on itself, as Caliphate Forces wrecked its control of Yemen and Somaliland, and the government lost control of Death Squads on the continent proper. And in the British Isles the Three Workers Repubics there were by all reports starting to starve as their own death squads working for the new Big Brother, fought to maintain control by bombing their own people from helicopters. Bradley was meeting with German and allied leaders about a new course of action in dealing with each state, as well as the Russian situation when he was killed by a Syndicalist gunmen, along with the President of France.

[48] - Meaning the simmering crisis would have to be handled by America's first Female President, the Iron Lady, Pat Schroder. And it was under her watch that in 1984 negotiations with the regime in London came to a fruition and Britain was opened to international aid and the Syndicalist regime gave in at last. US Peacekeeping troops would play a key part in the rebuilding while in India, the regime in charge would reorganize the nation into 6 workers Republics (Ceylon included) and seek to begin "reforms", as it kept its organization in power while giving up on the Evangelical fight at last.

[49]- And thus it was in Schroders second term, as the world at last began to settle down. A final note was that in 1989 under International control the world's first atomic weapon was detonated, too late to have been used in the Second Great War, thankfully, and research began into developing the technology for energy purposes. US peacekeeping commitments though would make sure that the Iron Lady would not be popular enough to run for a third term, inspire of the US triumphs on the world stage.

[50] - And then came Congressmen Nader, who in turn would start to see the end of US peacekeeping commitments, the continual normalization of relations with the FWR-India, and the recession that would begin with the Russian Democratic Republic's coup in 1994, denying its markets and resources to the world for some time. Nader though would continue to aid the rebuilding of Britain as that nation, unlike the Russians and many others began to flourish under a new Democratic Government, not led by exiles but by generations of dissidents which had stayed home, and sided with the Workers against the Worker's Regime.
 
Christmas List!

A Theoretical Look Forward (For the Holidays): It's A Wonderful Life

Yup I'm back to this, at least for a little while with something festive for the season. Or unfestive to show just how bad things can go when things go bad. It is one of the great classics of American Film and certainly one of the best Holiday films ever made: 1946's Its a Wonderful Life showed in the penultimate segment of the movie a horrible alternate world so different from the New Deal and WWII positivism of its first half the Life of George Bailey (Jimmy Stewart). In perhaps the most famous Alternate History sequence in the 20th Century we catch a glimpse of a world where George, at his lowest point wishes he had never been born.

What he sees is a world where the small upstate New York town of Bedford Falls has turned into a sinful Mecca, now Pottersville where the anti-democratic, guilded age bully of Mr. Potter (Lionel Barrymore) has triumphed. It is a town of slums, bunco, gambling dens, prostitution and corruption. It is a town the New Deal never touched. It is a town that shows something horrible to the view of 1946: An America where the idealism, blood and tears of the last decade had come to naught. An America where the death of their sons and fathers and brothers in the Jungles of the South Pacific, the Cold Waters of the North Atlantic and the Hills of Italy had meant nothing. A world where America had struggled for nothing so pure as a repeat of its other "bad" wars. Luckily, God (And his man Clarence) are only showing George the good one man can do, even for all the pain and loss he had suffered. In the end, that Christmas night the town rallys to him, and his low point is passed, the Bailey Savings and Loan is saved, and the future of Bedford Falls and thus America is saved, the town rallying to save its hero and thus assuring with the passage of time his and the New Deal's Victory.

Obviously I love watching this damned movie every year.

Anyway, it occurred to me that thats an Alternate History worth discussing, where WWII means nothing so much as a hollow, brutal American triumph. As Bedford Falls is in New York, its decent into the cheap thrills town of Pottersville inherently must require the triumph of the old machine forces that were either doomed or eradicated by Smith, Roosevelt, Lehman, and Dewey. For simplicities sake I'm operating under the enjoyable idea that just as Smith got the successor he didn't want with FDR, Frank wasn't able to get the man he wanted in 1932. This is a place where New York was led though the Depression by Henry Breckenridge and in WWII by Charles Poletti (Look him up, he's fun). that is to say Liberalism in one of the great hearts of Liberalism has just been gutted. Enjoy!

1945-1946: Harry S. Truman / vacant (Democratic)[1]
1946-1949: James F. Byrnes / vacant [Acting] (Democratic)[2]
1949-1957: John W. Bricker / H. Styles Bridges (Republican)[3]
1948: James F. Byrnes / Henry A. Wallace (Democratic)[4]
1952: W. Averell Harriman / Claude D. Pepper (Democratic)

1957-1961: Raymond E. Baldwin / Kenneth S. Wherry (Republican)[5]
1956: Adlai E. Stevenson III / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1961-1967: J. Strom Thurmond / John F. Kennedy (Democratic)[6]
1960: Raymond E. Baldwin / Kenneth S. Wherry (Republican), Hubert H. Humphrey II / Helen G. Douglas (Progressive)[7]
1964: William F. Graham, Jr. / William F. Knowland (Republican)[8]

1967-1969: John F. Kennedy / vacant (Democratic)
1969-1977: John F. Kennedy / Albert A. Gore, Sr. (Democratic)
[9]
1968: Barry M. Goldwater / Prescott S. Bush (Republican)
1972: Barry M. Goldwater / Robert H. Finch (Republican), Eugene J. McCarthy / Paul N. McCloskey (Liberal)[10]

1977-1981: S. Theodore Agnew / John G. Tower (Republican)[11]
1976: R. Sargent Shriver / Ernest F. Hollings (Democratic)[12]
1981-1985: Robert C. Byrd / Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic)[13]
1980: S. Theodore Agnew / John G. Tower (Republican)
1985-1993: S. Theodore Agnew / H. Ross Perot (Republican)[14]
1984: Robert C. Byrd / Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1988: Robert F. Kennedy / Jesse A. Helms, Jr. (Democratic)


Notes
[1]- Harry Truman had been selected at the 1944 Democratic National convention thanks to his patrons in Kansas City, Tammany Hall, and Chicago. It was he who ordered the dropping of the Atomic bombs on Japan and it was he who saw the end of the war. Led by the nose by his bosses he oversaw then the unenthusiastic American occupation of Germany and Japan and the entry of the United States into a new reformed League of Nations in the form of the UN.

In 1946 charges Truman found himself opposed by much of Congress in his hopes of averting a post war recession. When questions arose about what happened to money in spending bills he did secure the Conservative Coalition struck rapidly, "Pendergast Given Keys to Fort Knox!" said a headline on the Chicago Tribune. Investigations followed, as did questions raised by members of Truman's own cabinet. Money was missing and it was eventually found in the hands of machine men protected and appointed by the former Senator from Kansas.

The Presidents resignation was more or less forced by the summer of 1946.

[2] - Byrnes as Secretary of State has the support of Conservative Republicans and Democrats alike to assume leadership in the wake of the Truman disaster. It was he who would gain everlasting respect as the man who wound down the New Deal "Now that the job is done." It was he who saw limitations placed on wasteful programs like the GI bill, and saw the end of meddlesome Federal quotas on racial hires. Byrnes hoped to make an America that stayed out of its people's business. And that certainly included the business of lynching, not a finger was raised when Black servicemen returning home were murdered in their uniforms. Not a finger was raised when they were facing Molotov cocktails in Watts. Not a finger was raised as Jews were kept out of neighborhoods and jobs. When suspected "Reds" were lynched either when the "Red Scare" began in earnest.

Abroad, Byrnes soured the Allied relationships by demanding the rapid payment of debts, and as he ended the business of Denazification except at the top in Germany, hoping to see a strong enough bulwark to Communism created to allow the US to leave an ungrateful Europe behind.

While many complained about all this, most did not at home. The American people were tired of depression, war, and force-fed reforms. This was a time to hope to save up and buy a new Ford, to live in your cheap apartment, and to enjoy the occasional break at a place like Pottersville just up the highway. In shitty times like these of the post war recession, one was lucky to have a roof over ones head and a job at the factory. To ask for more was only to ask for trouble.

[3] - Bricker, Bob Taft's chosen man won easily the 1948 GOP Primary and found the national election even easier to sweep. America wanted change. And they got it, as Social Security was scrapped down to a voluntary retirement-only program. And 1951 saw the first balanced budget in US history since Andrew Jackson. America left Germany behind in 1950, and didn't bother with any of the desperate British and French talks of an Atlantic Treaty. America left Japan too in the hands of the "Right Sort" who knew the real problem had been to the North, not the East.

Bricker is remembered mostly for his 1949 passage of a Criminalization of Homosexuality Act. Making Sodomy a Federal offense, and for his reaction to Negro protests in 1955, when the 82nd Airborne Division was ordered into Montgomery Alabama to crush a "Communist Insurrection" that had started when local priests had started what they claimed was merely a boycott of the city buses. It was that strong action in the name of order and morality that would see the Solid South finally come to an end, with the white voters of Southern States joining the rest of the nation in being able to vote for Republicans if they wanted too. So long as the GOP offered the "Right Sort".

1952 Incidentally was the first time the GOP removed all references to Equal Rights, be it for women or minorities from their platform.

[4] - Wallace seemed like an odd fit for Byrnes VP, but the one time Secretary of Commerce was more than willing to try and make a stand against Brickner. Byrnes promised him the moon and meant none of it, Wallace wouldn't realize that he'd get nothing until years later, the political dimwit that he was.

[5] - Senator Baldwin was supported by Bricker and the GOP establishment at large in 1956, and would oversee the continued deployment of Federal troops to help clamp down on riots and other forms of violence in the South. His most notable actions would be gained in 1959 when he refused calls for help from the French, British and West German governments in the face of a Soviet attack across the border. West Germany, east of the Rhine and all of Austria would be incorporated into the GDR by 1960, after a ceasefire would see the Rhine become the new Iron Curtain.

[6] - In 1960 though America was ready for a Change. And that came in the form of the respected Senator and former Governor of South Carolina. Thurmond would oversee the creation of a "New Welfare State" for White America, and the continued piecemeal deployment of US troops at home and the FBI on investigations to deal with various incidents in the American South and America's cities. It was during his term that the first modern auto-suburbs first begain to appear as middle-management clerks and their economic contemporaries moved out of the cities and formed their own "Gated Communities".

Thurmond, a veteran of WWII was probably the first American President since Roosevelt to bring America back onto the World Stage as a full player, quitting the United Nations and signing treaties with Spain, Australia, Ireland, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Chile, and Venezuela and the new regimes of the Sixth Republic in France and Empire of Japan in the name of preventing the spread of Communism. The Washington Pact as it was called would see Communism more or less contained in Europe and the East Asian mainland. In 1965 the War against Communism would gain a new Front as Thrumond allied with Belgium and South Africa, seeing the first deployments of American troops and air support in the fight against Red Insurgencies in Africa, the first of a decades long series of such short, bloody "Police Actions."

Thurmond would be assassinated by a deranged "Red Diaper Baby" while visiting California in 1967, which would long secure him a place as one of America's Greatest Presidents, a title occasionally disputed by historians.

[7] - Thurmond's Vice President, wasn't enough to appease the Left of the Democrats in 1960 who split on a ticket calling for an end to Segregation.

Wondering why Douglas was still a senator at that point? Well Harry Bailey died in 1919, when he fell though the ice. No pilot was over that transport to shoot down that Japanese Kamikaze attack. An entire entire battalion of Marines and another of Navy support troops was slaughtered off that sad island. Among them was a well respected, and loyal officer who would be remembered as doing what he could for his shore-based sailors. Dick Nixon died a hero, but a forgotten one, in a war that in the end didn't make much of its heroes, living or dead.

[8] - A sign of changing times, the GOP nominated its first Southern candidate in 1964. Billy Graham's denunciations of the Catholic Democrat went far. As did his calls for a "New System in the South, truly Separate and truly equal."

[9]- Kennedy, a northern man knew the Democratic Party couldn't be the party of segregation forever. And so he became the man who created a new system: "Law and Order". The watchword wasn't race anymore, it was subversion and crime. It was the creation of new prisons, the arrests of millions on new laws. New economics to help poor white Americans and keep those unwanted sorts somewhere else. Redlining was a new national policy in cities. And it was wildly popular.

Abroad, it was Kennedy who made up for his Father's sins when in 1975 the UK was finally welcomed into the Washington Pact.

[10] - Another Liberal split, this one failing to gain any states would long be remembered as the Death Knell of the Democratic Liberals. It would also be the last major third party run before Federal Law would see new requirements that turned American politics into a fully closed game, in the name of crushing "Freedom Parties" forming in the American south.

[11] - Ted Agnew would sweep into office in 1976, a popular, populist, reform-minded governor. It was Agnew who would see the largest privatization of Federal Land in history, and it was Agnew would would pass the Balanced Budget Amendment of 1979. Under Agnew Dr. Martin Luther King would finally die in the prison he'd sat in since 1956, the world's most famous Political prisoner.

Also under Agnew though, America would see its troops in major combat operations for the first time since World War II as a US-led coalition invaded the "Heart of African Rabble Rousing" in Socialist Egypt. Initial popularity though would prove to be troublesome as casualties mounted in the occupation.

[12] - Kennedy's Secretary of State and Brother in Law would prove unable to keep up the mantle, and would see one of the worst results for a Democrat ever in the South with a Southern VP. An accidentally recorded comment on the need for "Negros to be secure in their voting rights". Created the political term of "Doing a Shiver": That is negating all of your good work with one dumb comment.

[13] - Former Klansmen Robert Byrd was a triumphant American president, pulling troops out of Egypt immediately on taking office, in a move which would see that nation's new regime fall with in a year, replaced only by years of constant civil war. Byrd didn't mind, calling the fate of America's Cairo puppets: "Just what always happens to leaders in Africa." and calling the ensuing Civil War "Just as great a victory for world stability."

At home, Byrd ramped up the new politics of Law and Order by expanding it massively towards Hispanics and by introducing a new segment to it: "The War on Crime and Drugs" which saw mass incarceration and executions meet a new high for the world, including the regimes of Communist China and the Soviet Union.

[14] - Agnew's return was heralded as a victory for American Democracy as he promised a return to "normalized policing." It was so good he won a third term. Though the only pardons he ever issued were for political allies caught in questionable financial interactions. Agnew would be massively popular though over the next few years, as he followed policies of trickle down economics to help the Captains of American Industry create jobs, and saw a winding down of US conflict with the Soviets following his conferences with the Premier of the USSR in Istanbul. The Coke-for-White-People filled prosperity of the 1980's would secure for Agnew very fond memories stretching all the way into the 21st Century.

Agnew incidentally, would be the last WWII veteran to serve as president after the end of his third term. By then Pottersville was the "Vegas of the East", a mecca of depravity enjoyed by many a man who scraped together his savings for one hedonistic weekend away from his horrific slum and his back breaking job. Agnew would visit it repeatedly as a shining example of "America at Play."

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A Theoretical Look Forward: TL-191: The South Still Rises

The date of its fall was long one for debate among various groups. For some it was when Jake Featherston met the three rounds of Cassius Madison's rifle. For others it was when Don Partridge fumbled an attempt to talk the US into letting him run a government-under occupation. Or the day the Socialists endorsed Bob Taft's readmission plan, or perhaps the day the Freedom Party came to office. The real answer, to when the South Fell was the day South Carolina left the Union in 1860 but that was irrelevant so far into the 20th Century.

For the three elections at the end of the Second Great War, Democrats took the top office in the land, overseeing the occupation, reeducation, defreedomization and liberalization of the former Confederacy. At the same time the Socialist party faced dire straights from the dominance on the right and the rise of the new left in American politics. Thus it was that in 1957 upon taking office Socialist President Rexford Tugwell began to seek a drastic realignment in American politics to secure his position. In 1958 the most famous --- or infamous --- act of his New Deal took place when voters in nine southern states agreed on renewed independence as a Democratic, demilitarized US protectorate. One year later they would vote in their first President with US approval.

1960-1990: James E. Carter (Popular Radical Party of the Confederacy)
1960-1969: George C. Wallace, Jr. (Popular Radical)
1969-1972: vacant (Popular Radical)
1972-1980: J. Terry Sanford (Popular Radical)
1980-1984: D. Kenneth Rush (Popular Radical)
1984-1985: J. Lane Kirkland (Popular Radical)
1985-1990: W. Henson Moore III (Popular Radical)

Carter's age had prevented him from seeing much of the war, spending the first year still in High School, the second two under constricted instruction at the Naval Academy in Mobile and then spending most of 1943 and 44 in hospital when on a ten day leave visiting his home he came close to being killed in a Guerrilla attack. Following his rehabilitation he was assigned by the occupation authorities to the Southern Mine Sweeping Administration, and after his discharge became active in the post-reunion political system. In 1956 he and other Southern Liberals would unite to create their own regionalist party.

When the Pro-Independence forces won the 1958 Plebiscite, Carter and his hearkening back to the old Radical Liberals and a vision of the future proved to be a popular option compared to the attempts of a revived Whig Party (The Old Aristocracy), the National Statesmen (The Southern Democrats) or the Socialist Party. In an overwhelming win Carter secured his first six year term, and an absolute majority in the unicameral House of Representatives. Over the next 30 years Carter would thus dominate the politics of the South.

He would transform the country economically and politically. In regards to the United States, even as he called for an end of the Pacific Standoff with Japan and the continued American involvement in the "British Question" he would stand by his initial agreement in Washington, D.C. allowing the continued existence of the US territory of the Keys, as well as US bases across the Confederacy. He would not seek, no matter how much the population sought it, reunion with Texas, nor called for plebiscites in Sonora, Chihuahua, Cuba, Virginia or Kentucky. At home his decades of leadership would see the rise of Confederate Industry on a scale never before seen, thanks to years of heavy national investment in resources development and more importantly education. In 1980 he would finally give in to considerable amounts of Pressure both from nationalists at home and the US to create the Confederate United Forces, a Defense Force which would over the next several decades serve as a Peacekeeping force for World Congress interventions in Latin America and Asia, but decidedly not in Africa. Having secured victory in five elections for 6-year terms, Carter finally stepped down from the Presidency in 1990. After that he would serve for the next 21 years in the cabinet, serving as Secretary of State, Secretary of Minority Protections and finally as National Advocate.

1990-2006: W. Henson Moore, III (Popular Radical)
1990-1993: W. Thad Cochran (Popular Radical)
1993-1995: Harold E. Ford, Sr. (Popular Radical)
1995-2005: John W. Carter (Popular Radical)
2005-2006: C. Trent Lott (Popular Radical)

Following the departure of President Carter, Louisiana Politician Henson Moore, a dull and decently effective technocrat would assume the chief office of the country, winning for himself two elections, neither of which earned him less than 81% of the national vote. He would be noted for having the first Afro-Confederate Vice President with Harold Ford, and the son of his predecessor as another VP for ten years after that.

Constitutionally his most prominent actions would be the passage of the Amendment for having the House of Representatives be elected proportionally. His term would be most notable for seeing though the end of the Carter Era "Confederate Miracle" as the economy faced recession for the first time in 1994. His work to preserve the basic social welfare system was not popular at the time, but without any major opposition parties to be found his position was secure for the remainder of his administration. During his term the CUF would begin to face the crisis of the Redeemer Front, which based in the failing state of Texas would trigger even after the US-Mexican occupation of that republic, years of bombings and shootings and the threat of further violence to the south for the first time in decades. By 2006 Moore was viewed as just unpopular enough that he might cause the party problems with the next election and as it was noted, he was looking very tired.

2006-201-: John W. Carter (Popular Radical)
2006-2008: C. Trent Lott (Popular Radical)
2008-201-: Benjamin S. Bernanke (Popular Radical)

With time enough for a "sweeping" series of changes President Carter I's son took office and brought the Pop-Rad's another victory in the 2007 elections. President Carter has sought to re-brand the country as an international tourist destination far from the troubles of Asia or South America, with warm beaches, beautiful mountains, and a rich culture. This has worked well on European visitors if not so much on those Yankee's for whom the South will always have one "cultural event". In 2008 his administration was almost destroyed when Trent Lott made some rather unpleasant comments about the service of the last Armies of the Confederacy but the US Ambassador accepted Carter's response and Lott's removal from office. It was only by chance that such a move had removed the only real threat to Carter's power in the party.

As a resurgent China is causing the industries of Asia to weaken in the face of violent clashes with the other Post-Japanese Empire regional powers, Confederate Industry is once more looking like a safe place to invest from Berlin, London (Now, finally in the New European Order), and even in New York. President Carter none-the-less is facing a growing, ever more united front for political reform in the country in the opposition and the 2020 elections may finally see the Popular Radical party dipping below the 60% mark in election returns.

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So obviously its 191 but its also a less-than-creative convergence list. Hooray for copy-cats!
 
Reforming Reds!: A What If of a What If

This is sort of "A Theoretical Look Forward" for a timeline that is already clear about where its going to the very end. Jello has noted repeatedly that Reds! is a setting that came very close to having the Socialist/Communist movement in the United States simply become another party in the previous system, something akin to Labour or the SPD and only the murders and counter-revolutionary violence in the face of the election 1932 really settled the issue once and for all. So this is sort of both a look back, trying to fill in gaps that I haven't been able to find answers too, and a look at what happens if the 1932 Popular Front is able to go into office and start compromising in the name of reform rather than revolution. Me being me, its also another "Unintended Consequences" piece.

Presidents of the United States

1901-1905: William McKinley / Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)[1]
1900: William J. Bryan / Adlai E. Stevenson I (Democratic), Eugene V. Debs / Joseph F. Maloney (Socialist Labor)
1905-1909: Charles W. Fairbanks / William H. Taft (Republican)[2]
1904: Alton B. Parker / James S. Hogg (Democratic), Eugene V. Debs / William W. Cox (Socialist Labor)
1909-1916: William H. Taft / James S. Sherman (Republican)[3]
1908: John A. Johnson / George Turner (National Democratic), Eugene V. Debs / William D. Haywood (Socialist Labor), Charles A. Towne / Jacob S. Coxey (Progressive Coupon --- Official “Popular” Democratic / Populist)[4]
1912: William J. Bryan / Judson Harmon (Democratic), Eugene V. Debs / Emil Seidel (Socialist Labor)

1916-1917: William H. Taft / vacant (Republican)
1917-1921: Thomas R. Marshall / Charles E. Hughes (Unconditional Unionist Party --- Democratic / Republican)
[5]
1916: Allan L. Benson / Arthur E. Reimer (Socialist Labor)[6]
1921-1925: Leonard Wood / Frank O. Lowden (Republican)[7]
1920: John W. Davis / Gilbert M. Hitchcock (Democratic), Eugene V. Debs / Max F. Eastman (Socialist Labor), Alfred E. Smith / Parley P. Christensen (Democratic-Farmer-Labor)[8]
1925-1925: Leonard Wood / Herbert C. Hoover (Republican)
1924: James A. Reed / Alvin M. Owsley (Democratic), Robert M. La Follette, Sr. / Frank T. Johns, Charles W. Bryan (Workers’ / Democratic-Farmer-Labor)[9]
1925-1929: Herbert C. Hoover / vacant (Republican)
1929-1933: Herbert C. Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)

1928: Albert C. Ritchie / B. Patton Harrison (Democratic), Daniel W. Hoan / Solon De Leon (Workers’), Burton K. Wheeler / Floyd B. Olson (Democratic-Farmer-Labor)[10]
1933-1941: Norman M. Thomas / Upton B. Sinclair, Jr. (Popular Front --- Workers’ / Democratic-Farmer-Labor / Non-Partisan League)[11]
1932: Herbert C. Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican), Huey P. Long / Henry W. Jones, Jr. (Democratic)
1936: Milo Reno / Cordell Hull (Democratic), Robert A. Taft / C. Douglass Buck (Republican)

1941-1945: Norman M. Thomas / Dorothy Day (United Front --- "International" Workers' / America First Committee)[12]
1940: Wendell L. Wilkie / W. Franklin Knox (Social Justice Front ---Democratic-Farmer-Labor, Democratic, Official Republican, National Reform Committee, Non-Partisan League), Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. / William B. Bankhead (National Ticket ---Provisional Republican, Jeffersonian)[13]
1945-1953: Earl Warren / James P. Cannon (Second Popular Front ---Democratic-Republican-Farmer-Labor, National Reform Committee, later Independent Communist Party, Non-Partisan League)[14]
1944: Norman M. Thomas / H. Sinclair Lewis (United Front --- International Workers', America First Committee), Clare E. Hoffman / John E. Rankin (Provisional Republican)
1948: John W. Bricker / Martin Dies Jr. (Provisional Republican)[15]


First Secretaries of the United States
1909-1913: T. Woodrow Wilson (Democratic / National Democratic)
1913-1914: Joseph G. Cannon (Republican)
1914-1918: T. Woodrow Wilson (Unconditional Unionist Party --- Democratic)
1918-1920: James R. Mann (Unconditional Unionist Party --- Republican)
1920-1921: James B. Clark (Democratic)
1921-1925: Leonidas C. Dyer (Republican)
1925-1929: Frederick H. Gillett (Republican)
1929-1933: Nicholas Longworth (Republican)
1933-1935: William F. Lemke (Popular Front --- Non-Partisan League)
1935-1940: James A. Farley (Popular Front --- Democratic-Farmer-Labor)
1940-1943: Gerald P. Nye (United Front --- Non-Partisan League, later America First Committee)
1943-1950: Henry J. Kaiser (Second Popular Front --- Democratic, later Democratic-Republican-Farmer-Labor)
1950-1953: John S. Reed (Second Popular Front --- Independent Communist Party)


Notes
[1] - The Second McKinley Administration keeps on keeping on. AND THUS DOOMS AMERICA TO MASSIVE TRANSFORMATIONS...

[2] - During the following Fairbanks administration, Populist, Progressive and Socialist anger at the steadfast refusals of the newest "Veto President" would trigger the launch of constitutional reforms bringing about the era of "Congressional Government", cross party reformist movements come very close to impeaching the President in addition to gutting the powers of the office permanently.

[3] - The Taft administration would be defined by the beginning of the ascendancy of the Progressive Movement in the Republican Party. The reforms of the administration though would be cut short thanks to the treaty of Friendship and Alliance with the United Kingdom signed at the start of the administration. The treaty it had been hoped would give the "Neutral" British added weight to prevent a greater European War. In the end it would instead see the United States send millions of its young men to early graves in France and around the world in a war its people did not want. The long shadow of what would happen when Foreign Entanglements were sought would hang over the United States for decades to come, along with eventual casualties that would make sure that no town did not have a son who didn't come home, or come home whole.

[4] - Short note, I'm sure that over the course of four threads and several hundred pages of discussion, more detail has been offered in the Reds! timeline as to the make up of some of the tickets in the timeline before 1933, I didn't see them. In those times where there are issues of a lack of information, or that a slightly more "plausible" solution is at hand, I took it.

In this instance I had Bryan sit out and play kingmaker, instead overseeing a "Populist" Democrat / Rump Populist ticket from the sidelines. The agrarian reform minded ticket's poor performance in spite of its highly charismatic candidates underscored the failure of the Populist movement to offer much of anything to anyone who wasn't a farmer.

[5] - Yes I know, it didn't have a name. But in 1916 the Democrats and Republicans come together to maintain a united front for the war, least the Anti-War movements in both parties and all of the Socialists start causing trouble. The Republicans gracefully accept second place on the ticket to allow the Democrats to absorb more blame for the war. President Marshall attempts to see reforms on the home front though, from a failed effort for Prohibition to tax reforms. He also oversees the brutal, undemocratic crackdowns against the Socialists, the Orgy of violence that is the end of the war in Europe, and the bloody homefront years that followed.

[6] - Benson was Jello's pick not mine, so I didn't feel comfortable changing it. But I'm not sure than Benson wouldn't have sold out and become a pro-war figure ITTL. Even flirting with being Pro-War probably would have kept the party from embracing him. Just be glad I didn't give him O'Hare as a running mate.

[7] - Peace Came at last to America, under the leadership of the General who had used his troops to crack down against radical dissent and end it on the home front. In spite of that, or maybe because of it, President Wood was committed to forcing though major reforms to the nature of American Business, Social Welfare and Industrial Democracy. A "One Nation" Progressive, Wood was liberal with pardons to the radical left, just as much as he was to committing America to containing the threat of the Soviet Union. His efforts to have it all would weaken his ability to reach these goals though, and while popular and often respected, and able to see the survival of the GOP as the leading Anti-Marxist political force in America, many in his own party were quickly keen to see him go. Seeing the replacement of the boring Conservative Lowden for the Young Gun Tycoon Hoover in 1925, few on the right mourned the death of Wood in 1925.

[8] - Al Smith might not be the right man for the job, but his ability to win urban votes will certainly be on the mind of dissenting Democrats and Populists as they form their new party and hope to avoid the pitfalls of running Byran again. Smith's solid performance and the use of his run by the Conservative Democrats to "purify" their party help cement the DFL as an independent political force.

[9] - Robert La Follette, radicalized and out of prison was all men to all people. As such, he was sought out as a unifyer of the merely Far and definitely Radical Left's in 1924 as someone who could lead their chosen ideology to victory. Efforts to create a Popular Front though between the now Workers' Party and the DFL failed to paper over the issues that still existed at the time, as the Workers' wanted to win over the DFL but the DFL wanted to win over Progressive Republicans and the regular Democrats. While relations made at the 1924 negotiations would prove beneficial in years to come, they failed to create a political force that could overcome the reformist Republicans and the conservative and machine Democrats.

[10] - Negotiations again failed in 1928. You can't have a Popular Front if the parties are already joined at the hip after all.

[11] - The Depression though, changed everything. Hoover's efforts over the previous four years before the crash to reorder Progressivism into some sort of One Nation Plus had failed and left him unable to resort back to reformist means of dealing with the disaster. The growth over the next few years of radical parties changed everything, and in 1932 a nearly total alliance of the Left under the banner of the Popular Front.

This long sought triumph of the Worker was contentious though, rumors of a coup flew across the United States in the weeks leading to the inauguration, as many military and government officers resigned their posts or after the inauguration were rapidly cashiered. But in the end outside of conspiracy theory and few odd faux-fascist political organizations that flowered and died in a year and their crimes, nothing happened, and Norman Thomas was able to assume the White House.

Over the next seven years a massive reorganization of the country, slowly, carefully and with as much cross-partisan support as could be gained, was put into practice. A cradle to the grave welfare state, the reorganization of much industry into joint owner-worker co-operatives backed by massive compensations, outright nationalizations in some fields, as well as all sorts of economic relief, civil rights work, desegregation, and judicial action against those who abused the worker would see the country shockingly transformed. At many points though, such as dealing with the New York or Metropolis Commune of 1937, the Federal Government was scene as being more cautious than the party rank and file of the Communists or DFL or other Popular Front movements.

In the end in fact, the disunion of the front, and the Workers' party in general was probably inevitable, even without the crisis of 1940.

[12] - War returned to Europe in 1940 (It had been ongoing in China thanks to the Japanese invasion of Manchuria in 1936 already) as Nazi Germany and Fascist Poland invaded Czechoslovakia. Soon Britain and Italy were in the war as well to try and save the Czechs, after a month though the Germans were in Prague and riots were raging across France as their own Popular Front government was caught between those who wanted to join the British and Italian liberal democracies in the war and those who wanted neutrality, or a deal with Hitler in Berlin, and those who were embracing the Hitler-Stalin pact and in the end, destroyed the Popular Front in the name of Communist Neutrality.

President Thompson of course was not a Stalinist stooge, but his conversion to Socialism had been born in the bloodbath of the First World War, and as a committed pacifist was determined not to lead his nation down the path of war. Total Isolation from the European War was sought, at the cost of America's Popular Front too, as seen in the resignation of James Farley from his long term leadership of the Front in Congress over the loan embargo. Every Tendency within the Workers' Party had its own take on the European War, though the rise of Ernest Bevin in 1941 after the new French government joined the Axis led many to rush to join the International Commandos that the new British Government was quick to raise, in spite of repeated COMINTERN cries to the contrary.

In spite of this collapse Thomas refused to back down and by slim margin in those Pre-Labour days when it was the despised Austin Chamberlain in charge of the war "Over There" was able to win with a new political pact, with the loss of practically all of the 1933-1940 Popular Front political institutions. While popular support for the Peace Government was initially high the "radicalization" of the British War Government in 1941, and the shockingly powerful Axis invasion of the USSR in 1942, and the Turko-Bulgarian meditated peace concession that Stalin agreed too as Panzers were fighting their way into Moscow changed everything.

In the aftermath of the 1942 midterms Thomas became the first President since the Congressional Government amendment to find himself facing a public, partisan and hostile counterpart in his First Secretary. While Thomas retained much authority on diplomatic affairs, he was unable to stop the "undeclared war" as the US military was expanded, and used to support initially via non-combatant means the Allied powers still holding out.

[13] - The 1940 election would see the would see the triumph of the insurgent Longist tendency in the rump Democratic Party, in not only bringing the party into the Left Opposition Front, but in fact, taking a leading position in doing so. while negotiations were going on up to election day about reunification of the Democrats and DFL, those Solid South Conservatives who while now a minority in their own party were not willing to compromise, would oversee a political revolution, joining with ultra-conservative, anti-Progressive Republicans in their own, Right Opposition ticket.

[14] - There were not cheers of victory when the Second Pro-War Popular Front finally won with a much larger bloc, and greater totals than the first had seen in 1932 or 1936 respectively, but grim determination. Long before President Warren was sworn in French and German U-Boats were attacking the US Coast. The world was on the brink of darkness, Wang Jingwei had finally secured legitimacy over his enemies in the KMT and had created "Peace" in China as Japan now only fought warlords and the CPC. East of Moscow Stalin was dead, and his successor in Beria was unwilling to mobilize the USSR to re-enter the fight for those territories it had lost in their shameful second Brest-Litovsk. The UK was at the end of its rope and the Italians were unlikely to hold Rome for another six months. Norway, Denmark, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania and Greece were all under the Axis boot, Spain, Hungary, Bulgaria, and Finland were all gladly partners. Portugal and Sweden were settling in for the New European Order. Ashes were rising from monstrous camps in the German Led Occupied East.

It would be a long war, a bloody war. There were compromises and there were bloodbaths. Asia would have to wait for its day. The Soviet Union would face civil war, The world's population would face a serious, and horrific drop. Firebombings and Genocide and the heat of suns would scorch the earth. Every human being alive and not yet born would carry the mark of Cain for this. Everyone became a Son of a Bitch who survived. But in 1950, in the midst of a giant battle, only meters away from a shallow grave where Adolf Hitler's charred corpse lay, American, Australian and Indian troops would be pictured on the roof of the Reichschancellory, an American Flag held aloft by the only fellow who happened to have a flag on him. Fascism, too late for tens of millions would be defeated.

[15] - Norman Thomas' legacy as a brilliant reformer in tatters thanks to his quest for Peace at too high a price, would see the complete failure of a Peace Opposition to the Second Popular Front. The International Workers' Party of 1940 only an official structure and a memory, America First would not run another candidate, and only the bitter, hateful remnants of a movement that could no longer stand the reforms that had been acceptable to men like McKinley remained.
 
A Theoretical Look Forward: The Vulture's "The Revolution Will Be Live"

Spoilers




The Vulture's Work is no longer on this site and hell, since I started writing this the author himself has gotten banned. The Revolution Will Be Live thought was a hell of a project, and while it was unfinished before its deletion here, having read the end I can tell you it ended well. It was a story of pathetic, and desperate murderous protagonists seeking some sort of revolution against an America gone to the cusp of dictatorship and to an awful racist, authoritarian, and evangelically moralist place. And that practical dictatorship somewhere between 1960's West Germany, Apartheid Era South Africa, and the Red Scare and Segregationist US was defended by and large by moral, decent and competent men whom were revolted by those on their side who went down to those horrific lows.

Told from the perspective of the Journal of one of the leading sort-of-Anarchist-or-Communist revolutionaries, phone transcripts and a book entitled Smoke Over Massachusetts Avenue: The Rebellion of 1970, Vulture painted a portrait of a world where liberal opposition had been crushed leading to a direct confrontation between reactionaries and radicals, and of the people who would find themselves caught up and unable to stop the course of events that would follow.

It was a good read.

1921-1929: A. Mitchell Palmer / Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic)[1]
1920: Leonard Wood / Warren G. Harding (Republican), Robert M. LaFollette, Sr. / Charles W. Bryan (Progressive)[2]
1924: Charles G. Dawes / Nicholas M. Butler (Republican)

1929-1933: Charles H. Randall / David C. Stephenson (Democratic)[3]
1928: Charles F. Adams III / Frank T. Hines (Republican)
1933-1937: George Van H. Moseley / Henry C. Wallace (Republican)[4]
1932: Charles H. Randall / David C. Stephenson (Democratic)
1937-1939: William D. Pelley / Nathan B. Forrest II (Democratic)[5]
1936: George Van H. Moseley / Henry C. Wallace (Republican), Huey P. Long / Norman M. Thomas (Farmer-Laborite)[6]
1939-1941: William D. Pelley / vacant (Democratic)
1941-1945: William D. Pelley / Henry S. Breckinridge (Democratic)

1940: H. Styles Bridges / Edward L. Jackson (Republican)
1945-1953: Gerald L. K. Smith / James V. Forrestal (Democratic)[7]
1944: F. Henry LaGuardia / Earl Warren (Republican)[8]
1948: Kingsley A. Taft / William F. Knowland (Republican)

1953-1960: J. Foster Dulles / Robert W. Welch, Jr. (Democratic)[9]
1952: F. Henry LaGuardia / W. Stuart Symington, Jr. (Republican)
1956: Wayne L. Morse / Prescott S. Bush (Republican)

1960-1961: Robert W. Welch, Jr. / vacant (Democratic)
1961-1965: Russell Stover / Paul H. Douglas (Republican)
[10]
1960: Robert W. Welch, Jr. / George A. Smathers (Democratic), Ezra T. Benson / John G. Crommelin (National Statesmen)[11]
1965-1970: Edwin A. Walker / D. Dean Rusk (Democratic)[12]
1964: Russell Stover / Paul H. Douglas (Republican)
1968: Clark M. Clifford / W. Donlon Edwards (Republican)

1970-1973: D. Dean Rusk / vacant (Democratic)[13]
1973-1974: John L. H. Chafee / Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. (Republican)[14]
1972: D. Dean Rusk / Joseph D. Waggonner, Jr. (Democratic)
1974-1977: Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. / vacant (Republican)[15]
1977-1981: Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. / Elliot L. Richardson (Republican)
1976: Willis A. Carto / Alexander M. Haig, Jr. (Democratic), George L. Rockwell / Joseph D. Waggonner, Jr. (Populist)[16]
1981-1985: George L. Rockwell / W. Ramsey Clark (Democratic)[17]
1980: Elliot L. Richardson / Alan Greenspan (Republican)[18]
1985-1993: George L. Rockwell / John G. Tower (Democratic)
1984: Edward M. Snider / Reubin O'D. Askew (Republican)
1988: Martha H. L. Collins / Michael S. Dukakis (Republican)

1993-1999: Lawrence A. McDonald / Evan Mecham (Democratic)[19]
1992: Lloyd M. Bentsen, Jr. / J. Danforth Quayle (Republican)
1996: Edmund G. Brown, Jr. / Geraldine A. Ferraro (Republican)

1999-2001: Lawrence A. McDonald / vacant (Democratic)
2001-2003: Gary L. Bauer / Charles E. Roemer III (Democratic)
[20]
2000: John F. Kerry / Janet W. Reno, (Liberal Coalitionist), Janice Hart / James D. Griffin (Republican)[21]
2003-2005: Charles E. Roemer III / vacant (Democratic)[22]
2005-2013: Charles E. Roemer III / Howard B. Dean III (Democratic)
2004: Dennis J. Kucinich / Paul A. Volcker, Jr. (Republican), John F. Kerry / Peter B. Wilson (Liberal Coalitionist)
2008: B. Evans Bayh / Freddie D. Thompson (Republican)

2013-2017: Angus S. King, Jr. / John Wolfe, Jr. (Democratic)
2012: Thaddeus G. McCotter / Kathleen G. Sebelius (Republican)

Notes

[1] - President Palmer was elected when in the aftermath of a failed Revolution in Russia, several cells of Bolsheviks headed for the US. During the Red Scare these Communists upped the ante against the Galleanists, by launching more bombings and in 1919 a death squad armed with surplus rifles murdered John D. Rockefeller on the Street, triggering even more violence.

Attorney General and then President Palmer would lead the fight back, with laws allowing for weeks of internment without charges, and immigration restrictions being emplaced. The BoI was transformed into the General Intelligence Directorate, with broad powers, and the United States sent troops into Germany to aid White German and French forces in defeating Communist Uprisings there. In 1921 the Council of Concerned Citizens was founded as an extralegal organization seeking to promote "100% Americanism" and to oppose by boycott, political action and the occasional lynching all subversives.

Some asides, Palmer passed the Securities and Exchanges Act of 1922 which created a Commission to regulate Wall Street, and the Pensions Act of 1926 which saw the creation of a system of Old Age and Disability Payments for all Americans, while those progressive measures passed, Palmer showed no interest in supporting the plight of African-Americans and other minorities who would face limited opportunities and increased violence in the years to come.

[2] - While the Far Left bickered and the Conservatives and Reactionaries found themselves on solid footing for the first time in decades, Progressives and Populists of both the Democratic and Republican parties rallied for major social reforms, economic protections and non-intervention. With Robert LaFollette and William Jennings Bryan united it was hoped that the masses would be swayed in this effort to preserve American Liberalism as it was.

It didn't work.

[3] - Charles Randall a relative newcomer to the Democratic Party was able to secure the nomination with the endorsement of the CCC. Major crackdowns began to occur against Ethnic minorities in the United States and the CCC found itself with its first partial federal recognition, when the GID Office of Public Information Review was opened to liaise with the groups, and Federal Law requires Judges to accept evidence recovered without warrants by the CCC. With German and Russian markets open to US goods, the Roaring 20's would continue under Randall before petering off in the Recession of 1934. Under Randall the first US army troops were deployed to Nicaragua, Haiti Guatemala and Honduras to fight Communist Insurgents.

[4] - The First Republican Elected since Taft, War Veteran and General Van Horn Moseley would be most noted for his deployments of US troops to the Port Cities of China to crack down on Communists there and for his work to pass the 1936 Immigrant Exclusion Act which virtually shut down all Immigration to the United States not from Western and Scandinavian/Germanic Central Europe.

[5] - President Pelley, formerly the National Chairmen of the CCC was elected in 1937 promising to end the Recession, Federal Funding was applied to create a National Highway System, to create the "Founding Fathers" Liberal Arts and Technical Colleges in all 48 states, and to expand the military dramatically. Between 1939 and 1942 the United States faced down Japan at Sea, in China and in a Proxy War in Russia between the US aligned "Republic" in Moscow and Japanese Backed Ultranationalists in Irkutsk. The collapse of Ultranationalist resistance in Siberia and the crippling results of the US embargo on Japan after Siberian resources were lost would lead to Japan's economic collapse and US victory in the "Cold War". By the time President Pelly left office, US military strength was considered dominant in the world, and the British began to seek Federation in their Empire, turning inward rather than stand against the tide. In France the Fourth Republic would fall in 1944, with one of Pelley's last actions being the deployment of US troops to Algeria to protect the "Legitimate Government" in Algiers that would become the Fifth Republic. Large Scale Corsican immigration to the United States would begin at this time.

[6] - Two years before his assassination, Huey P. Long "Socialist" and the first major American politician to challenge the Post-War order in the United States ran for president, winning only his home state of Louisiana in the process. This would be the beginning of the end for Long, as Federal programs in his state started to vanish. It would end on the streets of Baton Rouge and New Orleans two years later when the Attorney General and Adjutant General of the State would, with quiet Federal Support lead what amounted to a coup against him, and killing him in a "shootout" in the State Capitol.

[7] - Gerald Smith would defeat Vice President Breckinridge at the 1944 Democratic Convention and on taking office would seek to launch a series of major welfare reforms in the United States, cutting programs in favor of transferring funds to various charities. Overseas US troops would help secure the "Return" of the Fifth Republic to Paris by securing ports and airfields for the French Ultras on the mainland. By the end of his administration, Smith would support a coup in Paris ousting that old Government in favor of new generals and the Sixth Republic. US combat deployment in Central America reached 40,000 at this time, between Haiti, Nicaragua, Guatemala, and Honduras.

[8] - The Governor of New York, a WWI veteran and popular reformer would in the 1920's change his name usage for his American middle name to try and at least in some way make himself more relateable to Middle America as "Henry".

It didn't work.

[9] - J. Foster Dulles would be remembered most of all for his 1958 decision to Go to War with Italy. After the death of Mussolini, open elections would see the victory of the Communists there and Palmiro Togliatti launching major reforms as the Red Duce. With France fracturing once more between Algeria (The so-called Seventh Republic) and the US backed Sixth in Paris, Dulles decided that the Mediterranean was too endangered to let Italy follow Ethiopia down the path of Redness and Embargos. The US War would last two long, and bloody years as the United States fought its way from Sicily to Trent. US popular memory on the Italian war would focus on a handful of acts of Sabotage carried out by All-Black, segregated supply units (Which would be greatly expanded past all reason in that memory), the slogging pain of the war in the mountains, the rise of drug use by US troops, hooked by organized crime while on leave in secure Sardinia, Sicily and French Corsica, and the complete lack of aid to returning veterans by Dulles and his successor, Welles. Foster would die of a heart attack meer weeks before the Last Italian Red forces were pushed over the Swiss border.

[10] - The Post-War recession, the lack of aid for veterans and party inertia would see the election of the First Republican since Moseley in 1960. President Stover's biggest impact was pulling US forces out of Latin America while maintaining the occupation of Italy. As a result of this Communists would come to power on Honduras. In 1963 Stover would make the controversial decision to extend recognition and open Diplomatic relations with the Communist Regimes in Ethiopia and Honduras. It would doom him electorally.

[11] - The split in the Democrats in 1960 was due to Hardliners who were seeking to pass a mass deportation act, based on previous Deportations of African-Americans carried out since the Palmer years. the National Statesmen Party hoped to show the issue was a wedge issue with popular support to force the Democrats to enact the police.

It didn't work.

[12] - Campaigning with Italian shrapnel in his leg and a cane in his hand, General Edwin Walker came into office promoting a hard line. Seeking to end the Economic Recession that Stover didn't, he slashed government spending and Sunset various welfare programs. But things would come to ahead in his administration as liberal opposition in Government gave way to radical violence on the streets. From 1966 to 1970 SWARM, the Wise Men, The African National Brotherhood, the Roha and the Black Berets and other left wing radical groups would take up arms against the government. Government crackdowns would lead to riots and "The Four Cities" being placed under brutal martial law. While the Wise Men would be wiped out on Election Day 1968, other groups would continue on. The Attorney General was shot, the Venezuelan Embassy Hostage Crisis would drag on for weeks and in the end would almost trigger a US-UK shooting war. And in 1970 Martial Law would be declared, In rioting Philadelphia President Walker would have Army Chemical Weapons troops use weaponized LSD against civilians. When opposition to that even arose in his own government four Senators, multiple cabinet members and several congressmen would be interned for speaking out against Walker. In a Nationally televised address, Walker would declare that if the nation opposed him he would "consider resignation" following the Emergency. Things would peak when the Black Berets joined by motorcycle thugs and National Guard deserters attacked Washington DC taking over several government offices before one of their leader would flee to the Ethiopian Embassy and another member would kill other Black Beret leaders and free dozens of hostages. When it was all over several thousand (?) Americans had died, and Walker facing impeachment found he was unable to arrest all of his opponents without charges and was made to resign.

[13] - Dean Rusk would be left to mop up the wreckage, and found himself ill suited to the task of national reconciliation. Instead he would keep hundreds imprisoned, would see College Campuses shut down for two years across the country and would start his own war, overseas in Thailand/Siam as Communists took over the country there --- The war Walker had always actually wanted. At the same time in the aftermath of 1970 many Americans had turned to Racial Separatism as the solution to the problems of violence and division, each group blaming of course, any other race for their problems. The national disaster that was war protests would be faced down by continual brutal crackdowns, with Rusk attempting to wish things back to the way they were in the Italian War.

It didn't work.

[14] - In 1972 another Republican took office, with a popular mandate to end the War against the People's State of Thailand. John Chafee did just that. And signed hundreds of pardons in a mass amnesty for those 1970 prisoners whom had not partaken in open violence against the government lives. Unfortunately for him he also attempted to seek Federal Anti-Lynching legislation and was assassinated in St. Louis by White Supremacists as a result.

[15] - President LaRouche on assuming office, worked very hard to limit the impact of the assassination on the White Supremacy movement as a whole, as he was often supported by them. US bombers were sent over Bangkok repeatedly during his administration as he seeked to restart the war, and to gain international support for attacks on Honduras and Ethiopia as well, he did not find it, but did find major congressional opposition to his ideas. None the less in 1976 he would be reelected mostly due to his domestic policy goals as he worked to promote a corporatist system of industry with Federal force being used to bring workers and managers together. With support of workers and White Supremacists, LaRouche hoped to rebuild the Republican Party as the dominant party in the nation, and to oust the Democrats permanently.

It didn't work.

[16] - In 1976 the Democratic Senator from Maryland would run on his own with a radical platform. George Lincoln Rockwell wanted a "Cradle to Grave Welfare State for White America" and was considered the strongest Segregationist in Congress, as well as a violent Anti-Communist and some said, Anti-Semite. Running on this platform he hoped to make an impression on the Democratic Party as a whole, rebuilding what Walker and other Populists had destroyed he said.

It did work.

[17] - In 1980 Rockwell was elected President and did, well exactly what he promised. Mass deportations of Blacks to British Nigeria and the Independent Congo River State. Cradle to Grave Welfare for White Americans, US troops deployed to the Mexican border to fortify it and shoot anyone trying to cross the border anywhere other than a checkpoint, US Air Force bombing raids became regular in Ethiopia, Honduras, and Thailand, US advisors went to Russia when riots broke out in Moscow and dozens of other cities calling for reform. Economic prosperity began to come back during the Rockwell years, allowing him the ability to secure an unprecedented three terms as America "Came Back" even as pogroms and ethnic violence were on the rise.

[18] - Liberals and Objectivists, the inherent problem of a party being the "Anything Else" to the One Party of the Practically One Party State.

[19] - Following the retirement of President Rockwell, the hardliner President McDonald came to power, the first CCC member to win the office since Pelley. McDonald would send US troops into Arabia when Communists took over the region, and would seek to end the Welfare System overall in the US. The greatest burden for him though would be his loud, and unpleasant Vice President who would become a hated and obviously corrupt figure. While McDonald was simply an opponent, Mecham would become the great enemy of the revived Civil Rights movement, which would start once more in the 1990's as the White Supremacy movement began to lose steam as its members got older and less interested in violence, and McDonald for all of his support of segregation was not willing to resort to methods he considered "Walkerite" to crack down on the protests.

[20] - Gary Bauer would be the last great White Supremacist President a former Knight of White America leader, but his brief administration would fall apart on itself almost as soon as he took office when it came out that he had been involved in major election fraud for the Democratic nomination, involving bribery, blackmail and the destruction of votes. There was no honeymoon period and Bauer would be sucked at once into the fight for his career, hoping to make it to 2004, beat off any primary challenges and be reelected with a new mandate to protect himself from the charges.

It didn't work.

[21]- LaRouche's student, Governor Hart would find herself in third place as the long term Republican Dream (That the Democrats would break apart over ideology) came to pass, and she failed to take advantage of it. For a brief time it looked as if the new Liberal Coalition Party might become the first real Second Party the United States had in decades. The major wins of that party in 2000 meant that John Kerry was more than ready in 2004 to become the first Liberal Coalition president and sought to have the party win more senate and governors seats and to grow their congressional delegation in preparation.

It didn't work.

[22] - With the impeachment of Bauer, Buddy Roemer took the oath of office and the "Reform Era" began. While the Democrats maintained their dominance, a politically moderate strain found itself empowered in the party, and Populism became its watchword. Union legalization and other workplace reforms would go hand in hand with slow but earnest efforts to end integration and end segregation in the United States. Those Democrats opposed turned to small parties or found themselves sitting out elections, though a third party is often called for in the modern discourse. Presidents Roemer and King would see the integration of schooling, the military and the welfare system, while the Republicans were paralyzed between those willing to work with the reformers and those who hoped to empower the party by standing against them.

As the political fights rage though, for the first time in decades the United States is looking upon real, long term, liberal progress for the first time in decades.

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So I ended it on a hope spot, Smoke Over Massachusetts Avenue lets me. Screw Dystopia.
 
And here's all the TL-191 ones I have.

A Theoretical Look Forward: How Few Remain

Skipping, for the sake of discussion everything that followed. Everything else is going to be in the notes. Since we're talking about Socialist tickets I thought, "Hey why not? Better than the one you have for Fail-Safe."

1877-1881: Samuel J. Tilden / Winfield S. Hancock (Democratic)
1876: Charles F. Adams, Sr. / Oliver H. P. T. Morton (Republican)
1881-1885: James G. Blaine / William Windom (Republican)[1]
1880: Samuel J. Tilden / Winfield S. Hancock (Democratic)
1885-1893: Eli M. Salisbury / Neal S. Dow (Democratic)[2]
1884: James G. Blaine / William Windom, John Sherman / Anson Burlingame (Republican)[3]
1888: Orlando B. Wilcox / George F. Edmunds (Republican), Thomas Barry / Charles H. Matchett (Laborers’)[4]

1893-1893: Neal S. Dow / vacant (Democratic)[5]
1893-1897: David B. Hill / Edward Murphy, Jr. (Democratic)[6]
1892: George A. Custer / Edward Murphy, Jr. (National Democratic)[7], Albert R. Parsons / Henry George(Laborers’)[8], Joseph R. Hawley / James H. Kyle (Republican)[9]
1897-1899: George A. Custer / Alfred T. Mahan (National Democratic)[10]
1896: David B. Hill / Edward Murphy, Jr. (Official Democratic), S. Philip Van Patten / Seth H. Ellis (Laborers’), James B. Weaver / George F. Hoar (Republican)
1899-1901: George A. Custer / vacant (National Democratic)
1901-1905: George A. Custer / S. Grover Cleveland (National Democratic)
[11]
1900: Henry M. Teller / various (Anti-Custer Democratic)[12], Carl D. Thompson / William J. Bryan (Laborers’)[13], Disputed (Republican)[14]
1905-1908: S. Grover Cleveland / Charles W. Fairbanks (National Democratic)[15]
1904: Theodore Roosevelt / John Burke (Anti-Treaty Democratic)[16], Joseph F. Maloney / Eugene V. Debs (Laborers’)[17]
1908-1909: Charles W. Fairbanks / vacant (National Democratic)
1909-1913: Theodore Roosevelt / Judson Harmon (Constitutional Democratic)
[18]
1908: Charles W. Fairbanks / George Dewey (National Democratic), William J. Bryan / Algie M. Simons (Laborers’)[19]
1913-1918: Carl D. Thompson / Amos R. Pinchot (Laborers’)[20]
1912: Theodore Roosevelt / Judson Harmon (Constitutional Democratic), William R. Hearst / Albert C. Cummins (National Democratic)[21]
1916: Lawrence Y. Sherman / Charles E. Marriam (Coalition Democratic)[22]

1918-1921: Amos R. Pinchot / vacant (Laborers’)[23]

Notes:

[1] - Following the End of the Second Mexican War, Blaine would cement his legacy in setting the groundwork for the disastrous "Remembrance Movement" which would dominate US politics for decades to follow while achieving absolutely nothing he wanted to as far a domestic issues went. The one bright spot had nothing to do with him though and came at the end of his administration. While the First Hampton Plot had failed in Richmond with the failure of its members to recruit General Stonewall Jackson, the Second would go off without a hitch in the last months of 1884 as a group of Senators, Governors and Generals would overthrow James Longstreet via coup, with Nathan Bedford Forrest who had commanded most of the Kentucky Front during the War (While not having command over the main battle areas around Louisville.) being installed as dictator. The coup as a result would see the effective end of "Democracy" in the Confederate States, the end of the move towards Emancipation, and the end of the Anglo-French Confederate Entente.

[2] - The First Democratic Convention since Ben Butler brought his Republicans over saw that group rapidly gain major influence in the party. Butler's Dry ally from Maine was selected as Vice President while the Hardline Lightweight from Delaware who had served for a time as Tilden's Secretary of State took the White House. During the Sallsbery years, the US Army was reorganized to be considerably larger with an organized system of National Reserves. With the Confederacy and the States of Europe there were moves towards peace, and immigration began to rapidly increase the size of the nation while Industrialization also continued apace. Former President Lincoln would die in 1889. The first socialist congressmen were elected in 1890. Relations with Germany came and went and came again as they often did when one had to deal with a nutter like the new Kaiser. No alliance was truly established as a result.

[3] - The 1884 election would see two rival Republican Tickets due to internal party divides meaning that their small electoral vote total would be torn by faithless electors. Shermanite Republicans being those who would over the coming years rapidly shift to the Democratic Party. Where new blood was calling for a strong national defense.

[4] - The first united socialist party ticket, that of the Laborers' Party would win no states in its first run but more than 2% of the vote, making sure neither party would get 50+% any time soon.

[5] - Neal Dow was unable to get a Prohibition Amendment passed in the two months he was President. In fact his ridiculous move to call for a vote pretty much would wreck the national movement for decades to come.

[6] - David B. Hill as President began to play around with the redevelopment of the US Navy and Army to appease political rivals. The Child Labor Amendment was passed in his term to appease the growing radical right. In the Confederacy President-General Forrest was killed in another coup leading to the regime of Thomas Garland Jefferson who would rule well into the 20th Century (VMI Cadet killed at New Market)

[7] - George Custer decided that like Jackson he didn't care much for the political order and led a breakaway faction of the Democrats. His campaign was what you'd expect. Lots and lots of Revenge and Reaction. He almost won but like Jackson (Remember what the reporters were saying at the end of the book?) it was decided against him in Congress.

[8] - First Laborers' ticket to win a state, that being Illinois though they lost several electoral votes due to "failures to meet standards" at the Electoral College.

[9] - The GOP's last hope: Hijacking by Western Agrarian Radicals.

[10] - And like Jackson on the comeback Custer did it. Massive Military Growth, Massive killings of remaining Indians, Massive Nativism, Hardline Hardline Hardline. Deals with Robber Barons. And in 1899, with the Confederacy isolated and alone, Custer turned towards his revenge. After a series of Border Provocations to the North, he ordered US troops over the Canadian Border and the US Atlantic and Pacific Fleets to move against British trade, colonies, and forces. All without going to Congress first. Mahan resigned as a result.

[11] - With the War still underway, progress in Canada being good on the plains and lots of daring naval action and the US capture of Jamaica, as well as epicly large levels of voter fraud, vote destroying and US milita used to crack heads, Custer was reelected. The War though stopped going so well before he ever could be sworn in. The British retook Jamaica. Their forces in the Pacific Northwest captured Seattle. From New Brunswick a rolling force would slice through Upper New England and a huge US Army would freeze and starve that winter on the banks of the St. Lawrence until they surrendered. By 1901 it was all over but Custer wouldn't give in. By 1902 the British were raiding New York Harbor and occupying New Hampshire in the East and had taken not just Seattle but San Francisco and San Diego on the Pacific Coast (Not from Canada). Custer was eventually forced to give in. In an even more humiliating Peace than the last one, the US was required to lease bases to Britain for 99 at the 3 Pacific Ports, and suffered even more border adjustment changes with Canada. Custer achieved pretty much nothing the remainder of his administration except drinking. Returning Veterans flocked to both join the Laborite Party or join "Militias" whom found it just as fun to fight them on the streets.

[12] - The Democratic Establishment pretty much was co-opted at this point or fragmented completely. Teller's run is the closest thing to a real Democratic Party opposition to Custer.

[13] - Bryan, a well known Socialist Congressmen from Nebraska was a reformer to the extreme, but his Anti-War Stance was able to overcome Party orthodoxy in the name of helping win 6 states.

[14] - RIP: 1856 - 1900.

[15] - Dispite the chaos, the Custer machine was able to kill enough people on the streets to get his heir elected in 1904. But in 1906 Cleveland suffered a stroke, leaving him pretty much useless. Secretary of State Hearst would use troops to control much in the country over the coming years. The US-German relationship was finally settled when Hearst denounced the Kaiser for failing to come to the US' aid against Britain. In 1906 the Laborers' held a plurality in the Senate for the first time.

[16] - Roosevelt a supporter of Custer until it became chickenshit was unable to do much better than Teller, though he was supported by a reformed "National Committee"

[17] - Eugene Debs became famous as the Laborite Union Leader who attempted to organize a Wartime General strike. He was nominated from a prison camp in the Rockies.

[18] - Roosevelt on taking office sought to move past Custer with a series of trials, and a move to rebuilt US influence in the World. Moves were made to court the Russians and French, two parties the US had held lukewarm relationships with for years. At home a series of Constitutional Amendments would see the Direct Election of Senators, the Beginning of a National system of Recalls and Referendums, the creation of an income tax, and the legal enshrinement of the 8 hour day. Roosevelt sought to Unite Unions and Capital together with poor results. But his administration would be defined by the situation in the summer of 1912 Europe went to war, with Russian, French, and Austrian forces went to war with the Ottomans, then Britain, and eventually Germany. Roosevelt at once sought a war to appease the nation but Congress wasn't willing to vote for it at the time leading to the 1912 election to be a vote on cementing TR's new relationships. And getting Revenge again.

[19] - Bryan would make his comeback here, coming within a few thousand votes of winning New York ang getting for his party the Second Place spot.

[20] - And Roosevelt would lose the referendum on his policy by a wide margin, allowing for the first time a Marxist ticket to take the White House. President Thompson would not only seek to avoid entering the War in Europe but refused to sell arms or loan cash to either side. Instead at home, Nationalizations became common, as the Railroads, Telephones, Telegraphs, as well as the Steel, Oil, and Electric Corporations became Government owned. More reforms, mostly of the Progressive form would come to pass including an Amendment in 1918 banning the sale of liquor in the United States. (Yay DrySoc!) Thompson though would become the first US President to be assassinated when in September of 1918 an Anarchist gunmen would kill him in New York as he gave a speech calling for a "Fair Peace" In Europe following the Anglo-German alliance forcing harsh terms on France, Belgium, Italy and Russia.

[21] - Yay Hardline Guys who cant put aside minor differences splitting the vote! Hearst was for war too btw. And for the same side in that war too!

[22] - The Coalition of 1916 was more about "Stopping the Madness" than anything else being as the War in Europe was rapidly coming to a bloody close. Sherman though couldn't stand for much without pissing off some section of the fragile reunited party.

[23] - Pinchot oversaw the "Black Scare" as the US came together, to beat Anarchists to death on the street. And as for Europe in the name of his dead former leader, moves were made at once by the US to help the defeated nations (France moving towards the Red and the Russians moving towards real Democracy) form a system of paying off the massive debts the Anglo-Germans had assigned them in Cash, Gold, Patents, and Natural Resources. Both in the name of Peace, and US profits.

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ATLF: Breakthroughs

Before I left to get everything sorted out (Have I mentioned that I sorted everything out in life? I feel like a German.) Thande and I discussed, briefly the idea of going through all three of Turtledove's TL-191 Trilogies and doing one of my "A Theoretical Look Forward['s]" on them, ignoring all canon material that follows. I tended to like the one of these I'd done with How Few Remain, and these will be done in the same sort of style, throwing some book characters in but not too many, and going in any direction I might find interesting. I'll be doing them also for The Victorious Opposition and In at the Death also. That said, I'm not particularly interested in trying to figure out what came before for this project, so we're just starting with the Incumbents at the start of the war.

Anyway, there are obviously Spoilers, if you've lived under a rock and don't know how 191 went.

Presidents of the United States of America

1913-1924: Theodore Roosevelt / K. Kent Kennan (Democratic)[1]
1912: Eugene V. Debs / Charles E. Russell (Socialist)[2], William J. Bryan / Thomas H. Carter (Republican)[3]
1916: Eugene V. Debs / Voltairine de Cleyre (Socialist)[4], Samuel W. Pennypacker / Lafayette F. Pence (Republican)
1920: Upton B. Sinclair, Jr. / Hosea Blackford (Socialist)[5], William J. Bryan / Allan L. Benson (Republican)[6]

1924-1925: K. Kent Kennan / vacant (Democratic)[7]
1925-1928: John J. Pershing / Warren G. Harding (Democratic / Democratic-Republican)[8]
1924: John L. Lewis / Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (Socialist)[9]
1928-1929: Warren G. Harding / vacant (Democratic-Republican)
1929-1937: Charles E. Russell / Harold L. Ickes (Socialist)
[10]
1928: William E. Borah / W. Frank Knox (Democratic-Republican / Democratic)[11]
1932: William C. Durrant / Herbert C. Hoover (Democratic), John G. London / Flora H. Blackford (Common Wealth)[12]

1937-1941: Frances C. Perkins / Joseph J. Ettor (United Front --- Socialist)[13]
1936: Hamilton S. Fish III / James A. Reed (Democratic)
1941-1945: Frances C. Perkins / F. Henry LaGuardia (Socialist)[14]
1940: Robert A. Taft / Wendell L. Wilkie (Democratic / Democratic-Republican)[15], Floyd B. Olsen / Dorothy Day (Common Wealth)[16]
1945-1952: Chester A. Martin / Norman M. Thomas (Socialist)[17]
1944: Elizabeth G. Flynn / Harry M. Kelly (Common Wealth)[18], Henry A. Wallace / Henry S. Breckinridge (Democratic)
1948: Abner Dowling / Harry S. Truman (Democratic)[19], James Burnham / Louis F. Bundez (Common Wealth)[20]


[1] - In 1917 with the collapse of the Confederate Forces in the Field, and with Union troops pushing deep into Tennessee and Texas, standing at the Gates of Richmond, Chattanooga, Memphis, the war against the Confederacy came to an end. A few months later Britain and Japan were also forced to the peace table to save what they could (Canada not included). With this triumph in hand, Teddy Roosevelt was the undisputed master of the American continent. The Treaty of Baltimore which ended the war was only delayed in the end by the search for a Confederate Government willing to sign. In the aftermath of the War Roosevelt hoped to secure his political legacy with a two pronged attack on his political enemies, as he had defeated his international rivals.

With one hand the triumphs of the war were exerted to force his own party into line, a series of social reforms beginning as soon as rationing was ended. Universal Suffrage, and the outlines of a Social Welfare system, more regulations of industry and corporations, a Federal program of aid for Farmers, and most controversially, a rewriting of immigration law allowing any Black Family from the Confederacy to come north and settle homesteads in Canada were all passed as part of the "New Victory Program". The results were mixed. From the Socialists came mixed messages, some mutual support, some grand opposition, Marxists proved less than willing to stick to doctrinal lines to attack the Freedmen Homestead Act on the grounds that America was a white country, and were more then willing to denounce the rest as not being enough. The Republicans on the other hand, battered after decades in the wilderness found the hand of friendship and the triumph of their platform (sans the decades old hope for Free Silver) too tempting to take away. In 1918 there was thus an electoral pact, by 1920 there was a political union, with the Republicans becoming a tied in coalition partner, the Democratic-Republican Party.

This electoral pact in hand, and the triumph of 1917 behind him, Roosevelt was easily swept into a third term in 1920, though not as easily as he hoped, with two states being all it would have taken to swing it away from him. The third term was noted for its continued reforms, with the creation of stock controls, the passage of the National Social Services Amendment, and the defeated fight for the National Elections Amendment, which would have created Federal Primaries, Recalls and Proposition Elections. Rebellions also occurred in the former Canadian and Federal Territories. He would forcefully seek to convince the Kaiser to aid him in making the Ottomans clamp down on violence in Eastern Anatolia towards Christian Minorities, but failed too, marking the first great post-war break between the US and its wartime allies. Roosevelt died while golfing before the third term was out.

[2] - Debs, the party nominee in 1908 previously was able to for the first time defeat the Republicans by scales of magnitude in 1908, with a 3:1 margin in the national election.

[3] - William Jennings Bryan hoped the third time would be the charm after defeats in 1900 and 1904. Instead his commitment to the tired old ideas of Free Silver and National Prohibition saw the Republican Party sing its swan song.

[4] - Even before Women secured the right to vote in Presidential Elections, Debs assured that the 1916 Platform would call for Suffrage just as loudly as it called for Worker's Rights and Peace. The Socialist Worker's Unions of America Chief Secretary proved a powerful addition to the ticket, facing down large amounts of violence directed against the party in the middle of the war.

[5] - Abandoning Debs and calling on the old no third term tradition did little to help the Socialist ticket in 1920 which did even worse then Debs in 1916. Contradictory messages, and Sinclair's desperate hope to appease whatever crowd was before him at the moment, tied in with the very much little known Blackford proved a disaster against the TR Victory Machine.

[6] - Bryan's Fourth Try would prove his last, but also his most revolutionary, as the up-till-1914 Socialist Congressmen and Newsmen tried to create a new party in the GOP, a Farmer-Labor-Nationalist Movement seeking to synthesize a class based party from all three parties. It was crippled though by the mass defections of the party to the new Roosevelt Democratic-Republicans. In the end the Republicans would in 1920, lose their own base to Roosevelt, but cut into the Socialists and deny them the chance to victory.

[7] - With the death of President Roosevelt, the quiet former Attorney General would spend his administration dealing with an attempt to promote something Roosevelt would never have stood for, a Naval Arms treaty between the four great sea powers, the United States, Britain, Germany, and Japan. In the end, the treaty in Washington he gained did little more then scrap battleships each nation had already recognized were too large, and too outdated to keep anyway. With the conclusion of that though, Kennan simply sat back, kept order, and waited for the Supreme Court seat he was promised by the great hero of the war who would take the Democratic nomination with his blessing.

[8] - General Pershing, the younger, more dashing counterpart to Custer in the Trench Warfare of 1914-1917 was able by a decent, if not exceptional margin to win the White House for the Democrats in 1924. Promising serious work to clamp down on the Freedomite Terror Campaigns in Houston, Tennessee, Sequoyah and the rest of the former Confederate Territories, he proved true to his word, with massive force and carrot-and-stick methods appease both the angered Southern followers of what in the Confederacy was only a minor fringe party, and in Canada where peace generally came through large sums of money, and larger numbers of new settlers, black, Mormon and "mainstream" Americans all seeking peace and free land.

Pershing's administration would also be most remembered for his work in 1926 when a German punitive movement into France due to a failure to supply required telephone poles attempted to involve the German annexation of the French Caribbean. A US Fleet met the German Task Forces and almost triggered a way outside of Guadalupe to defend a former enemy, in the name of the Monroe Doctrine and the Mahan Corollary. This met with massive popular acclaim around the world, though not in fact in Germany. Or Petrograd for that matter, who cried foul when it was the American North Pacific Fleet that arrived in Alaska when Anarchists were able to seize the chief cities of the territory while Red Revolution swept across the Russia in waves.

Tragedy though would end the Pershing administration, when in the start of 1928, returning from a visit to that new Alaska, the Custer Territory, Pershing was killed by a Canadian Loyalist Paramilitary who was so mentally ill he thought that he was killing that late old General. Vice-President Harding, one of the former Republicans who had followed the party into the new era was greatly appreciated for his efforts in preventing the return of the old "Teutonic" Mass Reprisals of days past.

[9] - Eugene Debs, Jack Reed and Bill Haywood were not willing to run in 1924, and thus the Socialist Party found itself running an oddly moderate ticket. John Lewis who had spent most of WWI in prison for promoting opposition to the Draft and Robert La Follette who was infamous for his attempt to call for a General Strike on the Floor of the Senate not weeks before the end of the War proved unable to inspire the Working Class to rally to the Red.

[10] - In 1928 though, thanks in part to the fact that Harding did not run, but headed towards retirement, the Old Socialist Newsmen was able to make it to the White House as the first Socialist President. President Russell would spend the next 8 years working hard to introduce various forms of Industrial Democracy, Rural Unionization, and more Popular Democracy to the American People. The Senate Elections Amendment would see that body face the people for the first time, and set the term limit to only two six year terms. The Social Welfare Administration became the Department of Social Security and Welfare. Massive Efforts were made to modernize American Industry, Trolly-Car Suburbs were promoted with mass produced houses of the "Lloyd Plan" named after the designer who produced the simple, exact layout that produced millions of small homes for average Americans for the first time.

Internationally the Russell years were one of attempted alliance building, not in the name of a "Balance of Power" but for the First time in the name of Collective Security. While Kaiser Wilhelm found himself ever more in good relations with the Autocratic Regents of Russia, or the Military-dominated governments of Japan and found himself able to crush opposition at home, the United States reached out to old adversaries like Britain and even the Confederacy, allies like the Austro-Hungarians who were inching towards the new Danubian Federation, and "The Little Nations" like Sweden, the Netherlands, Persia and Egypt. Seeking to make pacts for peace. While America kept relations open with its old ally, it was becoming clear that the two now had very little to keep them together and very much to bring them apart.

[11] - Radial reformers in the Democratic Party were no match in the face of pent up demands for reform, and decades worth of fatigue. Not even the charismatic Ex-GOPer at the top of the ticket was enough to change things, and very well may have turned off enough of the Democratic base to prove decisive.

[12] - In 1930 though the world economy started to tumble, as the rickety structures of Post-war Finance and Trade came crashing down. The United States was hurt badly, and many factories ground to a halt, workers only being fed by the Government Dole, and fears of Hyper-Inflation began to spread as the currency in turn was repeatedly decreased in value. In response to this, the President begain "A New Deal" and was clearly proactive at the start, with the American Economy starting to rebound within two years, though at the cost of Long Depression-like numbers of 10% unemployment, kept afloat now only by Government aid. In response to this, and the perception that Russell had not gone far enough, elements of the Socialist Party split calling for a whole collection of radical reforms, at first under the charismatic leadership of Debs' old great rival at party conventions. Jack London declared he would not be silenced until all of his demands were met, including most importantly the complete nationalization of all major American Industries and the establishment of communes to run them. While this appealed to many, it was too far even for the committed Marxist-Reformist leadership of the Socialists to accept. Demands in turn for guaranteed incomes and even guaranteed meals would assure the Commonwealth Party for years, the moniker as "The Bread and Roses Party".

[13] - Between Common Wealth, the troubles in the SWUA, and the latest news from the National Syndicalist Front that they might endorse a Common Wealth ticket and tell their members to actually vote, the Socialist Party went to the table and negotiated a United Front, main line reformer, and Governor of New York Francis Perkins would work with hardliner SWUA Mass Organizations Organizing Committee Chairmen Joseph Ettor in an uncomfortable alliance and place at the forefront of any administration, a focus on the rise of "Complete Industrial Democracy". The defeat of the National Labor Relations Act of 1938 saw the end of that though, and the collapse of the Front.

Internationally Perkins was the First American President to go to London, on a state visit following the signing of the Axis Pact between Germany, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Japan. Following the Russian Invasion of Manchuria and Sinking both the United States and the United Kingdom would guarantee the Independence of China, setting for the first time, what would become the Anglo-American Alliance. Perkins would also visit Vienna, as that Danubian Capitol found itself facing increasing violence at home thanks to German Nationalist Organizations turning to bombs in the name of Groess-Deutschland.

[14] - With the collapse of the United Front, Perkins doubled down on the socialist platform which amounted almost to a "Come and Take it" to the Common Wealth movement. Having secured her victory, her second administration would see the start of war in Europe, when Germany and Russia decided to cut up old Austria-Hungary on their own. The French regime was more than willing to allow German troops basing rights which in turn threatened London and Dublin, when Russian and German troops then invaded Norway to try and completely isolate Britain from the continent, President Perkins would bring the United States into the Second Great War, with American Air Power at once being moved to support the British, and even Canadians rallying to enlist to serve with the "Decent Fellows from the South" and to defend the not-forgotten Mother Country.

After two years of War In Europe, came another blow, when the Japanese, Invaded the Dutch East Indies, Malaya and Burma. In a surprise move, they would open this conflict though by attacking not those colonies, but US bases in the Sandwich Islands, destroying repair docks and oil fields so as to deny the US Pacific Fleet (Based in California) any forward operating base in the Mid-Pacific before Australia.

President Perkins would after these three years step down, not seeking a third term, and instead would become the first elected head of the World Congress which the Allied Powers developed to support Democracy, Diplomacy, Governments-in-Exile and to oppose the Axis powers.

[15] - Robert Taft, the firebrand conservative from Ohio and Wendell Wilkie the reformer from New York had run in 1940 united only by one thing, a call for a preemptive attack on Germany in support of Britain. They need not have bothered as war opened in under a year.

[16] - Common Wealth on the other hand took a decidedly pacifist role, declaring that Britain's Dominion of India partner was no different than the Southern Plantation of old, that China was nothing but an Oriental Despotism, and that America's Allies were in fact, no better than its enemies, and that American Interest should not spread past occupied Bermuda.

[17] - In the Midst of the Global Conflict the Socialist Party was able to put aside ideological divisions and elect the tough talking, heavy build veteran of War and Labor Strike, Perkins Secretary of Labor, former Steelworker's Union Chairmen Chester Martin. It was Martin who would talk the Confederacy and Latin America into joining the Allied Cause, Martin who would oversee the campaign in the Pacific to rebuild Pearl Harbor and then charge west, across little islands like Midway, Truk, Wake, towards islands like Guam and then, Okinawa, forcing Japan to terms as the US made it all the way to the Home Islands. And in Europe it was Martin who saw the deployment of American Force to save North Italy, saw the American recognition and defense of the Turkish and Greater Arabian Republics as well as holding the line in Persia. And it was Martin who saw the contribution of the Free World land troops in France and Belgium and drive into Germany, forcing the ousting of the Kaiser, the surrender of the Reich and the new Revolution in Petrograd that would bring the Second Great War to an end in 1948.

[18] - In the middle of the war, just as the Socialist had done in 1916, Common Wealth was able to make a strong case for Peace at any price, outpacing the Democrats for the first time ever. Rumors of the mass killings happening in Japanese occupied Asia and wherever the Russians traveled were ignored, but when revelations would come out post war, Common Wealth's tendency for bad quotes would lead to years of problems for the Far Right Party.

[19] - But by the time the War was over, the Democrats running Custer's old Aid who had commanded American efforts to aid China was able to provide a decent showing, marking perhaps, the resurgence of the Conservative or Liberal movements in America.

[20] - By 1948 Common Wealth was facing not only trouble based on its war record, but fractures in its own party, as hopes of a reform of the Socialist Party from outside began to clash not only with the old anarchist and hardliner Marxian allies of convenience but also with new movements of the Left that were rising up for the war, calling for everything from a new constitution for the country to the embrace of sole old idea from the Russian troubles called "Vanguardism".

Presidents of the Confederate States of America

1910-1916: T. Woodrow Wilson / Gabriel A. Semmes (Whig)[A]
1909: Emory Speer / Alfredo Zayas (Radical Liberal)
1916-1917: Gabriel A. Semmes / Richard Taylor II (Whig)[C]
1915: J. Doroteo Arango / Thomas E. Watson (Radical Liberal)
1917: Carter Glass / vacant [Acting] (Whig)[D]
1917-1918: John S. Williams / vacant [Acting] (Radical Liberal)[E]
1918: Robert M. McElroy as political head of the McElroy-Bullard Coup [Nominal][F]
1918-1922: Bernard M . Baruch / vacant [Acting] (Independent)[G]
1922-1928: Alfred A. Taylor / Sidney J. Catts (Radical Liberal)[H]

1921: John M. Parker / Zebulon B. Vance, Jr. (Conservative Alliance --- Confederate Nationalist / Whig), Albert R. Parsons II / J. Samuel Faubus (Farm and Factory)[J]
1928-1931: C. Bascom Slemp / Oliver Obregon (Radial Liberal)[K]

1927: John M. Parker / Wade Hampton V (Confederate Nationalist)
1931-1934: C. Bascom Slemp / vacant (Radical Liberal)
1934-1940: Richard B. Russell, Jr. / Helen A. Keller (Radical Liberal)[L]

1933: William G. McAdoo / John C. Breckenridge II (Patriot's Front --- Baruchian Conservative / Confederate Nationalist)[M], William F. Knight / J. William Bailey (True Whig)[N]
1940: William B. Bankhead / Raymond Grau (Radical Liberal)

1939: Francis B. Harrison / Harry F. Byrd, Sr. (Confederate Nationalist)
1940-1941: Raymond Grau / vacant (Radical Liberal)[O]
1941-1946: John B. Wogan / vacant [Acting] (Independent)[P]
1946-1952: Reginald A. Bartlett / C. Denson Pepper (Radical Liberal)[Q]

1945: Charles B. Mitchell III / James C. McReynolds (Confederate Nationalist)

[A] - Elected in 1909 as a proponent of moderate Progressive reforms following the disturbing rise in the Radical Liberal vote share in the past two elections Woodrow Wilson's work to further intervention in the Confederate Economy in the face of conservative opposition was washed away by his standing by the old Anglo-Confederate and Franco-Confederate treaties of Alliance and bringing his small Republic into the First Great War. Following the dogged defense of Kentucky, Sonora, Arkansas and Texas all resulted in mass horrors and the twin fronts of the failed drive on Philadelphia and the holding action on the Roanoke led to rivers foaming with blood, Wilson found himself besieged and with the Red Risings in the Deep South found himself truly on his own. With the war very clearly against the Confederacy he would end his term and rapidly seek a return to teaching, until his execution by the Freedomite Organization Stonewall in 1923.

- Judge Speer's poor showing in 1909 would prevent the long called for move to Confederate neutrality in the face of overwhelming Union force. He was also the last veteran of the War of Secession to run for the Presidency of either Republic.

[C] - With the war still raging President Semmes was rapidly forced to backtrack on his election campaigns and attempt to recruit blacks to Confederate Service in exchange for citizenship, a move that while forced though via necessity was seen by many as the last final plea for the Confederacy to hold out. Unsurprisingly it failed to turn the tide, as many black troops simply took the opportunity to get guns for a hoped for next red rebellion or more often, simply surrendered to Union troops to get out of the Confederacy. With the breakthroughs on all fronts as the war ended and Union troops driving into Tennessee, Semmes faced violent riots by troops in Richmond, the threat of more rebellion and of course Theodore Roosevelt's negotiations in Baltimore. Within a week of the Ceasefire, he was forced to resign along with Vice President Taylor least the Governors of several states appoint their own President in the hopes of getting a better negotiating position with the Union.

[D] - Secretary of State Carter Glass was given the unenviable job of sending what loyal troops he could scrape together into Nashville, San Antonio and Richmond to clear the streets. This turned out horribly in turn as many "Loyal Troops" proved as dangerous as the other regiments that had been deemed untrustworthy. One mob of soldiers led by a Richmond Howitzer's Artillery NCO even attacked the Grey House, its leader a young man named Jake Featherston would face only 18 months in prison as a result of his actions. Eventually though, with many murders, battle dead, and massacres of civilians and especially of blacks whom were lynched by the dozen, Glass regained control of the Confederacy. And then balked at the responsibility when he refused to sign the treaty Roosevelt offered. Knowing full well what signing it would mean for him, he resigned and left for a retirement and exile in Jamaica, where he was murdered by a Freedomite kill team in 1924.

[E] - And thus for the first time in Confederate history a figure from outside the "Richmond Consensus" assumed the office. When President Pro Tempore of the Senate Theodore Bilbo resigned from his office so as to not be responsible for the peace, the Speaker of the House took office. President Williams signed the treaty and promptly left the United States. He returned to Richmond promising "Peace in our lives" and a new dawn for the Confederacy. 15 months later his attempt to create a Confederate Welfare system crushed and the Army having proven itself unwilling to listen to him both in the rank and file and in the General Staff, he was forced to resign, but not after he was also forced to appoint a non-partisan Chief Cabinet Officer in the form of a new "Secretary of of General Affairs" who would assume office with his departure. He would survive at least three attempted killings by Freedomite and Freedomite-affiliated groups, dying in Paris in 1932.

[F] - In the cold dark February of 1918 two brigades of Confederate Troops outside the Capital revolted, joined by a full four army regiments throughout the country which in turn would seize points like the Rail Junctions in Atlanta, the Sloss Works in Birmingham, and ultra critical locations like the Alamo and Lookout Mountain. Joined by various discharged young men who hungered for vengeance against the "Baltimore Criminals" the military coup of General Bullard and Congressmen McElroy was not opposed on by the Confederate General Staff even as President Williams and the Congress were forced to flee. The coup would only collapse in the end, when after three days, the Governors refused to support it. No leader of the coup would serve more then 5 years in prison before being released by the Confederate Judiciary.

[G] - With the departure of Acting President Williams the remainder of the term would be served out by the wealthy Carolina Banker and Political Wise Man of the right, Bernard Baruch. An old ally of Wilson, Semmes, the Army Leadership, and the old Whigs before Wilson, Baruch represented the Establishment more perhaps than any man in the Confederacy. It was under him that the Army began secret programs of rearmament in Mexico, under him that the Confederacy sought to present to the United States an image of determined recovery and a full avoidance of revenge. Revenge was left to the likes of men like Jake Featherston after he left prison, with his "Freedom Party" being the leading cause of political murder, as enemies of the establishment found themselves often targeted for killing. These efforts expanded northward into the "Occupied territories" and eventually around the world, all with the most covert, most deniable ties to the Confederate War Department which Baruch began to empower to make it beyond the reach of any government that might follow. In the Baruch years the Confederacy was alone, its allies gone, but it still stood. Economic recovery began for industry, while Baruch put in great efforts to prop up the old landowning establishment with Federal Aid, which was hoped would be used to diversify their properties but rarely did anything more than serve as a new stipend. By the time Baruch would leave office, the Confederate esbalishment has built its alliances with the forces of reaction, and was sure to enjoy several decades of behind the scenes power even as it tried to rebuild its public image as the Whigs.

[H] - In spite of all of that, and inspite of all the death, the Confederate voting population was not, by and large interested in supporting the old regime. Thus it was in 1921 that the Radial Liberals were able to get elected in their own right. And while Taylor was able to secure Old Age Pensions little else in his platform came to pass. The machines were not broken, the plantations were not broken, black veterans were not granted citizenship. But there were efforts to lower the tax burden on the average Confederate trying to buy imports or store goods. The real legacy of the era being that Taylor was required to appoint the War Secretary the Army wanted, not to condemn the Freedom Party "Redemption Insurgency" or go too far in any direction. And thus his mild reforms, long fought for goals of the Radical Liberal party were allowed to pass, as a trickle. He was, by and large, lucky to survive the term in spite of this secret arrangement with the army.

- Wilsonian "Reform" Whigs, supported by Baruch would form a break-away party in 1922, and prompty ally with the old Whigs to try and contest the Presidential Election. Party fights over plantation policy and how hard to push for redeemed borders with the United States would see the alliance too weak to secure victory for the right.

[J] - The son of the famed Confederate radical and the Arkansas Draft resistor failed to win a single state, but did win several million votes for an outright "Socialist" if not "Marxist" party in the Confederacy. Neither man would live as a result to see New Years Day 1924. The party collapsing in the mean time due to the efforts of machines and both legal and extra-legal violence against them.

[K] - Slemp would continue the agreements with the Confederate military that had been established while he was merely the first Confederate Secretary of Confederate Relations on Education and Housing Aid. His great reform he was allowed to pass was the Confederate Education act, establishing a National University, like the US had in the 1880's. It was on his watch that the world economy tanked, and a program of massive road and railroad construction to provide work for the unemployed was denounced as building "Hundreds of Bridges to Nowhere". Some help would come in the last year of his term as in 1933 the Confederate Banknote was devalued to the point of allowing for cheap exports to the United States, though that was only allowed in limited amounts by the Socialists of the North.

[L] - In 1934 with a Socialist Government clearly entrenched in Philadelphia (And more and more, Washington, DC) Richard Russell, the young Radical Liberal from Georgia saw a chance to try and pressure the Confederate Military into allowing more reform. The nominal head of the Political-Office-That-Didn't-Exist in the General Staff, Colonel Clarence Potter would only relent after millions in Government funding would go to restart war industries to rebuild the Confederate Army, with the excuse being a crackdown on Freedomite violence was necessary. Unable to do much more, he was forced to walk a fine line between creating mountains of debt, devaluing the currency to meaninglessness, and letting the stumbling recovery of the world economy drag up the Confederacy to the surface with it. His administration would be noted for its well spoken, firebrand reformer Vice President, who was throughout the whole of the administration, more popular with her chief as she toured the nation's shanty towns and soup kitchens seeking to raise hopes with her confident vision. He would live to a natural death, she would flee to the United States in 1941 after the murder of her husband by a mail bomb.

[M] - Baruch's close political-economic ally promised to transform the Confederacy with a "Secret Plan to redevelop the economy" that turned into a terrible joke well before the end of the campaign, wrecking what might have been the first real Conservative chance at regaining the Gray House since the war.

[N] - As a partial result of this, far right forces united under the banner of the True Whig Party, hearkening back to the days before the war. It should be noted that while Jake Featherston stood on the sidelines, it was clear to all that the True Whigs were at least riddled with Freedomite members. It would win the state of Texas though before cracking up over the violence of the Freedomites on one hand and the hopes of other reactionaries of destroying Confederate Democracy through the ballot box.

[O] - In 1940 as the world began to shift from Depression towards War, the Popular Alabama reformer William Bankhead took office and in less than six months was dead. A party platform calling for a "New Deal" for the Confederate People was unable to get off the ground before his death, and following it and the succession of the first Non-White Confederate President (From the whiter, upper classes of Cuba where he had been government) it was dead in the water. The Army mutinied in mass as now Brigadier General Potter saw his chance to rebuild the Confederacy into a strong, well lead state, free of Liberalism. And thus there was a second "Secretary of General Affairs" and the Impeachment of the President, who in turn was killed by Organization Stonewall not two weeks after leaving office, after writing his first critical editorial of his successors.

[P] - Major General John Wogan became for all effects and purposes the Presidential Semi-Constitutional Dictator of the Confederacy during the first half of the Second Great War. Walking a hardline Anti-Union line while being willing to go over to the German side, Wogan was a thorn in the side of President Perkins (That Damned contemptible woman) seeking to deny the sale of war material to the Union no matter what it could have done for the Confederate economy. His administration would be defined by a series of border stand offs as the United States began to fear the only solution was military force and the opening of another critical front. Under Wogan a series of internment camps also opened in Alabama and Texas for political opponents, though this would rapidly become troublesome for him to maintain in the face of mass public opposition.

[Q] - In 1945 in the face of a military dictatorship in all but name, the internment of many allies and partners, and the threat of arrest for himself, WWI veteran and Virginian Senator Reggie Bartlett retook the Gray House for the Radical Liberals. In a twist of fate he had met his American Socialist counter-part some years before, when Martin had personally taken him prisoner on the Roanoke Front. In the midst of a global war against Authoritarianism though, the two men took off swimmingly. The Confederacy would join Mexico, Chile and Argentina in joining the war on the allied side in 1946. A Three Division Confederate Expeditionary Force even serving with US troops in the Invasion of Europe. At home, military force was turned on the Freedomite organizations for the first time. As barrels crushed camps in the hills of Tennessee and the internment camps were emptied of political prisoners and began to hold Freedom Party Guardsmen awaiting trial, the world of the Confederacy was turning upside down as the Reactionary-Establishment pact that had held things together as they pleased for decades seemed doomed.

With the Army not growing leaps beyond its war restriction size, and with so many troops bound for service overseas, Bartlett used the war to end the old Taylor-Stuart Pact that had dictated Liberal action in the Gray House since 1923. While the Confederate Solider fought for freedom abroad, the Confederate Government would fight for him at Home. Not only was a Servicemen's Education Act Passed but in the face of entrenched opposition to his "Fair Deal" agenda of economic and political reform, the threat of US support was enough to force the Confederate Congress to agree to a new Constitutional Assembly in 1949, the year after the end of the Greater War, which Bartlett would use to pass a slate of amendments, with a "Second Bill of Rights" in hand calling for equality, the empowerment of the individual, and the redistribution of power away from the landed elites, it was for the first time in decades, an era of possibility for the Confederacy, rather than of suffering and decline. Thats not to say that there wasn't oppostion. But Bartlett's supporters were highly optimistic of their post-war chances, and Baruch would have a hard time winning his promised run for a full term in the next election if the old man had to win without machine votes and military force to back him up.

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A Theoretical Look Forward: The Victorious Opposition

The third entry into the ATLF series for Timeline 191's various segments:Breakthroughs, How Few Remain. Yup, here's another one, as I've previously said this is just a fun little game about thats thanks to discussions with Thande on the issue. Still have to go for In at the Death obviously, that'll happen sometime in next year I guess based on the rate of gaps between these. After that, maybe I'll finally do Fail-Safe.

Oh and remember FDR wasn't a Socialist until Settling Accounts.

1937-1942: Alfred E. Smith / Charles W. La Follette (Socialist)[1]
1936: Herbert C. Hoover / William H. Borah (Democratic), James A. Reed / Henry C. Wallace (Republican)
1940: Robert A. Taft / Alfred M. Landon (Democratic), Wendell L. Willkie / Henry A. Wallace (Republican)

1942-1944: Norman M. Thomas / vacant [Acting] (Socialist)[2]
1944-1945: Frank H. Little / Abner Dowling (Social Defense)[3]
1944: Daniel MacArthur / Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic / Republican), Norman M. Thomas / Dorothy Day (Proletarian "Peace" Socialist)[4]
1945-1952: Frank H. Little / Abner Dowling (Popular-Remembrance Front)[5]
1952-1957: Frank H. Little / Robert H. Merriman (Popular-Remembrance Front)

1954: Michael Pound / Thomas E. Dewey (Co-Operative)[6]
1957-1957: Robert H. Merriman / Benjamin O. Davis, Sr. (Popular-Remembrance Front)
1957-1965: Avro K. Halberg / Jacob Shulman (Popular-Remembrance Front)[7]
1965-1972: Avro K. Halberg / Joshua Blackford (Popular-Remembrance Front)

1964: Thomas C. Douglas / Theodore M. Kennedy (Cooperative)[8]
1972-1982: George S. McGovern / Cassius Madison (Popular-Remembrance Front)[9]
1974: Frank P. Zeidler / Pete Seeger (Cooperative)
1982-1988: Cassius Madison / H. Stockton Thompson (Popular-Remembrance Front)[10]
1984: Ralph Nader / William J. Clinton (Cooperative)
1988-1993: Robert A. Zimmerman / Thomas E. Haden (Popular-Remembrance Front)[11]

Notes:

[1] - Smith the third Socialist President elected in the United States had taken office hoping to offer a quick recovery from the depression on the now traditional Socialist stance: laissez-faire Liberal reforms with no increase in spending, a Revolution only in name. This came about on such a slow rate that most people barely felt Smith was worth thanking. But luckily (Or unluckily as fate would show) for Smith the issue in 1939 and 1940 was no longer a sluggish recovery but the looming clouds of War. Smith assured his reelection on a platform calling for negotiation with the Featherston Regime in Richmond. Popular support for the handover of Huston and Kentucky via plebiscite. But when Featherson inevitably demanded for war, Smith, long a supporter of cutting defense funding went to war.

In less than six months in 1941 Freedomite troops slashed across Ohio, cutting the rail lines acorss the states on two, while support via arms, equipment and bomber raids destroyed major Canadian lines and this broke American supplies between east and west. Irving Morrell was dead in the field. A Congressional witch hunt began and all the while the two broken halves of the Union were required to face a supply gauntlet around Cape Horn. While Smith was forced to deploy US troops to try and crush the Mormon and Canadian revolts to reopen supply lines, Confederate gains pushed into Sequoyah, Missouri, and Western Pennsylvania. When a Federal two pronged assault on Central Ontario and against the Pittsburgh incursion failed, Smith was forced to throw in the towel.

Forced for a second time to arrive in Richmond, this time hat in hand, Smith would agree to the massive disarmament of the United States military, the complete restoration of Pre-Great War Confederate borders, the creation of a Canadian Republic (Anglo-Canada to the West Coast), and an abandonment of the US-German alliance.

When Smith arrived back in bombed out Philadelphia, at least one sniper took aim, though Smith survived, his resignation was rapidly forthcoming, only making sure that Charlie LaFollette was gone first. Smith would die in exile in Rome, Italy in 1943.

[2] - Norman Thomas, Smith's Secretary of State, assumed the office upon the Smith-LaFollette departure. As such it was Thomas who had to oversee the nation face riots, the political crisis and the messy departure from Canada. The image of US Army (Technically now US Emergency Police) trucks rushing North or South past lynched corpses on the roadsides, became a defining image of the Thomas era, along with the three meetings with Jake Featherston. Under Thomas' term, gag rules would return to Congress to try and prevent criticism of the Confederate policy of the Government. Thomas would say nothing when Featherston invaded Haiti, or when the Germans were forced back to the Central German plain. While he was certain America couldn't rearm yet or stand up to the Confederacy, the American people only saw kowtowing and disgust.

Historians can note one bright spot in Thomas' regime, the moral acceptance at gunpoint of the Black Population of the South, whom from 1943 onward, arrived by the trainload with no possessions, little to no education, and no future. But they were alive. Thomas' resettlement plan for is reflected to this day in the massive Black Majorities in Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, and New Mexico.

[3] - The 1944 election result would see the union of the Radical Socialists and the Determined Nationalists whom shared next to nothing in common except a refusal to accept the Smith-Thomas appeasement platform. A hardliner, gadfly of the Socialist Party who was never going to be able to go past his long term Governorship of Montana and the cashiered man who had done everything he could to hold out in Ohio without the support of the goverment were able to turn into the great heros of the Fourth Union-Confederate War. After the election, Featherston was quick to pre-emptively attack. By the end of November Thomas' lame duck rule was for all practical purposes over. And Little and Dowling from the Northern Rocky Mountains had assumed de facto control of the nation as Unions, local Political Parties, Veterans Organizations, and the Freedmen's Bureau, and army company by army company took up arms to the cry of Mass Resistance.

[4] - Daniel MacArthur had secured the Democratic nomination on a platform declaring that he could deal with Featherston better, and that he would require Emergency Powers to rebuild the nation. MacArthur was open in discussing how the nation was in need of a dictatorship. Norman Thomas ran on a platform as well that the people needed Peace, and that rearmament and violence was the dream of the slaver and the robber baron.

[5] - In 1945 when the official oath was given to Little and Dowling the Social Defense Party was gone, replaced by an All-Party and several Non-Party Organizations Coalition. The Chief Justice was standing in the Statehouse in California.

By then the organization that would remain in action for the rest of the war was in place, Dowling commanded the war effort, Little led what was left of the home front. Featherston's troops stood in Philadelphia, and most of New Jersey, across Missouri, in Chicago and Phoenix and Denver. Death squads marched into the relocation camps of Freedmen. Gas bombs landed in Boston and Milwaukee.

But by 1949 thing had gone in the new direction, Commissars had secured order, the Canadian Republic didn't join in the attack. The US Armies were now marching into the Confederacy. By 1949 Featherston was dead, the Confederacy collapsing, the United States stood supreme over at heart of the North American continent. The United States had won but at a massive cost, Germany had its own Atomic Bomb, the United States didn't have a major city that wasn't gutted, and a population that had suffered something near a 20% loss of population. Millions and millions were dead. But the Freedomites were dead, and the Union was restored.

Dowling was uncomfortable with the political reforms at home, but it was clear it was needed to save the nation. The United States election of 1948 was cancelled in the process of the war, and Congress was gutted. But he agreed it was needed. In 1950, the war on the battlefield being over, Little and Dowling would oversee a new Article Five convention, in 1952 creating the Second Republic of the United States of America.

It was an Irony in the end that Abner Dowling, Custer's protege oversaw the passage of a new radical Marxist form of government in the United States, but even as he left office in 1952 he refused to denounce any of it. Neither did Little, who was nothing but glad to be securing a new form of Democracy for the nation.

[6] - Ten years after the last elections, only one opposition party, those Democrats and Republicans who had joined the PRF from outside of the Social Defense party were able to clear the threshold to run in the first of the new once-a-decade election. As such, for the next several decades they'd be the only main opposition in the United States.

[7] - In 1957 President Little died of a stroke, his new VP, a one-time Professor turned commander of the 2nd California Guards Armored Corps thought he was going to have at least until 1965. Instead he would last three months. He is entirely remembered for having the first African American man to serve as number two, when Ben Davis went from Supreme Commander of the US Army (A post he had earned during the long fight from Minnesota to Atlanta and then to North Carolina.) to the Vice Presidents Office Building in the new, reconstructed Washington D.C.

Avro Halberg, hardline leader of the "Communists" faction of the PRF would take over in a closed door cabinet vote. For the next fifteen years he would hold tight to the United States. Under his administration the United States detonated the nations first atomic bomb in 1961. Under him too there would be naval war, against Japan, for the first time in the nation's history "Beyond Oahu". The war, beginning over a Japanese attack on the Republic of Australia, would end with over two dozen atomic weapons being detonated over the Home Islands, and Japanese bases on Luzon. In the 27 months of the war in 1963 and 1966, the United States would once again become a force that Berlin had to recognize. With its end, the Japanese empire would collapse. And the United States, beyond its seizure of Formosa Oahu and several dozen small island territories in between, Fiji, Samoa, Guam, Truk and the like, would go home, and leave the mess of East Asia to be cleaned up by East Asians.

With the end of the War Halberg sought to create a "Victor's Peace", and brought in a war hero of the Fourth Confederate War, and son of a Socialist President to help bring about "The GI's Revolution." But while Blackford did much for him by 1972 fatigue was too much, and the young guns of the Party were able to see him sent off to a quiet retirement in the Far North.

[8] - Tommy Douglass had come to the United States a refugee in the bloody birthing days of the Canadian Republic. Having settled in Wisconsin he would eventually become Chief Commissar of the 5th US Army fighting in Missouri, Arkansas and Louisiana. His 37.5% Victory would be the highest Co-Operative Party Victory on record.

[9] - George McGovern came in as a "Grand Reformer". A charismatic hero of the Last Confederate War, leading a squadron of Fighter Bombers, with a black guerrilla who'd fought his way from escaping a massacre in a Colorado resettlement camp to the coast of Texas as his right hand. The two of them would oversee over the next decade a process of decentralization and liberalization in the regime, overseeing a massive period of economic growth as the combines and collectives of the Little system were turned into co-ops. Which in turn would do nothing more than gut the opposition by co-opting Co-Op's stance on Co-Ops.

[10] - In 1982 McGovern was out, and Madison, the grandson of Confederate Slaves took office. With economic reform booming, Madison proved to be moving towards a new political reform, highly backed by his new VP, the tough talking former Governor of Colorado. In 1988 the two were ready to act, as a series of new amendments were proposed to boost the multi-party system of the Republic.

[11] - Zimmerman and Haden were the first generation of leaders not to have served in the Confederate War, though Zimmerman had served as a naval officer in the Japanese war. The two would oversee a hardline crackdown, Cassius Madison would "die in his sleep" several weeks after the handover of power. Stock Thompson on the other hand, would simply disappear. the Zimmerman-Haden regime would crackdown hard on the protests, and turn back both the moves towards political action and the past two decades economic action.
 
A Theoretical Look Back: Wolfenstein (United States)

Bethesda's shift of the classic Wolfenstein game series from the WWII era to a Post-War Nazi Victory AH isn't the strongest AH in the current Pop Cultural interest in the genre and in fact, is possibly the weakest. Thats fine because the point of The New Order/The Old Blood/The New Colossus universe isn't to show a detailed timeline. Its about having Nazis with mechas and lasers and playing as a Polish-Texan Jewish-American Solider who cannot and will not be stopped on his decades long crusade to destroy the Goddamned Nazi Inter-Planetary Empire. And its goddamned great at that.

That said, major gaps, especially with the latest game which featured (1) The KKK as a major political force in the United States which the Nazis could put in charge of large swaths of the country in the 1948-1961 Period despite their critical decline between the Great Depression and the 1960s and the State Soverignty/Concerned Citizens/KKK pipelines (2) Featured in 1961 with the implication of decades of it working a Black American Underground that is stylistically that of the Black Pathers which wouldn't exist for a decade to come (3) Americans watching their country fall on TV in 1948 (4) The implications that the United States had some major goddamned anti-war issues while fighting the goddamned Nazis on a scale that fits for Vietnam but not when we were fighting goddamned Nazis.

Mind you you should not worry about any of that while playing the game but hey, I wanted to worry about it after I beat the game. Obviously the actual in game divergence goes back thousands of years but I'm going to keep it simple. So yeah. Here goes. I might do this also for Germany and a few other countries because I have ideas.


Presidents of the United States of America

1913-1918: T. Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt / Hiram Johnson (Progressive), William H. Taft / [James S. Sherman] Nicholas M. Butler (Republican), Eugene V. Debs / Emil Seidel (Socialist)
1916: Charles E. Hughes / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican), Eugene V. Debs / C. Kathrine Richards O’Hare (Socialist)

1918-1921: Thomas R. Marshall / vacant (Democratic)

World War I was too much on President Wilson. German Gas attacks, with the introduction of nerve agents shortly after the American Declaration of War became exponentially more horrific. The entry of German Tanks and into No Man's Land and the new threat of Fuel-Air Explosives over Paris and London with the Luddendorf Offensive just made the hell on earth even worse. And while American Doughboys whispered rumors about the Germans finding some strange ruins somewhere in the heart of the Ottoman Empire amid the massacres and horror of that distant front which had led to these breakthoughs, the casualty totals were enough to send Woodrow Wilson into a fatal Stroke in the early summer of 1918. In the end though, American numbers and Entente know-how was enough to turn the tide around. In November of 1918 the German navy mutinied and Revolution Swept across Germany and Austria with Karl Liebknecht declaring the Free Socialist Republic of Germany in Berlin within a week. And while the Allies never crossed into Germany proper, this revolution put the ribbon ontop of the Fifty Days Offensive as the Germans had been pushed out of the trenches.

As Germany joined Russia and it seemed all of Eastern Europe in Civil War it took over a year for President Thomas and his allied counterparts to secure final treaties, with no one being left happy about the results. The Treaty of Versailles saw the establishment of the World Congress, saw both German governments forced to accept the Rhine border and saw Germany's Colonial Empire shredded apart. When President Marshall went home with it he was able to manage Congressional approval but then also saw Congress slash the Army budget back to nothing and the nation insist that the American Army of the Rhine be disbanded and sent home as quick as possible as the country insisted on a return to Neutrality. By 1920, as Ludendorff and a collection of Zepplin Captains, Prisoner of War Camp Commanders danced the jig after the Brussels War Crimes Trials the US Army was all but out of Europe, and the Franco-Belgian-British Occupation the the Rhineland was that much more tenuious in the face of the Ruhr Red Underground and the German Ultra-Nationalists. Not to mention the Freikorps vs Spartakist Civil War on the other side of the Rhine.

President Marshall would spend the rest of his term dealing with an ever increasing economic problem in the country and his efforts to ensure the passage of the Prohibition Amendment, which to the thanks of many a Wet would fail. For the time being.

1921-1925: Frank O. Lowden / George W. Norris (Republican)
1920: Thomas R. Marshall / Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic), Maximillian S. Hayes / C. E. Ruthenberg (Socialist)

In the midst of what was rapidly becoming a national depression, and amid all of the broken losses of what was rapidly being viewed as an unnecessary war the Republicans were able to sweep into office with ease. Just in time for the Italian Government to face its own Marxist and Anarchist uprisings. Russia vanishing from the world economy had been bad enough. The cost of Germany doing so had been immunized by the isolation of the Kaiserreich amid the preceding war years. But Italy was just one too many, and while within two years the crisis would be finished there, it sent the French and British economies tumbling and for America, already dealing with trouble it was too much. Frank Lowden would respond to the Great Depression with a mix of light-hearted progressive programs and an effort to try and push the American people towards confidence with nothing to back it up. Having come into office expecting a peaceful and quiet time with hopes of economic prosperity, Frank Lowden would earn himself bottom rankings with one in five American men out of work by the time the country had had enough with him in 1924. Women though did gain the right to vote in the 1922 Midterm Elections nationwide for the first time. A bright spot in sad times, they would use it in record numbers to make their voices, and their children's empty stomachs heard.

By 1922 Italy was secure on all five of its shores. In 1923 the Civil War in the Soviet Union was over, and that Red nation was secure but contained. The same year the Regency Goverment in Germany defeated the last major Communist Forces in the Reich and somehow had finally gotten the British to accept the annexation of Austria. Very little of this mattered to the American people.

1925-1927: William D. Haywood / C. Kathrine Richards O’Hare (Socialist)
1924: Samuel M. Ralston / Charles W. Bryan (Democratic), Frank O. Lowden / George W. Norris (Republican)
1927-1929: C. Kathrine Richards O’Hare / vacant (Socialist)

The Democrats were the party of the Imperialist War, Political Machines and the Solid South. Every desperate Republican Effort to oust Lowden off the ticket had failed. Half of the country cared more about banning booze then they did about the Hungry Veterans and their families living in shantytowns across the US. And so it was that a tide of Farmer-Labor Politics, radical unionism, communists, utopians, Marxists, moderate socialists and the like who had barely kept it together in the face of the hoped for "global revolution" pulled a shocking upset victory.

The Peacetime Army went on strike against the Red Government, its officers were purged and tried in a constant rolling stream. "Spontaneous" Factory Seizures and Land Acquisitions occurred. "Big Bill" had Big plans for the country, but knowing that the massive Socialist gains were only based on the 1922 Midterms to this moment tried to walk a careful balancing act. There would be no American Worker's States of America just yet. What he did aim for was an intense package of economic relief and reforms, a series of constitutional amendments ranging from Child Labor and Poll Tax Bans which did pass (1927 and 1926 respectively) to the much slower to get support Second Bill of Rights. But what he could do was reform immigration law, what he could do was work against American Anti-Semitism, and Racism and Sexism, and his administration would be defined just as much by his fights for Organized Labor as they were for that fight for Civil Rights. He had to waste an enormous amount of time dealing with the Tri-Party Dry Caucus who were commuted to making sure that a ban on Alcohol would come first. His own opposition to that was manifested in his death before he was able to get many of these struggles done.

A big part of the reason why his Anti-Bigotry efforts met so little success was obvious to all at this point. And only became worse when the first American Female President took office. Kate Richards O'Hare, massively popular with the Socialist Party Rank and File for over a decade at that point had taken the lead for many in the party who didn't value "Nigger Equality" worth a damn. President Haywood's Anti-Lynching Law suddenly was forgotten by the Federal Government. The Executive Orders that had mandated equal pay, and equal access were withdrawn. The Federalized National Guard units were called off. The efforts of thousands of people for voter registration for minorities was abandoned. Instead quiet agreements were made, Socialism in America would be for the white race. And so the small, hard fought programs of relief that Haywood had sought were turned into a tidalwave of Economic support for farmers, for laborers, for artists and housewives and office clerks and the unemployed. Massive efforts saw mass produced trolley car suburb Federal housing, saw wage controls and heavy taxes on industry, as well as massive farm growth programs, health programs, dietary programs, unemployment programs, educational programs. By the end of it all Mrs. O'Hare was actually quite popular. Except within her own party were she would retain only one third of the party's overall membership after the 1928 Party National Convention.

1929-1937: Edward L. Jackson / Mabel Walker Willebrandt (Republican)
1928: William G. McAdoo / James A. Reed (Democratic), Henry Ford / Burton K. Wheeler (Independent), C. Katherine Richards O’Hare / William Z. Foster (Socialist)
1932: Cordell Hull / Edwin Corning (Democratic), William Z. Foster / Lovett Fort-Whiteman (United American Socialist)

1937-1945: Herbert C. Hoover / Rice W. Means (Republican)
1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt / William B. Bankhead (Democratic)
1940: Henry S. Breckinridge / James M. Curley (Democratic), David I. Walsh / Frank B. Kellogg (America First)


Besides the Socialists the other great force that arose in the Depression was the white man's fraternal organization that was the Ku Klux Klan. White Nationalism, Hardline American Nationalism, A Working Class Bent and a Radical Racist form of Populist Agrarianism came together to revive the old redeemer organization so beloved by the late President Wilson. The Klan fought for a dry, protestant, white country and in the midst of the Depression they lit up like wildfire. Combining limited resources of many allowed for basic help for most, as well as quite a bit skimmed off the top for those on the top. Mass murder was just a relative side effect, but after Kate O'Hare took over that was so much the better since the African-Americans who had been striving under Haywood were thought to be needed to put back into place. The result was that in 1928 the options were a Klansmen, a Klansmen, a Socialist who collaborated with the Klan and an ultra-traditionalist who the Klan had issues with because he was thought to be soft not on blacks or Jews but on the Catholic Clergy because he had given an Archbishop one of his famed Model T's.

One of the Klansmen one, and the economy limped forward. In the face of complete isolation from nearly all of American politics, Black and Hispanic America embraced separatism. White America was contented with Federal Law Enforcement getting extra powers, and backdoor efforts by the state and federal governments to fund the night riders to help keep things in place as many thought "they should be". As the American economy finally started to recover as the Weeping Twenties came to an end, the O'Hare reforms stayed in place, allowing many an American to enjoy a subsidized lifestyle that the working classes had never quite before seen. As president Jackson reclosed the borders and saw many of those programs be whittled away for the recent white immigrants and refugees he so hated, things got even better for the "Real Americans". In 1930 he would see the passage of the Prohibition Amendment they so desperately felt was necessary to force their beliefs on others. Suburban housing and rural relocation and development continued apace giving the Klan everything they had ever wanted, including a legitimacy that saw Klan Halls in many parts of the country gain the same status as the VFW, the American Legion or the Rotary Club. This cycle of ever increasing prosperity for the "right sort" of White Americans would continue on into the late 1930's well after President Jackson went back to getting away with raping young women and eating them on trains with no one else the wiser.

And then in 1939 the New Order in Germany attacked Romania and the world's decent into not just the twilight but the absolute darkness began. President Hoover maintained a strict neutrality as Romania fell. As Italy and its Serbo-Croat client state were attacked. As Japan joined the Axis in 1940, as France teetered. As Norway and Denmark were invaded later that year. As in 1941 France fell and then the German Army pivoted and attacked the Soviet Union and that whole rotting house caved in.

And then at the end of 1941 he didn't have a choice anymore. Japanese shipping to the Burma Front was deemed to exposed and Berlin and Tokyo agreed it might as well be now. The Japanese attack on Luzon was paired off with German submarine attacks against the American Atlantic Fleet and the Panama Canal. Everything went to hell at once.

The American Marxist and Anarchist Lefts didn't give a shit about the State Capitalist Regime in Moscow that was falling. Nor did they care for British Liberal Democracy. The "Right Sort" of Americans smelled a Jewish conspiracy. Opposition to the war was massive. Peacetime measures had been non existent and the draft had to be reinstated only after war was declared. As a compromise to the massive opposition the Draft would only be for service in the Americas. The armies that would go to fight the Reich and Japan would be volunteer only. Even that was too much for many of the young American men who had come of age in the prosperity of the thirties or those on the far left. Draft Riots occurred. When Japanese landings at Dutch Harbor saw draftees shipped North many refused to fight even then. Various American Socialist Parties and the IWW supported them and strikes in war factories.

To President Hoover's credit, American troops were able to turn the tide in Alaska, and at Rabaul in the Solomon Islands and took the leading role in the invasion of Sicily at the end of 1942. Also knowing that America was fighting with an Arm tied behind its back and that Britain's government had many a former appeaser who now was a waverer saw the combination of Allied Intelligence and Special Forces in the form of the Office of Secret Actions, the OSA which would take the war to the dark allies and dirty secrets of the Axis. Into 1943 it seemed like things were working. And then the whispers started again. German tech began to jump ahead by leaps and bounds again. Hitler, wounded in a bomb plot vanished and more and more it appeared that the SS was leading things, new faces like General Deathshead began to take a larger roll. In the Pacific Japanese pilots began to have better aircraft. In Italy the Reich started to have incredible forms of armor, and new assault rifles, and things turned into a stalemate. And then the Reich started pushing back. Hoover was ready to run for a third term, to see this war to its end. And all of his eggs were put into the basket of D-Day. When the landings at Calais were a failure the British Prime Minister resigned. Hoover announced the same day that he would not seek reelection. And while General Marshal was replaced by General Kruger to see the evacuation of what could be saved from the beaches at D+1 the world knew the War was going to take a much longer and painful course.

1945-1948: James F. Byrnes / Harold E. Stassen (Victory)
1944: Charles A. Lindbergh / Robert E. Wood (America First)

With Hoover Out and the body counts of Tarawa and Omaha Beach and Rome and Attu the Siberian Coast and Java and Norway mounting the Election of 1944 was a two party affair with two parties that in 1939 hadn't existed. America First, chose the commander of the twenty-fifth Air Force that had been fighting the Japanese over Bengal for over two years as their man, the famed Lone Eagle who wanted a ceasefire and an understanding with the Reich and had resigned from his post earlier in the year due to the "useless" nature of continued fighting. Against that was the slapped together Victory Party of Pro-War factions that would do anything it took to keep fighting against a regime they knew was absolute evil. Victory won, but by then the Nazi tech advances were too much. In 1945 the American Army had to evacuate Sicily. At the invasions of Mindanao and Guam the Japanese navy sprung traps with their new submarines and Jets that obliterated the Pacific Fleet. The Governors of California, Oregon and Washington called up what they still had of their National Guards and refused to pass them onto Federal Service as an Anti-Invasion measure creating a crisis of unspeakable magnitude for the country. Protests on college campuses bursting with students avoiding the draft skyrocketed as did desertions among "Continental Service" Units of draftees as rumors swirled that the new president was going to change draft laws.

1946 saw a desperate last ditch effort by the allies to turn the tide and shutdown the massive leaps in Nazi tech. The OSA threw everything they had at it backed by the First Allied Airborne Army sent on a one way mission deep in the Alps. It failed. The British government failed again. As the Germans introduced the V-3 Cannons and V-4 Rockets into the bombardment of Britain the will of that country finally broke. London, was a gassed out and flattened ruin, the British army was a shattered hulk, India had fallen, two Kings were dead and the Duke of Kent assumed powers as Lord Protector to surrender the country. President Byrnes tried to keep a stiff upper lip after that, but in 1947 Australia surrendered to Japan and most of the British colonies in Africa and Asia that were left saw their governments refuse offers of American support. It was the Americans, the Canadians, Mexico and a handful of counties in Central America left. As German and collaborationist French, Belgian and British forces began arriving in Africa, Vice President Stassen flew to Pretoria and was arrested by the new government there on landing. It would take six months to convince them to let him go rather then hand him over to Berlin. But that was the last straw even for an old Dixiecrat. What was left of the OSA and the United States Marines were sent into Africa, ordered to tell the one timed allied colonial governments to fuck off and to support any native organizations willing to fight to save themselves against Fascism. For the first time in the War African-American troops had a chance to shine as divisions of volunteers spread out from Liberia to Ethiopia and down to Bechuanaland to kill Nazis and protect the populations there and blend in as much as they could behind the lines. Africa was going to be the ulcer that the German Bio-Mech monster choked on. And for a few months it looked like the plan was working. Preparations began to repeat the process in Japanese Occupied India and neutral China. Help came from others sources as well and in New Mexico there was hope about an ultra-secret new project that had had bad results in flight tests in 1947 but it was hoped that in the years to come would yield real, tangible results.

And instead, as 1948 dawned the sound of jet engines was heard over Long Island. Flying Wings didn't appear on Radar. And suddenly over Manhattan a fireball and the world entered the atomic age. The following waves were on radar. The Army Air Forces rose to fight them, not even Anti-War rhetoric could stop the fighter pilots from taking this fight. But the German swept wing jets flew circles around the P-80 Shooting Stars and P-59s and destroyed them all to the man. And as the lumbering German bombers appeared over the Mid-Atlantic on radar the offer was made via the Brazilian Embassy. Surrender now or what happened to New York will happen to every city East of Chicago. Byrnes lost his nerve. He should have fought. He should have seen the heart of America turned to ash. He should have fallen back to he Rockies and died sometime in the early 1950s with a carbine in his hand and blood filling his mouth. Instead came surrender. Hours later the German Airborne began to arrive to begin the occupation, he would broadcast on live Television, a new medium that had taken off like fire in the middle class as a status symbol against the subsidized radio sets of the working class in their mass produced suburbs, that the German occupation was invited and that State, Federal and Local authorities were required to cooperate and support the new regime. Harold Stassen at that point was already dead, having shot himself as a coward. Byrnes would in the end be given an estate in South Carolina to enjoy the rest of his life under the "protection" of the SS. Few would be as comfortable as him the years to follow.

Reichsprotektoren of the United States

1948-1951: Fritz J. Kuhn (German-American Bund / National Socialist German Worker's Party)
1951-1958: Anton A. Mussert (National Socialist Movement / National Socialist German Worker’s Party)


Under the terms of the Armistice of Silver Springs the United States would be occupied indefinitely as a Protectorate. The clique of Nazis running things at this point decided first to appoint the leader of the German American Bund to this office as an effort to appease the American people with having one of their own in the job. Kuhn's incompetence and his taste for corruption set the tone for the decades to follow as true authority in the United States found its way into the hands of the Head of Protectorate Security, the Head of the Army Occupation and a shifting collection of various other German officials. Collaboration was a patchwork. In the West Coast initially the Japanese were part of the team, until in 1951 they weren't anymore and the Home Islands were hosting German Garrisons as well. In large parts of the US, especially the South local democracy continued, completely in the hands of the KKK in exchange for their help in purging the Americas of untermenchen. Victory Squads killed Jews everywhere, obliterated nearly all of them with the help of many a willing collaborator, even those not in the Klan or the Bund.

When Kuhn died in 1951 the clique decided that this ad hoc system was doing nicely and decided with their plans in motion for the long term fate of the US that things were best served by another Reichs Protector not directly out of Berlin. And so just as the Netherlands had been led by Austrians they took the head man of the Dutch Nazis and gave him a promotion. Anton Mussert has as much a figurehead as Kuhn, but he did make a name for himself playing the little engineer in the United States, with a plan of course building autobahns and complex military bases especially in the Southwest and especially at Roswell.

After ten years of occupation he turned in his title and went home to Amsterdam, and Berlin where he would become the new Minister of Supply for the Reich. He would have no replacement as the view was after ten years of indoctrination and occupation the next step in the plan would be ready, and in 1958 the United States was broken up into the "American Territories", a series of Commissariats with the goal of total incorporation into the Reich and the death of any sense of American identity, to be completed sometime in the 1980s, at which time it was assumed that the troubles of Africa and China would be finished once and for all as well, and the whole world would be absorbed into the Reich.

Special Presidents of the United States

1948-1950: Clare E. Hoffman (National Partnership)
1950-1951: Gerald B. Winrod (National Partnership)
1951-1953: Clare E. Hoffman (National Partnership)
1953-1956: Revilo P. Oliver (National Partnership)

1952: Unopposed
1956-1958: Robert W. Welch, Jr. (National Partnership / American People’s Social Party)
1956: Unopposed
German-American Peace, Friendship and Protection Treaty Ratification, 1958: Approval

As bad as all that was, no group was as bad as the "Special Presidents" who were installed by the Reich to serve as the Domestic, Civilian face of the new Protectorate in the years to come.

Clare Hoffman, the raging Anti-Semite and Pro-Fascist Michigan Congressmen who had become a leading spokesmen of America First was selected first became he was seen as a good no body to prep things for Lindbergh or Huey Long. Instead Lindbergh would enthusiastically join the Luftwaffe's Space program as an adviser and be the first American to arrive at the first base on Mars, remaking himself as a German and damning his own country for its impurities. Long on the other hand was just too power hungry and too slimy, and was never allowed to do anything more then be the Special Governor of Louisiana trusted with not even to be involved with the creation of the mass ghetto of New Orleans.

Hoffman, having done his part to ensure that the "Victory Squads" and the Death Camps did their jobs the best they could was replaced in a Nazi effort to see if the American People would do better under what appeared to be a Kindly Old Man.

Gerald Winrod, the Jayhawk Nazi was anything but that and in fact his efforts went too far for the Reich when he tried to organize popular militias to commit purges against Catholics without Nazi Supervision. While the Reich had no fondness for Catholicism, they weren't happy with Winrod's Evangelicalism either, wanting the American chruch to submit itself to the Reich just as they had forced German churches to more then a decade before. When Winrod defied the reich and had his club-carrying goons sack Chicago, the Reich had enough of him and he was quietly shot in the back of the head and Hoffman brought back.

Revilo Oliver offered a hard face the Nazis loved and a totalitarian mindset and a need to lick boots that any Nazi could work with. He was their man for the first rubber stamp election in 1952 where the American people were en mass finally introduced to the one option ballot. He would spend his time using the apparatus of the American state to break up the Church for the Nazis and he would do it well. As well as assuring many Americans that things were fine under the Reich as prosperity and the white subsidy continued on as before, with no attention to be paid to slave labor camps and the other countless horrors of the regime, or the mass and casual murders. Oliver would be rewarded with a few years off before becoming head of the Civil Administration in the Commissariat of Texas.

And then there was Welch. Oliver's partner in crime, an authoritarian of the world sort it was he who was decided to be the Leader of American National Socialism. Under his watch the "Post-Political" National Partnership was reformed into the American People's Social Party. Under his time in office everything was aimed at the 1958 "free" vote that would see the American People willingly end their sham democracy and their country. And Welch was the prefect man for that. The APSP was centered on him absolutely in an American imitation of the Führerprinzip, Follow him, follow Hitler and follow the Glorious Reich and anything was possible for White America, everything would only get better without dissent, without debate, and with the comforts of the security of being embraced as a full member of an Empire that streched from South America to the Northern Hemisphere of Venus. His reward was the head the Civil Administration of the Largest Commissariat, that of New England and the Great Lakes.
 
That Wonderful Life list is still so so good.
I'm very fond of it myself.

Well thats everything I'm bringing over I think, there are a few other lists but they're not worth keeping. So I'm done with the old site. Its kind of funny how a lot of these lists were made years apart and yet have similarities that often have NOTHING to do with anything. I have no idea why I used Buddy Roemer so much, for example.
 
I'm very fond of it myself.

Well thats everything I'm bringing over I think, there are a few other lists but they're not worth keeping. So I'm done with the old site. Its kind of funny how a lot of these lists were made years apart and yet have similarities that often have NOTHING to do with anything. I have no idea why I used Buddy Roemer so much, for example.
I do remember doing an analysis of the people used in my early lists and it was really interesting.
 
PM Salmond does still give shivers :oops:

I’m working on a new TL format style with Gonzo - it’s looking well so far.
It doesn't give me shivers but not going to lie man, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Very excited to see what you have cooking though.
 
A Theoretical Look Forward: The Vulture's "The Revolution Will Be Live"

Spoilers

The Vulture's Work is no longer on this site and hell, since I started writing this the author himself has gotten banned. The Revolution Will Be Live thought was a hell of a project, and while it was unfinished before its deletion here, having read the end I can tell you it ended well. It was a story of pathetic, and desperate murderous protagonists seeking some sort of revolution against an America gone to the cusp of dictatorship and to an awful racist, authoritarian, and evangelically moralist place. And that practical dictatorship somewhere between 1960's West Germany, Apartheid Era South Africa, and the Red Scare and Segregationist US was defended by and large by moral, decent and competent men whom were revolted by those on their side who went down to those horrific lows.

Told from the perspective of the Journal of one of the leading sort-of-Anarchist-or-Communist revolutionaries, phone transcripts and a book entitled Smoke Over Massachusetts Avenue: The Rebellion of 1970, Vulture painted a portrait of a world where liberal opposition had been crushed leading to a direct confrontation between reactionaries and radicals, and of the people who would find themselves caught up and unable to stop the course of events that would follow.

It was a good read.

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So I ended it on a hope spot, Smoke Over Massachusetts Avenue lets me. Screw Dystopia.

I've been doing reading on the Symbionese and types like that and I've ordered Days of Rage by Bryan Burrough, and it makes me very angry I cannot read this TL.
 
I've been doing reading on the Symbionese and types like that and I've ordered Days of Rage by Bryan Burrough, and it makes me very angry I cannot read this TL.
It was so good Bob.

I once tried to reach out to The Vulture third hand though @Bruno about submitting it with SLP for publication but he declined :/.
 
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