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Oppo

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holy shit i have no clue which know which one these i want the most

Okonkwo is an amazing album title and a Pac-ZDLR collaboration would be very interesting

Other than Star Wars what is his acting career like here? Gang Related made me a simp for Jim Belushi

Are he and Nas still on good terms? In general what does the East-West split look like?
 

Blackentheborg

I can hear the blood on the moon
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holy shit i have no clue which know which one these i want the most

Okonkwo is an amazing album title and a Pac-ZDLR collaboration would be very interesting

Other than Star Wars what is his acting career like here? Gang Related made me a simp for Jim Belushi

Are he and Nas still on good terms? In general what does the East-West split look like?
tbh I'd put "All Power 2 The People" over all others. We already got Killuminati and I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto posthumously.

When in doubt just assume everything is going exactly like OTL unless otherwise stated.
 

Blackentheborg

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outkast/pac implies a much different 90s
He was planning to record a mega-collab with them, Scarface, E-40, Buckshot, the Outlawz, Greg Nice and Smif-n-Wessun before he died. It was gonna be called One Nation. It was reportedly conceived with the intention to end the west/east coast beef once and for all.
 

Comrade Izaac

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He was planning to record a mega-collab with them, Scarface, E-40, Buckshot, the Outlawz, Greg Nice and Smif-n-Wessun before he died. It was gonna be called One Nation. It was reportedly conceived with the intention to end the west/east coast beef once and for all.
could you imagine? i know this seems like a secondary thing, but the rap industry has probably been one of the most influential cultural institutions in this country. if east and west made peace, we could be looking at entirely new genres of music developing in the 2000s and an entirely new cultural identity along with it.
 

gentleman biaggi

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He was planning to record a mega-collab with them, Scarface, E-40, Buckshot, the Outlawz, Greg Nice and Smif-n-Wessun before he died. It was gonna be called One Nation. It was reportedly conceived with the intention to end the west/east coast beef once and for all.
i did not know this i need to catch up on my knowledge of 90s hh outside of memphis
 

Blackentheborg

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I'm reading up on Union history in the United States, cos what else are you gonna do at 1am, and I'm fuckin baffled.
The Ludlow Massacre, the Wisconsin milk strike, the Haymarket affair, the Illinois and Colorado Labor Wars, the fuckin Battle of Blair Mountain!
This happens again and again and again and there hasn't been one pesky overthrow of the bourgeois!
 

Comrade Izaac

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I'm reading up on Union history in the United States, cos what else are you gonna do at 1am, and I'm fuckin baffled.
The Ludlow Massacre, the Wisconsin milk strike, the Haymarket affair, the Illinois and Colorado Labor Wars, the fuckin Battle of Blair Mountain!
This happens again and again and again and there hasn't been one pesky overthrow of the bourgeois!
this is a broad overgeneralization that folks of a more Marxist persuasion are inclined to believe; part of the problem with starting a socialist revolution in the United States is that it's matieral conditions and class dynamics differ noticably from the empires of Europe that had seen successful socialist movements take out their governments and definitely vastly different than the nations of the global south that went red in the post-Colonial era, ecspecially on a cultural level. the old "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" line is something that gets thrown around a lot without much thought put into it, but that's because there is a certain amount of truth to it. american capitalism, the kind that's been slowly developing into the hellish neoliberal standard that we now live under, is defined by it's promotion of the "rugged individual", the hard worker who puts their all into it and achieves the American dream through hard work and self sacrifice. while that idea has always kind of been a false hood, ecspecially for black and brown people, most Americans buy into the fantasy because they're either a. entirely ignorant of the world around them due to deliberate undereducation and the constant consumption of capitalist ideology or b. because they believe it's the only option for them. american individualism slowly sheds the concept of community while utilizing the language of traditionalism to maintain established power structures and the consequence of this is that most people on the individual level completely give up the idea that building solidarity with those who share a common interest with you and utilizing collective power is a viable strategy for survival. for lack of a better phrase, most people are too busy in their bag to give half a shit about turning the weapons we use to kill eachother on a class of people they aren't even able to agree exists and some variation of this school of thought is always prevalent in American society throughout our nation's history, only beginning to shed recently as the contradictions have widened. it's part of the reason why it's so hard to build class consciousness in the united states.

so when workers would strike in the united states, even during the height of the labor movement, they might get some support from fellow unions and sympathetic members of the public, but the vast majority of the working population is either going to entirely ignore them or openly side with the bosses. and why shouldn't they? in their mind, it's not their boss or job, their life is entirely separate from yours and they intend to get theirs. hell most people can't even conceptualize themselves as workers and the gig economy and hustle culture hasn't exactly helped this in the modern day, although the internet certainly gives us an advantage that our ancestors didn't have in connecting with other people and taking in more information that better informs our view of the world and our class analysis in turn. but back then, all you had was newspapers, word of mouth, and the notion that the only thing that matters is your own personal wealth above all else. not exactly a great recipe for revolution in a country with notoriously low union density lmao
 

Comrade Izaac

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not to mention how disorganized and defined by infighting, both ideological and personal, the labor movement was for most of it's prominent existence in American society. part of any key revolution is successful mass organization and a lot of the labor unions of old we're either led and controlled by reactionaries, the labor bourgeoisie that benefit from the maintenance of capitalism, or were too defined by constant inner-organzational conflict to scrape together some sort of ideologically coherent political program, let alone a mass movement to support it. the first big example we see of labor flexing it's muscle on a collective nation wide scale outside of previous strikes that had won reforms like the eight hour work day was the new deal era and roosevelt spefically brought the unions into the new deal umbrella so that they would be less prone to radicalisisation as they would under the capitalism of hoover, coolidge, mckinley and the GOP.
 

gentleman biaggi

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not to mention how disorganized and defined by infighting, both ideological and personal, the labor movement was for most of it's prominent existence in American society. part of any key revolution is successful mass organization and a lot of the labor unions of old we're either led and controlled by reactionaries, the labor bourgeoisie that benefit from the maintenance of capitalism, or were too defined by constant inner-organzational conflict to scrape together some sort of ideologically coherent political program, let alone a mass movement to support it. the first big example we see of labor flexing it's muscle on a collective nation wide scale outside of previous strikes that had won reforms like the eight hour work day was the new deal era and roosevelt spefically brought the unions into the new deal umbrella so that they would be less prone to radicalisisation as they would under the capitalism of hoover, coolidge, mckinley and the GOP.
yeah that was a major reason why the IWW split off from the AFL-CIO because the AFL-CIO was becoming increasingly reactionary and often racist towards incoming immigrants.

i think the reason why modern American socialism or at least the questioning of capitalistic policies is becoming more mainstream and more popular is because we have been living under a similarly vicious capitalist system to the 1920s ever since the reagan/clinton consensus and even other barely socdem countries look good to people now.
 

Comrade Izaac

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i think the reason why modern American socialism or at least the questioning of capitalistic policies is becoming more mainstream and more popular is because we have been living under a similarly vicious capitalist system to the 1920s ever since the reagan/clinton consensus and even other barely socdem countries look good to people now

yeah and american socialism itself has had to adjust to the times over the decades as our culture slowly became more culturally progressive, at least at face. i'm sure a 17 year old socialist in 1945 probably had a much different view of what socialism is, what it entails and how exactly to achieve it then i do as a 17 year old in 2021.
 

Nyvis

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yeah that was a major reason why the IWW split off from the AFL-CIO because the AFL-CIO was becoming increasingly reactionary and often racist towards incoming immigrants.

i think the reason why modern American socialism or at least the questioning of capitalistic policies is becoming more mainstream and more popular is because we have been living under a similarly vicious capitalist system to the 1920s ever since the reagan/clinton consensus and even other barely socdem countries look good to people now.
I think our current era has a lot of similarities with the gilded age, just with an added layer of decay.

Regarding the IWW, one of the great losses of the last century was the communists pulling out of it under instruction from the soviet controlled comintern.
 

gentleman biaggi

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yeah and american socialism itself has had to adjust to the times over the decades as our culture slowly became more culturally progressive, at least at face. i'm sure a 17 year old socialist in 1945 probably had a much different view of what socialism is, what it entails and how exactly to achieve it then i do as a 17 year old in 2021.
i’m not reading all that
 
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