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Bush Does What Truman Couldn’t

Colin Powell/George H.W. Bush (Republican) 1993-2001
1992 Def. Bill Clinton/Bob Kerrey (Democratic), Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Independent)^
1996 Def. John Kerry/Ned McWherter (Democratic), Ross Perot/Paul Simon (Reform)
Jeb Bush/Allen Quist (Republican) 2001-2005
Def. Roy Barnes/Roland Burris (Democratic), Tom Golisano/William von Raab (Reform)
Ed Garvey/Charlotte Pritt (Democratic) 2005-2013
2004 Def. Jeb Bush/Allen Quist (Republican), Nolan Ryan/Gatewood Gailbraith (“True” Reform), Lowell Weicker/Eric Eidsness (“National” Reform)
2008 Def. Lonnie Hammargren/Herman Cain (Republican)
 

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Bush Does What Truman Couldn’t

Colin Powell/George H.W. Bush (Republican) 1993-2001
1992 Def. Bill Clinton/Bob Kerrey (Democratic), Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Independent)^
1996 Def. John Kerry/Ned McWherter (Democratic), Ross Perot/Paul Simon (Reform)
Jeb Bush/Allen Quist (Republican) 2001-2005
Def. Roy Barnes/Roland Burris (Democratic), Tom Golisano/William von Raab (Reform)
Ed Garvey/Charlotte Pritt (Democratic) 2005-2013
2004 Def. Jeb Bush/Allen Quist (Republican), Nolan Ryan/Gatewood Gailbraith (“True” Reform), Lowell Weicker/Eric Eidsness (“National” Reform)
2008 Def. Lonnie Hammargren/Herman Cain (Republican)
so does this make Reagan the Republican FDR
 

gentleman biaggi

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Big Tents Are Pretty Big - How Bob Dole Changed the Republican Party:

Bill Clinton/Al Gore (Democratic) 1993-2001
1992 Def. George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle (Republican), Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Independent)
1996 Def. Bob Dole/Bill Weld (Republican), Ross Perot/Paul Simon (Reform), Pat Buchanan/Charles Collins (Taxpayers-C.U.R.E.)

John McCain/David Beasley (Republican) 2001-2009
2000 Def. Al Gore/Evan Bayh (Democratic), Lowell Weicker/William von Raab (Reform)
2004 Def. Lewis Massey/Joe Neal (Democratic)
Scott Maddox/Kathleen Kennedy Townsend* (Democratic) 2009-2011
Scott Maddox/
vacant (Democratic) 2011-2012
Scott Maddox/Roy Romer (Democratic) 2012-2013

Def. David Beasley/Jim Ryan (Republican)
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend/Mike Morgan (Democratic) 2013-2021
2012 Def. Darrell Issa/Tim Pawlenty (Republican)
2016 Def. Pat Toomey/Dean Martin (Republican)
David Beasley/Chris Dudley (Republican) 2021-????

2020 Def. Mike Morgan/Russ Carnahan (Democratic)


*Resigned to challenge incumbent Scott Maddox in primary after allegations of improper behavior
 

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*ETERNAL SCREAMS FROM BEYOND THE OBLIVON*

  • In early 1972 John Mitchell dies in a car crash or some shit, and his replacement in CREEP is either G. Gordon Liddy or is a lot more open to Liddy's ideas
  • As such, the Nixon campaign actually does go ahead with operation Gemstone, kidnapping multiple far left leaders, which obviously causes massive amounts of suspicion, suspicion that is multiplied when one of them (figure one out) ends up mysteriously dying
  • Meanwhile, McGovern never chooses Eagleton and convinces Ribcoff to be his running mate, which probably infuriates Daley, but also ends in a much better result for McGovern as no Eagleton controversy and the beginnings of the unravelling of the Nixon administration help him. He still gets fucked but probably adds NY, SD, CT, RI, and MN to his OTL total.
  • Nixon, who is much more paranoid about being found out OTL goes ahead with his plan to kill Jack Anderson, which doesn't get tied back to Nixon until after his inauguration.
  • The discovery of two murders pushed by the President of the United States early in 1973 (say around March) obviously does not end well, and Nixon chooses the easy way out, and pulls a Bud Dwyer, scarring millions of Americans in the process.
  • Spiro Agnew stays in office despite his corruption allegations just long enough to appoint Winfield Dunn, a moderate Tennessee Governor known for pushing for unity, as his Vice President, but ends up being impeached in early 1974.
  • Dunn doesn't really do much as president, but probably ends up pushing for major reform in the intelligence community as the Church and Pike Committees are definitely around ITTL and are definitely much more openly critical about intelligence-media connections in the years leading up to the late 70s.
  • The Republicans suffer 1934-style defeats in 1974, with Democrats probably winning every senate seat in the class except for Maryland and Arizona.
  • Dunn doesn't really do much but he does choose Henry Bellmon as his VP after Bellmon loses in 1974, and attempts to stabilize the nation.
  • These attempts at stabilization don't really work, especially as the economy tanks and everything goes to shit following multiple Manson family related attacks, including one that kills Jerry Brown.
  • In 1976, neither Dunn or Bellmon want to actually run for re-election, and high profile Republicans like Reagan don't even want the nomination, with Reagan pushing for the Republicans to "rebrand", and as such, a lower profile Republican, Robert D. Ray, ends up taking the nomination, but fails to really revive the Republicans.
  • On the other side, a Democratic Party that is expected to win easily sees a massive group of candidates enter the primary, however, the Democrats end up shockingly nominating Mike Gravel, who is able to gain support as a liberal advocate for more open government, and hos French-Canadianism helps him win in New Hampshire.
  • Richard Viguerie keeps his promise with the AIP and ends up getting a nationally known conservative on the ticket, Roger Zion, a representative from Indiana known for his conservative views. Zion does okay and gets around 5% but not much else.
  • Mike Gravel and his running mate, Reuben Askew, demolish the Republicans and AIP, even winning multiple Southern and interior western states as Democrats take the nation pretty easily.
  • By this point Democrats have New Deal-style majorities in the senate, and Gravel can pretty much do whatever he wants, which, as you can imagine, ends incredibly well.
  • UBI and Universal Healthcare are passed, and the CIA and Taft-Hartley are dead in the street.
  • However, Gravel is much cozier with oil than Carter was, which means no nationalization or much regulation, but he also pushes for alternative energy, which is a very strange mix.
  • Yes, nuclear power is severely pushed back.
  • Military spending is rolled back heavily, but Gravel isn't perfect on foreign policy and still sells arms to Saudi Arabia because he's an Islamist at heart.
  • Gravel and the Democrats do better in '78, but retirements/deaths in the South and Gravel's noted non-Southerness cause losses in AR, MS, one of the AL elections, and WV.
  • The Middle East goes fucking kablooey as Saddam dies or some shit and Iraq and Syria merge once again while Iran and Saudi Arabia fall into chaos.
  • Gravel is much less focused on Iran than Carter and as such revolutionaries target the Soviet embassy instead of the US embassy (more in the Soviet section).
  • The Saudis still fuck up various revolutionaries, with help from Gravel, but an extended conflict still causes some amount of an energy crisis.
  • Gravel keeps price controls on oil, and as such some of the harsher effects of the oil crisis/inflation are avoided.
  • Inflation is still horrible and Fed Chairwoman Nancy Teeters isn't as harsh on it as Volcker, which is pretty cool in the long run probably.
  • Some little incident happens in Youngstown, and Gravel ends up actually helping the co-op because he has immense amounts of political capital in the midterms and because he's super cool, as such Gar Alperovitz, despite his off putting personality, becomes famous for his efforts and Commonwealth ideology, which grows in popularity among the far left of the US.
  • Some amounts of drug decriminalization occur, weed is probably legalized nationwide and there's major psychedelics measures on the state/county/city level.
  • Speaking of left-wing movements getting co-oped, there's no Moonbeam to hang around Tom Hayden, Jesse Jackson, and now Gar Alperovitz, but it's a-okay, because Charles O. Porter, the governor of Oregon, known for massive amounts of drug legalization, who has beef over some of Gravel's foreign decisions decides to jump in and gains radical leftie support, but that fizzles out because most lefties like Gravel.
  • On the other hand, with no Kennedy/Moonbeam, LaRouche's first attempt at serious campaigning actually gets solid attention in New Hampshire, where he pulls 8% of the vote, and as such, Americans get turned on to LaRouchism on a much more mainstream level.
  • In the Republican primary, South Carolina governor William Westmoreland, who recovered from losing in 1974 to WJB-D, is the clear frontrunner, as Ronald Reagan has cancer or some shit and the moderates infight between Charles Percy, Lowell Weicker, and Pete DuPont.
  • Westmoreland chooses Donald Rumsfeld as his running mate after Percy recommends him, which absolutely ends horribly due to Rumsfeld's inability to have a personality, extreme hawkishness, and connections to Nixon.
  • Westmoreland/Rumsfeld turns out to be a failure of a ticket, as they have connections to incredibly unpopular events and talk a bunch of shit about bombing the Soviets in Iran, which is very unpopular post-Vietnam.
  • Gravel wins comfortably, but loses much of the south and Southwest. The map is probably a better 1964 for Republicans.
  • Even with a comfortable win, Republicans gain seats in the senate simply due to how easy the map is to win on.
  • Gravel's victory is definitely a poisoned chalice, as sex scandals that have been kept under wraps finally come out, and even though most people don't care because the president killing himself was recent memory, it gets a bunch of conservatives angry as fuck.
  • Also stagflation still happens, and the ungodly Syria-Iraq united state goes to war in Israel over the Golan Heights, leading to another oil crisis, especially as the Iranians continue to fight the Soviets.
  • Inflation and another energy crisis cause hell, especially when Gravel gets pushed into ending price controls, causing prices to skyrocket as in OTL.
  • Flint, Michigan definitely has a Youngstown-type moment when Detroit's Big Three gets fucked.
  • Republicans do fantastic in 1982, and while they probably don't take the senate, they do take the House and make Gravel's last two years hell.
  • In weird ideologies news, Jerry Rubin starts his own news network because he's mega rich off of weed and Apple while Lyndon LaRouche (who's net worth was in the millions upon his death) starts 1980s InfoWars.
  • Yes, some version of Fox News gets started too but that's boring.
  • Hilariously, because CNN is still an idea, none of these channels are 24-hour news, which means we get some fantastic stoner comedies from RubinTV and like, a three hour segment on classical music from LaRoucheTV.
  • The LaRouche movement becomes much more mainstream and John DeCamp and Eugene McCarthy definitely latch on.
  • 1984 is a much more open election, with many Democrats not wanting to nominate a more moderate Southerner after 8 years of Mike Gravel, and William J. Brown, a midwestern progressive and surprisingly pro-Youngstown governor of Ohio, takes up much of the progressive vote.
  • Some non-LaRouche LaRouchite (Mike Billington probably) runs and gets like, 5% of the primary vote somehow.
  • Brown and Askew have a 2016-style primary fight that goes to the end, but Askew pulls out a narrow victory, angering many progressives and consumer advocates.
  • A left wing third party movement fails to attract either Brown or Gar Alperovitz, but they do nominate Harlan Baker, a representative from Maine, who calls for state banks and a bigger co-op movement.
  • On the Republican side, no clear frontrunner emerges, but Harrison Schmitt, a popular New Mexican senator and ex-astronaut gets nominated as a strong conservative western candidate, and chooses New York governor Paul Curran, who is known for his anti-corruption efforts, as his running mate.
  • The conservative ticket angers some liberals and moderates in the party, and Pete DuPont, wanting to promote his weird fucking ideas, decides to pull an Anderson, and picks Paul Finley as his running mate.
  • Even with the DuPont ticket running, Schmitt has a tight lead over Schmitt for much of the race, mostly due to economic anger at the Gravel administration and the Harlan Baker campaign.
  • The 1984 campaign sees a return to presidential debates, and famously has a three-way debate between Askew, Schmitt, and DuPont, which ends in DuPont yelling about farm subsidies for like 30 minutes and an attempt from Harlan Baker to crash the debate.
  • Schmitt still wins relatively easily, but he has small coattails, and doesn't seem prepared to do much as president.
  • Without a large congressional majority, Schmitt has to do most of his actions through EOs and economic policies
  • As you can imagine, Schmitt's federal reserve attempts to do Volcker-on-steroids as gas and oil prices are very high and ends up fucking over a large part of the economy, causing similar protests to OTL.
  • Paul Simon becomes famous for pushing the "Strong Dollar" in the Schmitt administration, as he is able to get a position there after failing to be elected to the house in the 1970s.
  • Volcker also goes after the unions and co-ops, which is very popular in some areas but leads to angry responses in the midwest, particularly Flint and Youngstown, where large protests occur.
  • While Schmitt is unpopular, the 1986 map is so blue that Democrats actually see losses in the senate, but they regain the House.
  • Schmitt attempts to defund the Youngstown and Flint co-ops due to the larger Republican senate majority and expected support from conservative Democrats, leading to a government shutdown in early 1987.
  • Schmitt does, however, heavily cut welfare, which is more popular than expected due to Gravel's UBI.
  • The War on Drugs is heavily muted with Schmitt as President due to many of the Gravel liberalizations, however, there is attempts to fight crack and heroin, which is much more popular among White liberals because of course it is.
  • Schmitt does bang out a free trade agreement with Canada similar to OTL, with John Crosbie being elected PM in Canada.
  • As you can imagine, higher interest rates, anti union politics, and free trade heavily anger the economic left of the United States, who manage to nominate William J. Brown this time around with most Democrats supporting him as the strongest candidate.
  • Industrialist Jack Davis gets to be a Perot analogue, albeit a more conservative and libertarian leaning one, and he chooses Paul Simon to promote "bipartisan job-saving". Davis's campaign calls for lower taxes (claiming the Schmitt administration did not do enough on that front), a stronger dollar, and a much stronger America.
  • This is just libertarian trump.
  • Speaking of which, former Nebraska Governor John DeCamp jumps on the LaRouche train, becoming the official LaRouche backed candidate, which, as LaRouchism is becoming increasingly mainstream, allows him to gain a mainstream following and poll surprisingly high as he runs as an independent. DeCamp uses the Nader/Perot strategy of having write-in candidacies support him in the Democratic and Republican primaries, and gains more attention from it, even "winning" an uncontested Republican primary in Nebraska as a write-in.
  • The LaRouche movement and DeCamp campaign definitely use intimidation tactics and become increasingly violent despite maintaining popularity.
  • Schmitt is unpopular but holds his own against Brown, especially when the oil crisis ends in mid-1988, and the election goes to the house due to Democrats underperforming in the Northeast.
  • Davis wins Alaska and New Hampshire.
  • Violence begins to occur from multiple LaRouchist groups after the election, leading to calls for LaRoucheTV to be shut down, but, it is not because dudes are simply vibing too hard.
  • The narrowly-Republican senate votes to keep Paul Curran as VP, but the house fails to choose between Brown and Schmitt.
  • Curran attempts to portray himself as a nonpartisan figure, but fails to be seen as legitimate by many.
  • In 1989, a similar incident to the Rodney King assault occurs in New York City, causing riots and unrest across the city.
  • In unprecedented fashion, a "special presidential election" is proposed for 1991 via constitutional amendment, it is passed quite easily, but it causes only a minor time period for campaigning, and allows Curran to fully become president.
  • Similarly, an amendment supporting the end of the electoral college and it's replacement with a two-round system is able to pass with support from Curran despite opposition from many Southern states, but it passes too late and only applies for the 1992 election.
  • Syria-Iraq's federation falls apart horribly, causing a war that the United States intervenes in on the side of the Kurds.
  • Turkey is not happy and something probably happens there I don't know.
  • Curran picks former JCS chairman Glenn Morrell as his VP for B I P A R T I S A N R E A S O N S
  • Democrats and Republicans nominate Brown and Schmitt again, but both choose different running mates, with Brown choosing Jim Folsom Jr. and Schmitt choosing Fred Hemmings.
  • Yes, Davis runs again, but with Bill Brock as his running mate.
  • The LaRouchite ticket stays the same.
  • While Curran is still mildly popular, Schmitt isn't, as many now blame him for the stalling of the government since 1987 (the government shutdown), and he suffers a harsh loss, especially as Davis's popularity is now confined to libertarians.
  • Davis wins Montana.
  • Brown's win is basically pointless, and he ends up spending most of his presidency campaigning for re-election.
  • Winfield Dunn, one of the last popular Republicans left due to his post presidency moves for bipartisanship, gets pushed to run again, and ends up accepting the Republican nomination.
  • Davis is mega broke after his two campaigns, and his attempts to form a party fizzle out, so he instead, shockingly, endorses the increasingly insane Freedom Party, which is just the LaRouche movement.
  • With the electoral college gone, multiple new candidates enter the race, including famous radio activist Jerry Williams, Ron Paul, Meir Kahane, and many others, especially as ballot access is now entirely national.
  • Of these candidates, an "upper tier" is created. Generals George Lee Butler and John K. Singlaub run as two very different military candidates, with Singlaub running with support from the Freedom Party and Butler from various left wing movements. Dunn and Brown obviously make up another tier, as does Steve Forbes, running on a flat tax plan.
  • The craziest possible outcome happens, with a Butler vs Singlaub second round, however, Butler fails to truly gain any support from Democrats despite people fearing Singlaub and the LaRouche movement, and many worry that he's too left wing. While this is happening, Singlaub's campaign straight up openly does voter intimidation and ends up winning due to support from both hardcore conservatives and LaRouchists. This is largely due to Singlaub running up vote totals in the South and interior west.
  • As you may expect, the Singlaub administration does not go well, with a massive rise in tensions between the US and UK, show trials of political opponents, economic disaster, and political violence occur all the goddamn time.
  • This leads to a coup lead by Oliver North, who gets appointed by Singlaub to lead the JCS but ends up turning on him for power.
  • North's coup is nearly forced out by public revolt until he promises a constitutional convention, which occurs in 1996 after proper election of delegates.
  • The United States draws to a close.
  • Mike Gabbard gets to be the last VP of the United States for vibes.
Presidents of the United States:
Richard Nixon*/Spiro Agnew (Republican) 1969-1973
Spiro Agnew/
vacant (Republican) 1973-1973
Spiro Agnew*/Winfield Dunn
(Republican) 1973-1974
Winfield Dunn/
vacant (Republican) 1974-1975
Winfield Dunn/Henry Bellmon (Republican) 1975-1977

1968 Def. Hubert Humphrey/Ed Muskie (Democratic), George Wallace/Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
1972 Def. George McGovern/Abe Ribcoff (Democratic)

Mike Gravel/Reuben Askew (Democratic) 1977-1985
1976 Def. Robert D. Ray/Anne Armstrong (Republican), Roger Zion/C.R. Lewis (American Independent)
1980 Def. William Westmoreland/Donald Rumsfeld (Republican)
Harrison Schmitt/Paul Curran (Republican) 1985-1989
1984 Def. Reuben Askew/Mike Synar (Democratic), Pete DuPont/Paul Finely (Independent), Harlan Baker/Channing Philips (People's)
vacant/Paul Curran (Republican-Acting) 1989-1990
Paul Curran/vacant (Republican) 1990-1990
Paul Curran/
Glenn Morrell (Republican/Nonpartisan) 1990-1992

1988 Def. William J. Brown/Joe Purcell (Democratic), Harrison Schmitt/Paul Curran (Republican), Jack Davis/Paul Simon (Independent), John DeCamp/Janice Hart (Independent)
William J. Brown/Jim Folsom Jr. (Democratic) 1992-1993

1991 Def. Harrison Schmitt/Fred Hemmings, Jack Davis/Bill Brock (Independent), John DeCamp/Janice Hart (Freedom)
John K. Singlaub/Larry McDonald (Freedom) 1993-1995
1992 Def. (1st Rnd) George Lee Butler/Bernard Sanders (Citizens), William J. Brown/Jim Folsom Jr. (Democratic), Winfield Dunn/Alan Steelman (Republican), Steve Forbes/Bill Bradley (Flat Tax)
1992 Def. (2nd Rnd) George Lee Butler/Bernard Sanders (Citizens)
Oliver North/vacant (Nonpartisan) 1995-1996
Oliver North/Mike Gabbard (Nonpartisan) 1996-1997

Constitutional Convention of 1997 Occurs

I might do some lists for other countries later.
 

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This is a collection of increasingly stupid ideas:

Senators from California [Class 1]:
Dianne Feinstein (Democratic) 1993-1995
1992 Special Def. John F. Seymour (Republican)
Michael Huffington (Republican) 1995-2001

Michael Huffington (Independent) 2001-2007
1994 Def. Dianne Feinstein (Democratic), Elizabeth Barron (Peace & Freedom)
2000 Def. James Roosevelt (Democratic), William Dannemeyer (Republican), Media Benjamin (Green-Peace & Freedom)
Ron Gonzalez (Democratic) 2007-????
2006 Def. Doug Ose (Republican), Art Oliver (Libertarian), Mike Feinstein (Green-Peace & Freedom)
2012 Def. Peter Ueberroth (Republican), Gayle McLaughlin (Green-Peace & Freedom)
2018 Def. Phil Wyman (Republican), Luis Rodriguez (Green-Peace & Freedom)

Senators from California [Class 3]:
Barbara Boxer (Democratic) 1993-1999
1992 Def. Bruce Herschensohn (Republican)
Peter Ueberroth (Republican) 1999-2005

1998 Def. Barbra Boxer (Democratic)
Kathleen Connell (Democratic) 2005-????

2004 Def. Peter Ueberroth (Republican), David Cobb (Green-Peace & Freedom)
2010 Def. Darrell Issa (Republican), Stewart Alexander (Green-Peace & Freedom)
2016 Def. Ted Gaines (Republican), Barbara Bencel (Green-Peace & Freedom)

Governors of California:
Pete Wilson (Republican) 1991-1999

1990 Def. Dianne Feinstein (Democratic)
1994 Def. Kathleen Brown (Democratic)
Dianne Feinstein (Democratic) 1999-2005
Gray Davis (Democratic) 2005-2007

1998 Def. Dan Lungren (Republican), Kent Smith (Green-Peace & Freedom)
2002 Def. Bill Jones (Republican), Peter Camjeo (Green-Peace & Freedom)
Richard Riordan (Republican) 2007-2011
2006 Def. Gray Davis (Democratic), Dan Hamburg (Green-Peace & Freedom)
Jan Perry (Democratic) 2011-2019
2010 Def. Richard Riordan (Republican)
2014 Def. Steve Poizner (Republican), Dan Hamburg (Green-Peace & Freedom)
Nathan Fletcher (Democratic) 2019-????
2018 Def. Steve Poizner (Republican), Arianna Huffington (Independent)

Presidents of the United States:

Bill Clinton/Al Gore (Democratic) 1993-1997
1992 Def. George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle (Republican), Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Independent)
Fred Gandy/Carroll Campbell (Republican) 1997-2005
1996 Def. Bill Clinton/Al Gore (Democratic), Ross Perot/David Boren (Reform)
2000 Def. Jay Rockefeller/Cathrine Knoll (Democratic), Lowell Weicker/Nolan Ryan (Reform)
Dianne Feinstein/Roy Barnes (Democratic) 2005-2013
2004 Def. Carroll Campbell/Doug Forrester (Republican-Votes Scattered After Campbell's Death)
2008 Def. Bob Taft/Bill Paxton (Republican)
Tommy Franks/David McIntosh (Republican) 2013-????

2012 Def. Roy Barnes/Caroline Kennedy (Democratic)
2016 Def. Steven McGovern/Greg Stanton (Democratic), Herman Cain/Art Laffer (9-9-9)

Presidents of Russia:
Boris Yeltsin (Independent) 1991-1996
1991 Def. Nikolai Ryzkov (Communist), Vladimir Zhrinovsky (Liberal Democratic), Aman Tuleyev (Independent)
Gennady Zyugandov (Communist) 1996-1998
Vladimir Zhrinovsky (Liberal Democratic) 1998-1999

Sergey Shoyou (Independent) 1999-????
1996 Def. (2nd Rnd) Boris Yeltsin (Independent)
1999 Pres. Approval Referendum: 78% Yes, 21% No

2006 Pres. Approval Referendum: 89% Yes, 9% No
2013 Pres. Approval Referendum: 83% Yes, 16% No

Prime Ministers of Canada:
Kim Campbell (Progressive Conservative) 1993-1993
Jean Chrétien (Liberal minority with New Democratic confidence & supply) 1993-1995

1993 Def. Lucien Bouchard (Bloc Québécois), Kim Campbell (Progressive Conservative), Preston Manning (Reform), Audrey McLaughlin (New Democratic), Mel Hurtig (National)
1994 Quebec Independence Referendum: 51% Yes, 48% No
Kim Campbell (Progressive Conservative leading Progressive Conservative-Liberal "National Unity" Coalition) 1995-1997
1995 Def. Lucien Bouchard (Bloc Québécois), Kim Campbell (Progressive Conservative), Jean Crétien (Liberal), Preston Manning (Reform), Mel Hurtig (National), John Holm (New Democratic)
1996 2nd Quebec Independence Referendum: 53% Yes, 46% No
Preston Manning (Reform-National Coalition) 1997-2000
Preston Manning (Reform) 2000-2002
1997 Def. Preston Manning (Reform), Paul Martin (Liberal), Kim Campbell (Progressive Conservative), Mel Hurtig (National), John Holm (New Democratic)
2000 Def. Brian Tobin (Liberal), Brian Pallister (Progressive Conservative), Joe Comartin (New Democratic), John Nunziata (National)
Charles Beer (Liberal) 2002-2014
2002 Def. Preston Manning (Reform), Brian Pallister (Progressive Conservative), Charles Angus (New Democratic), John Nunziata (National)
2007 Def. Tom Long (Reform), Darren Praznik (Progressive Conservative), Charles Angus (New Democratic)
2009 Def. Darren Praznik (Progressive Conservative), Tom Long (Reform), Peggy Nash (New Democratic)
Gary Schellenberger (Progressive Conservative) 2014-????
2014 Def. Charles Beer (Liberal), Bert Brown (Reform), Peggy Nash (New Democratic)
 
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Thinking about how there were simultaneously plans to have a Trump/Flynn ticket and an attempt to put Evan McMullin in the White House if the election went to the house.

Presidents of the United States:
none
/Michael Flynn (Republican-Acting) 2017-2017

Evan McMullin/Michael Flynn (Independent/Republican) 2017-2019
Evan McMullin/
Michael Flynn (
Independent/National Justice) 2019-2020
none/Michael Flynn (National Justice-Acting Following Application of 25th Amendment[1]) 2020-2020
Evan McMullin/Michael Flynn[2] (Independent/National Justice) 2020-2020
Evan McMullin/
none (Independent) 2020-2020
Evan McMullin/
Cathy M. Rogers (Independent/Republican) 2020-2021
2016 Def. Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (Democratic), Donald Trump/Michael Flynn (Republican), Evan McMullin/Mindy Finn (Independent)
Bernie Sanders/Lisa Rochester (Democratic) 2021-2024

Lisa Rochester/none (Democratic) 2024-2024
Lisa Rochester/Jay Nixon (Democratic) 2024-2029
2020 Def. Paul Ryan/Cathy M. Rogers (Republican), Donald Trump/Jim Justice (National Justice), Tulsi Gabbard/Bill Maher (United)
2024 Def. Donald Trump/Jeff Sessions (National Justice), Marco Rubio/Mike Dewine (Republican)
Tom Cotton/Curtis Hill (United Right) 2029-????
2028 Def. Jay Nixon/Loree Sutton (Democratic)

This looks like a list that was made in 2016.

[1] McMuffin takes a trip to China at the wrong time
[2] Flynn is impeached over collusion with Turkey and being hated by Republicans.
 
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Thinking about how there were simultaneously plans to have a Trump/Flynn ticket and an attempt to put Evan McMullin in the White House if the election went to the house.

Presidents of the United States:
none
/Michael Flynn (Republican-Acting) 2017-2017

Evan McMullin/Michael Flynn (Independent/Republican) 2017-2019
Evan McMullin/
Michael Flynn (
Independent/National Justice) 2019-2020
none/Michael Flynn (National Justice-Acting Following Application of 25th Amendment[1]) 2020-2020
Evan McMullin/Michael Flynn[2] (Independent/National Justice) 2020-2020
Evan McMullin/
none (Independent) 2020-2020
Evan McMullin/
Cathy M. Rogers (Independent/Republican) 2020-2021
2016 Def. Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (Democratic), Donald Trump/Michael Flynn (Republican), Evan McMullin/Mindy Finn (Independent)
Bernie Sanders/Lisa Rochester (Democratic) 2021-2024

Lisa Rochester/none (Democratic) 2024-2024
Lisa Rochester/Jay Nixon (Democratic) 2024-2029
2020 Def. Paul Ryan/Cathy M. Rogers (Republican), Donald Trump/Jim Justice (National Justice), Tulsi Gabbard/Bill Maher (United)
2024 Def. Donald Trump/Jeff Sessions (National Justice), Marco Rubio/Mike Dewine (Republican)
Tom Cotton/Curtis Hill (United Right) 2029-????
2028 Def. Jay Nixon/Loree Sutton (Democratic)

This looks like a list that was made in 2016.
graham i gotta stop dming you my best ideas :mad:
 

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Had an insane idea where France and the US's two biggest anti-""""""""""""""Israel Lobby"""""""""""""""""" advocates got elected and the Cold War ends but after it comes a bunch of incredibly stupid neocolonial wars between a Franco-American-Libyan alliance and a Sino-Anglo-Israeli alliance.

Other Shit That Happens:
  • The Brits, who OTL were nervous about the idea of a united Germany begin to support Bevarian secessionist parties.
  • Canada and France have beef with Barre pulling a De Gaulle.
  • Brazil becomes an anti-imperialist leader with Quadros returning to power in 1989.
  • Simultaneously Brazil gets a UN security council seat.
  • Russia/The UIS/Whatever and Brazil are nonaligned powers.
  • The Gulf War never happens ITTL and Iraq and the US are better pals.
  • Biafran secessionism returns in full form.
  • American liberals continue to be pro-United Ireland, especially behind speaker Mario Biaggi's advocacy.

Presidents of the United States:
Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush (Republican) 1981-1985

1980 Def. Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democratic), John B. Anderson/Pat Lucey (Independent)
Walter Mondale/Jay Rockefeller (Democratic) 1985-1989
1984 Def. Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush (Republican)
Paul Findley/John Miller (Republican) 1989-1995[1]
John Miller/vacant (Republican) 1995-1995
John Miller/Brent Scowcroft (Republican) 1995-2001
1988 Def. Walter Mondale/Jay Rockefeller (Democratic), Lee Iaccoca/John Jay Hooker (Independent)
1992 Def. Dick Gephardt/Jo Ann Zimmerman (Democratic), Ed Koch/Peter Uberroth (United)
1996 Def. Mark Roosevelt/George McKelvey (Democratic), Al Mobley/Ron Paul (Conservative)

William Symington/Mike Hatch (Democratic) 2001-2009
2000 Def. Dan Lungren/Bobby Brantley (Republican)
2004 Def. Jean Stothert/Vic Gilliam (Republican)

Charles Larson/Noran Karras (Republican) 2009-2011
Charles Larson/Noran Karras (Democratic/Republican) 2011-2013
Charles Larson/Ana Hernandez (Democratic) 2013-2017

2008 Def. Mike Hatch/Doug Jamerson (Democratic), Cal Thomas/George Wallace Jr. (National)
2012 Def. Noran Karras/Jan Goldsmith (Republican)

Vic Gilliam/Ken Knuppe (Republican) 2017-????
2016 Def. Ana Hernandez/Robin Carnahan (Democratic)

Presidents of France:
François Mitterrand (PS) 1981-1988
1981 Def. Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (UDF), Jacques Chirac (RPR), Georges Marcais (PCF)
Raymond Barre (UDF) 1988-2002
1988 Def. François Mitterrand (PS), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN), Jacques Chirac (RPR), André Lajoinie (PCF)
1995 Def. Pierre Mauroy (PS), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN), Jacques Toubon (RPR), Arlette Laugiller (LO), Phillipe De Villers (MPF),
André Gerin (PCF)
Guy Drut (RPR) 2002-2005[2]
Bridgette Giardin (RPR) 2005-2006

2002 Def. François Léotard (UDF), Alain Richard (PS), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN), Arlette Laugiller (LO), Véronique Besse (MPF)
Jean-Pierre Chevènement (PS) 2006-????
2006 Def. Anne d'Orano (UDF), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN), Arlette Laugiller (LO), Bridgette Giardin (RPR)
2013 Def. Arlette Laugiller (LO), Jean Arthuis (UDF), Jean Tiberi (RPR), Marine Le Pen (FN), Philippe Séguin (IR), Esther Benbassa (EELV)



Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom:
Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) 1979-1988
Norman Tebbit (Conservative) 1988-1990

1979 Def. James Callahan (Labour), David Steel (Liberal)
1983 Def. Michael Foot (Labour), David Steel/Roy Jenkins (Alliance)
1987 Def*. Neil Kinnock (Labour), David Steel/David Owens (Alliance)

Cyril Smith (Liberal Democrat-Conservative coalition) 1990-1991
1990 Def. Neil Kinnock (Labour), Cyril Smith (Liberal Democrat), Norman Tebbit (Conservative), Alex Salmond (SNP-Orkney and Shetland Movement Alliance) David Owen ([Continued] SDP)
1991 Proportional Representation Ref: Yes 41%,
No 58%
Louise Ellman (Labour) 1991-2004
1991 Def. Cyril Smith (Liberal Democrat), Chris Patten (Conservative), Nigel Lawson (National), Alex Salmond (SNP-Orkney and Shetland Movement Alliance), David Owen (SDP), Dave Fields (Socialist)
1996 Def. Alex Carlie (Liberal Democrat), Jeremy Hanley (Conservative), Nigel Lawson (National), Alex Salmond (SNP-Orkney and Shetland Movement Alliance), John Cartwright (SDP), Daffyd Wigley (Plaid Cymru), Dave Fields (Socialist)

1999 Def. Nigel Lawson (National), David Alton (Liberal Democrat), Jeremy Hanley (Conservative), Alex Salmond (SNP-Orkney and Shetland Movement Alliance), Daffyd Wigley (Plaid Cymru), Dave Fields (Socialist), Christine Allerston (SDP)
Graham Watson (Liberal Democrat-Conservative-SNP-Orkney and Shetland Movement Alliance coalition) 2004-2006
Graham Watson (United-SNP-Orkney and Shetland Movement Alliance coalition) 2006-2007
Graham Watson (United) 2007-2009

2004 Def. Louise Ellman (Labour), Jeffrey Titford (National), Graham Watson (Liberal Democrat), Nicholas Scott (Conservative), Alex Salmond (SNP-Orkney and Shetland Movement Alliance), Michael Meacher (Progressive-Socialist Alliance), Dafydd Elis-Thomas (Plaid Cymru)
2005 Proportional Representation Ref: Yes 47%, No 52%
2005 Welsh Devolution Ref: Yes 82%, No 27%
2006 Scottish Independence Ref: Yes 51%, No 48%
2007 Def. Graham Stringer (Labour), Jeffery Titford (National), Dafydd Elis-Thomas (Plaid Cymru), Michael Meacher (Progressive-Socialist Alliance)

Graham Stringer (Labour) 2009-2014
2009 Def. Graham Watson (United), Craig Mackinlay (National), Alun Jones (Plaid Cymru)
Simon Hughes (United) 2014-????
2014 Def. Graham Stringer (Labour), Craig Mackinlay (National), Alun Jones (Plaid Cymru)


*The only changes before 1988 are Tebbit's wife staying safe, the Alliance coming in second in the popular vote in 1983, and the Orkney and Shetland Movement winning in 1987.

General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union:
Mikhail Gorbachev (CPSU) 1985-1991

Presidents of the United Independent States:
Mikhail Gorbachev (CPSU) 1991-1991
Mikhail Gorbachev (CPUIS) 1991-1991

Pavel Grachev (Independent) 1991-1998
1991 Def. Albert Makashov (Independent), Anatoly Lukyanov (CPUIS), Vladimir Zhirinovsky (LDPR)
Alexander Lebed (Force!) 1998-2005
1998 Def. Anatoly Lukyanov (CPUIS), Mikhail Kolesnikov (Independent-[Democrats]), Albert Makashov (National), Yury Vlasov (Christian Democratic), Vladimir Zhirinovsky (LDPR)
Dmitry Rogozin (Force!) 2005-2012
2005 Def. Anatoly Lukyanov (CPUIS), Yury Vlasov (Christian Democratic-[Democrats]), Albert Makashov (National), Sergei Atroshenko (RPP), Vladimir Zhirinovsky (LDPR)
Alexander Lebed (Force!) 2012-????
2012 Def. Georgy Razumovsky (CPUIS), Yury Chaika (Independent), Albert Makashov (National), Vladimir Zhirinovsky (LDPR)




[1] Killed by JDL
[2] Impeached over corruption
 

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Some wholesome OTL quotes/polls:

"They will tell you that a good and faithful Muslim can also be a good and faithful American. Sorry, but I don’t see how"
-John Andrews

"[Islam is a] totalitarian political and economic system, not subject to reformation, set forth in a holy book not subject to revision..."
-John Andrews

"If someone supported Nazi Germany at the expense of the United States, we didn’t say that was freedom of speech, we put him in a camp, they were prisoners of war.”
-Wesley Clark

“If these people are radicalized and they don’t support the United States and they are disloyal to the United States as a matter of principle, fine. It’s their right and it’s our right and obligation to segregate them from the normal community for the duration of the conflict.”
-Wesley Clark

"A poll conducted shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, echoes this line of argument when it found that about one-third of Americans thought it was acceptable to detain Arab Americans in camps reminiscent of the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II.[37] A 2004 poll by Pew Research Center found that almost half of Americans were willing to exchange certain civil liberties for the cause of national security.[38]"
-Wikipedia



 
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Nyvis

Token Marxist
Location
Paris
Pronouns
She/Her
Presidents of France:
François Mitterrand (PS) 1981-1988
1981 Def. Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (UDF), Jacques Chirac (RPR), Georges Marcais (PCF)
Raymond Barre (UDF) 1988-2002
1988 Def. François Mitterrand (PS), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN), Jacques Chirac (RPR), André Lajoinie (PCF)
1995 Def. Pierre Mauroy (PS), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN), Jacques Toubon (RPR), Arlette Laugiller (LO), Phillipe De Villers (MPF),
André Gerin (PCF)
Guy Drut (RPR) 2002-2005[2]
Bridgette Giardin (RPR) 2005-2006

2002 Def. François Léotard (UDF), Alain Richard (PS), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN), Arlette Laugiller (LO), Véronique Besse (MPF)
Jean-Pierre Chevènement (PS) 2006-????
2006 Def. Anne d'Orano (UDF), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN), Arlette Laugiller (LO), Bridgette Giardin (RPR)
2013 Def. Arlette Laugiller (LO), Jean Arthuis (UDF), Jean Tiberi (RPR), Marine Le Pen (FN), Philippe Séguin (IR), Esther Benbassa (EELV)
Nice to see some French politics, even if it is quite awful.

Might be worth highlighting who got into the second round, that tend to matter a lot in French elections.
 
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