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GrayCatbird42

"Network" is a good movie
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Philadelphia
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He/him
#81
Very nice. I love the conceit of telling the story of this alternate post-Cold War world through Time magazine Person of the Year selections, especially your inclusion of "The American Soldier" and "The Student"; Time still does gimmicky Person of the Year selections ITTL as well I see.

Also Joe Lieberman finally bit the bullet and became a Republican.
 
#82
Very nice. I love the conceit of telling the story of this alternate post-Cold War world through Time magazine Person of the Year selections, especially your inclusion of "The American Soldier" and "The Student"; Time still does gimmicky Person of the Year selections ITTL as well I see.

Also Joe Lieberman finally bit the bullet and became a Republican.
he got added to dole’s cabinet during the reshuffling and after pritt’s nomination he finally decided to just leave
 
#84
Presidents of the United States:
Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Spiro Agnew* (R-MD) 1969-1974
Richard Nixon* (R-CA)/Ray Bliss (R-OH) 1974-1975
Ray Bliss (R-OH)/Howard Baker (R-TN) 1975-1977

1968 Def. Eugene McCarthy (D-MN)/John Connally (D-TX) George Wallace (AI-AL)/Ezra Taft Benson (AI-UT)
1972 Def. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)/Terry Sanford (D-NC)

Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)/Parren Mitchell (D-MD) 1977-1977
Parren Mitchell (D-MD)/Dale Bumpers (D-AR) 1977-1981

Def. Ray Bliss (R-OH)/Howard Baker (R-TN)
G. Gordon Liddy (R-NY)/Bill Brock (R-TN) 1981-1989
1980 Def. Parren Mitchell (D-MD)/Dale Bumpers (D-AR) Charles Mathias (I-MD)/Walter Cronkite (I-MO)
1984 Def. Max Baucus (D-MT)/Hugh Carey (D-NY) Norman Hill (IF-NJ)/Ron Dellums (IF-CA)

1988 Cand. G. Gordon Liddy (R-NY)/Bill Brock (R-TN), George Wallace (D-AL)/John Kerry (D-MA), Buckshot Hoffner (A-ND)/Dave Frederickson (A-MN), Barry Goldwater Jr. (C-CA)/Ron Paul (C-TX)
Al Haig (UfA-DC) 1989-1990


Speaker-General of the Free American Republic:
Al Haig (Unite for America) 1990-1991

George Wallace (Democratic/General Alliance) 1991-1993
Def. Norman Hill (Social Democracy) Richard Bryan (Populist) Christopher Buckley (Conservative) Dave Frederickson (New NPL) Pat Buchanan (Revival!) Angela Davis (CCDS)
Norman Hill (Social Democracy-New NPL-CCDS Coalition) 1993-1997
Def. George Wallace (Democratic) Richard Bryan (Populist) Dave Frederickson (New NPL) Christopher Buckley (Conservative-Revival! Alliance) Lowell Weicker (Liberal) Angela Davis (CCDS)
Ross Perot (Perot for America) 1997-2007
1997 Def. Norman Hill (Social Democracy) Sam Nunn (Democratic) Dave Frederickson (New NPL) Richard Bryan (Populist) Howard Phillips (Alliance) Lowell Weicker (Liberal) Angela Davis (CCDS)
1999 Def. Bernie Sanders (Left Unity[1]) Jim Folsom Jr. (Democratic-Populist) Howard Phillips (Alliance) Larry Pressler (Liberal) Angela Davis (CCDS)

2004 Def. Sandra Feldman (Left Unity) Jim Folsom Jr. (Democratic-Populist) Randy Tate (Alliance) Paul Tsongas (Liberal) Angela Davis (CCDS) Lyndon LaRouche (Democracy Now)
Jim Folsom Jr. (Democratic-Populist) 2007-2009
Def. Sandra Feldman (Left Unity) Ralph Reed (Alliance) Dick Lamm (Freedom) Marcy Kaptur (People’s) Paul Tsongas (Liberal) Angela Davis (CCDS) Lyndon LaRouche (Democracy Now)
Harlan Baker (Left Unity/People’s Coalition) 2009-2012
Harlan Baker (Left Unity) 2012-2017
2009 Def. Jim Folsom Jr. (Democratic-Populist) Ralph Reed (Alliance) Dick Lamm (Freedom-Liberal) Marcy Kaptur (People’s) Angela Davis (CCDS) Lyndon LaRouche (Democracy Now)
2012 Def. Ralph Reed (Alliance) Jennifer Granholm (Democratic-Populist) Gary Johnson (Freedom-Liberal) Marcy Kaptur (People’s) John Bachtell (CCDS) Lyndon LaRouche (Democracy Now)

Tony Perkins (Alliance) 2017-????
Def. Harlan Baker (Left Unity) John Kennedy (Democratic-Populist) Gary Johnson (Freedom-Liberal) John Bachtell (CCDS) Dennis Kucinich (People’s) Lyndon LaRouche (Democracy Now)
 
#88
Neoliberal Consensuses Never Last:


Presidents of the United States:


Al Gore (Democratic)/Bob Kerrey (Democratic) 1993-2001
1992 Def. George Bush/Dan Quayle (Republican) Ross Perot/John Silber (Independent)
1996 Def. Mitch McConnell/Pete Wilson (Republican) Ross Perot/Lowell Weicker (Reform)

Colin Powell/John Engler (Republican [endorsed by Perotist Reform]) 2001-2005
Colin Powell/John Engler (Republican) 2005-2009

2000 Def. Dave McCurdy/Bob Graham (Democratic [Weickerist Reform]) Al Sharpton/Jerry Brown (Green) Bob Smith/Charles Smith (Constitution)
2004 Def. Don Beyer/Leon Panetta (Democratic) Bill Bradley/Steve Forbes (Flat Tax) George Lee Butler/Jim Hightower (Green) Fred Phelps/Howard Phillips (Independent Democrat/Constitution)
Evan Bayh/Chet Edwards (Democratic) 2009-2013
Def. Wesley Clark/Chuck Hagel (Republican) Paul Hawken/Howie Hawkins (Green) Joe Lieberman/Robert Wexler (America for Lieberman)
John Mackey/Michael Badnarik (Libertarian) 2013-2017
Def. Evan Bayh/Chet Edwards (Democratic) Bill McKibben/Richard Carroll (Green) Charlie Crist/Mitch Daniels (“United” Republican) John Arpaio/Steve King (“National” Republican)
Harlan Baker/Jesse Johnson (Green) 2017-2021
Def. John Mackey/Michael Badnarik (Libertarian) Chet Edwards/Tom Carper (Democratic) Steve Lonegan/Todd Palin (Conservative) Jeb Bush/Doug Ose (Republican)
Michael Flynn/Ted Leonsis (Unity) 2021-2029
2020 Def. Harlan Baker/Jesse Johnson (Green [endorsed by Independent Democrats]) Art Oliver/Finlay Rothhaus (Libertarian) Merrill Cook/Eni Faleomavaega (Mormon Advocacy) Ray LaHood/Ray Metcalfe (Independent Republican) Bill Maher/Dennis Miller (EPIC) Tom Metzger/Shawn O’Hara (Third Way)
2024 Def. Constance Johnson/Dean Myerson (Green) Max Abramson/Evan McMullin (Opposition)

Mayors of New York:
Rudy Guliani (Republican) 1994-1998

Def. (with Liberal support) David Dinkins (Democratic)
Al Sharpton (Democratic) 1998-1999
Al Sharpton (Green) 1999-2002
1997 Def. (with Liberal support) Rudy Guliani (Republican)
2001 Def. (with Democratic & Independence support) Floyd Flake (Republican)

Mary Jo White (Independence) 2002-2006
Def. (with Republican support) Michael Baisden (Green) Anthony Weiner (Democratic)
Robert Kennedy Jr. (Democratic) 2006-2010
Def. Mary Jo White (Independence) Brian Jones (Green)
Brad Lander (Green) 2010-2018
2009 Def. Richard Parsons (Republican) Robert Kennedy Jr. (Democratic) Jonny Porkpie (Libertarian) Christopher Hoeppner (Socialist Workers)
2013 Def. Floyd Flake (Democratic)

Jabari Brisport (Green) 2018-2022
Def. Richard Parsons (Republican)
Bo Deitl (Unity) 2022-????
Def. (with Republican, Democratic, & Independence support) Jabari Brisport (Green)
 

Burton K Wheeler

The Goat That Can't Be Got
Location
Tr'ondëk
#90
Presidents of the United States:
Tom Harkin (D-IA)/Bob Graham (D-FL) 1993-2001

1992 Def. George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) Ross Perot (I-TX)/Jerry Brown (I-CA)
1996 Def. Dan Quayle* (R-IN)/Elizabeth Dole (R-KS) Ross Perot (R-TX)/Marcy Kaptur (R-OH)

Elizabeth Dole (R-KS)/Ernie Istook (R-OK) 2001-2009
2000 Def. Bob Graham (D-FL)/Jim Hightower (D-TX) Tom Golisano (R-NY)/Tim Penny (R-MN)
2004 Def. Mike Ross (D-AR)/Andrew Stein (D-NY) Charlie Dent (R-PA)/Peter Ueberroth (R-CA)

Charlotte Pritt (D-WV)/Bill Yellowtail (D-MT) 2009-2017
2008 Def. David Frohnmayer (R-OR)/Haley Barbour (R-MS) Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)/Mark McKinnon (R-TX)
2012 Def. Joe Lieberman (R-CT)/Thayer Verschoor (R-AZ) Nancy Argenziano (R-FL)/Sherry Huber (R-ME)

Stanley McChrystal (R-VA)/Josh Penry (R-CO) 2017-????
2016 Def. Bill Yellowtail (D-MT)/Sherrod Brown (D-OH) Rob Sobhani (R-MD)/Steve Poizner (R-CA)
I would normally be a big fan of any TL that mentions Bill Yellowtail as a national political figure but as this President list is a weird intersection of things I am personally connected to I should point out that as far as I know McChrystal being a Democrat wasn't a Bush-era thing but his lifelong political affiliation.
 
#92
I would normally be a big fan of any TL that mentions Bill Yellowtail as a national political figure but as this President list is a weird intersection of things I am personally connected to I should point out that as far as I know McChrystal being a Democrat wasn't a Bush-era thing but his lifelong political affiliation.
yeah but i’m using him as a sort of birth of a new day (SHOUTOUT THE 2814 ALBUM) for republicans candidate, but if it’s too unrealistic i’ll replace him with ray metcalfe
 

Burton K Wheeler

The Goat That Can't Be Got
Location
Tr'ondëk
#93
posting a presidents descriptor later tonight probably

i live in portland homedog
I just want to talk about Olympia, okay?


yeah but i’m using him as a sort of birth of a new day (SHOUTOUT THE 2814 ALBUM) for republicans candidate, but if it’s too unrealistic i’ll replace him with ray metcalfe
Like a Colin Powell, but more up to date? I like the idea but you'd probably have guys having alternate military careers if politics are this different. If you want someone super hip you pick a guy who OTL didn't make a big splash in the Army.

Charles Swannack is a good candidate if you want a square-jawed white general-looking dude. OTL his Army career ended because he was fucking a captain attached to division headquarters while we were in Iraq, but he tried to spin that into a political career OTL and I can see him running for President if things work out well for him. Swannack got commissioned in 1979 and McChrystal in 1976. He's not an intellectual type like the celebrity generals of the OTL late 2000's (McChrystal, Mattis, Petraeus) were, but if the circumstances would have been right for a more simple armyarmyarmy guy like him to get famous in the mid/late 2000's, he could have run for President.

If you want to get deep into hipsterdom, say Harry Tunnell ran for President. He's an egghead like McChrystal and also looks like an Army general from central casting should look (unlike skinny PhDs like Petraeus and Mattis). In OTL his career spectacularly foundered on a rock in 2010 and he never got his star. Like Swannack, he got very political and burned a lot of bridges in his own defense. I think he was commissioned in 1988, so to run for President in 2016 he would probably have to have gotten out as a colonel as per OTL, but you could probably pitch someone with his attitude as the right man for the job if circumstances had turned out more in his favor. Tunnell is more of a Flynn/McMaster type of genius iconoclast within the Army than a Swannack-type of super-establishment figure.

You could also say Lloyd Austin as a four-star super establishment type (and also black). Austin isn't someone I can picture running for President with the personality and attitude he has, but maybe he happens to be in command of something important during a high-profile event and the Republicans draft him the way they did Eisenhower.

I have no idea if any of these guys are actually Republicans, but Swannack looks like one and your alt-Tunnell would run as one because he's disenchanted with the Democratic administration.
 
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#95
Ronald Reagan (Republican) 1981-1989
George H.W Bush (Republican) 1989-1993

Def. (with Dan Quayle) Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
Dick Lamm (Democratic) 1993-1997

Dick Lamm (National Union) 1997-1998
Dick Lamm (Constitutional Convention ‘99) 1998-1999

Dick Lamm (Independent) 1999-2000
Dick Lamm (Progressive Freedom) 2000-2009

1992 Def. (with John Breaux) George H.W. Bush (Republican) Richard Stallings (Democrats for Life)
1996 Def. (with Arlen Specter) Pat Buchanan (Republican) Morry Taylor (Freedom) Jule Sugarman (Grey Panthers)
2000 2nd Rnd Def. James Griffin (Unity)
2004 2nd Rnd Def. Herschel Walker (Republican)
Cofer Black (American) 2009-2013
2008 2nd Rnd Def. Ralph Abernathy III (Progressive Freedom)
Bob Conley (Progressive Freedom) 2013-????
2012 2nd Rnd Def. Cofer Black (American)
2016 2nd Rnd Def. Bernie Sanders (Grey Panthers)

“We've got a duty to die and get out of the way with all of our machines and artificial hearts and everything else like that and let the other society, our kids, build a reasonable life.”
-Dick Lamm

“I believe we all must face the fact of death. It is both gift and curse.”
-Dick Lamm

“You know, 600,000 millionaires get a Social Security check every month. I think there's enough waste and inefficiency.”
-Dick Lamm

“Why give chemotherapy or even antibiotics to people with end-stage Alzheimer's disease? Keep them pain free and clean, love them but don't automatically try to get the last technology-produced breath from them. Start a preschool program instead or do something about the atrocious state of obesity in our children.”
-Dick Lamm

“In 1960, only sixteen million Americans did not trace their ancestors to Europe. Today, the number is eighty million. No nation has ever undergone so rapid and radical a transformation.”
-Pat Buchanan

“While world population had doubled to six billion in forty years, the European peoples had stopped reproducing. Their populations had begun to stagnate and, in many countries, had already begun to fall. Of Europe's forty-seven nations, only one, Muslim Albania, was, by 2000, maintaining a birthrate sufficient to keep it alive indefinitely“
-Pat Buchanan
“There's nothing wrong with being an anarchist.”
-Jerry Brown

“If the troubles from environmentalists cannot be solved in the jury box or at the ballot box, perhaps the cartridge box should be used.”
-James G. Watt

“That person has to be accountable for himself. I think that's what we have to do in society today is to be accountable for yourself. I think we have the tendency to always want to live someone else's life.”
-Herschel Walker

“We operate under the law. Covert action authorities are communicated in a memorandum of notification.”
-Cofer Black

“In World War II, if someone supported Nazi Germany at the expense of the United States, we didn’t say that was freedom of speech, we put them in a camp, they were prisoners of war,”
-Wesley Clark

“If these people are radicalized and they don’t support the United States and they are disloyal to the United States as a matter of principle, fine. It’s their right and it’s our right and obligation to segregate them from the normal community for the duration of the conflict.”
-Wesley Clark