AndrewH's Test Thread

[aurinoko]

Presidents of the United States:
1961 - 1965: Thruston B. Morton (Republican)
1965 - 1973: Philip Hart (Democratic)
1973 - 1981: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1981 - 1982: Daniel Inouye (Democratic)
1982 - 1985: Richard Helms (Independent)
1985 - 1990: Oliver North (Republican)
1990 - 1993: C. Everett Koop (Republican)
1993 - 2001: Alexander Haig (Republican)
2001 - 2005:
2005 - 2013:
2013 - 2017:
2017 - present:

 

[Skaven]

Was going to do Bill Ayers, but saw that Hart was in power when Hampton was assassinated OTL so butterflied it, hope that's ok.

1961 - 1965: Thruston B. Morton (Republican)
1965 - 1973: Philip Hart (Democratic)
1973 - 1981: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1981 - 1982: Daniel Inouye (Democratic)
1982 - 1985: Richard Helms (Independent)
1985 - 1990: Oliver North (Republican)
1990 - 1993: C. Everett Koop (Republican)
1993 - 2001: Alexander Haig (Republican)
2001 - 2005: Fred Hampton (Emancipatory Peoples Congress)
2005 - 2013:
2013 - 2017:
2017 - present:

 

[Steve Brinson]

1961 - 1965: Thruston B. Morton (Republican)
1965 - 1973: Philip Hart (Democratic)
1973 - 1981: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1981 - 1982: Daniel Inouye (Democratic)
1982 - 1985: Richard Helms (Independent)
1985 - 1990: Oliver North (Republican)
1990 - 1993: C. Everett Koop (Republican)
1993 - 2001: Alexander Haig (Republican)
2001 - 2005: Fred Hampton (Emancipatory Peoples Congress)
2005 - 2013: Betsy DeVos (Republican)
2013 - 2017:
2017 - present:

 

[Skaven]

1961 - 1965: Thruston B. Morton (Republican)
1965 - 1973: Philip Hart (Democratic)
1973 - 1981: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1981 - 1982: Daniel Inouye (Democratic)
1982 - 1985: Richard Helms (Independent)
1985 - 1990: Oliver North (Republican)
1990 - 1993: C. Everett Koop (Republican)
1993 - 2001: Alexander Haig (Republican)
2001 - 2005: Fred Hampton (Emancipatory Peoples Congress)
2005 - 2013: Betsy DeVos (Republican)
2013 - 2017:
2017 - present:

Not really what I was going for but ok.

 

[Steve Brinson]

Not really what I was going for but ok.

I sort of imagined a transformative third-party campaign being hit by a wave of suburban Anglo reaction, but possibly surviving under the surface (perhaps with a Hampton non-consecutive second term?). That said, if you want I can delete.

 

[Skaven]

I sort of imagined a transformative third-party campaign being hit by a wave of suburban Anglo reaction, but possibly surviving under the surface (perhaps with a Hampton non-consecutive second term?). That said, if you want I can delete.

Eh, my idea was more of Hampton being a Mandela figure with a similar transfer of power, but don't delete, I'm sure we can work with this. The soft dictatorship reasserting itself is a nice twist, anyway.

 

[Bene Tleilax]

1961 - 1965: Thruston B. Morton (Republican)
1965 - 1973: Philip Hart (Democratic)
1973 - 1981: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1981 - 1982: Daniel Inouye (Democratic)
1982 - 1985: Richard Helms (Independent)
1985 - 1990: Oliver North (Republican)
1990 - 1993: C. Everett Koop (Republican)
1993 - 2001: Alexander Haig (Republican)
2001 - 2005: Fred Hampton (Emancipatory Peoples Congress)
2005 - 2013: Betsy DeVos (Republican)
2013 - 2017: Bernie Sanders (People's Democrat)
2017 - present:

 

[Yokai Man]

1961 - 1965: Thruston B. Morton (Republican)
1965 - 1973: Philip Hart (Democratic)
1973 - 1981: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1981 - 1982: Daniel Inouye (Democratic)
1982 - 1985: Richard Helms (Independent)
1985 - 1990: Oliver North (Republican)
1990 - 1993: C. Everett Koop (Republican)
1993 - 2001: Alexander Haig (Republican)
2001 - 2005: Fred Hampton (Emancipatory Peoples Congress)
2005 - 2013: Betsy DeVos (Republican)
2013 - 2017: Bernie Sanders (People's Democrat)
2017 - present: Ben Carson (Christian Democrat)

 

[AndrewH]

1961 - 1965: Thruston B. Morton (Republican)
1965 - 1973: Philip Hart (Democratic)
1973 - 1981: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1981 - 1982: Daniel Inouye (Democratic)
1982 - 1985: Richard Helms (Independent)
1985 - 1990: Oliver North (Republican)
1990 - 1993: C. Everett Koop (Republican)
1993 - 2001: Alexander Haig (Republican)
2001 - 2005: Fred Hampton (Emancipatory Peoples Congress)
2005 - 2013: Betsy DeVos (Republican)
2013 - 2017: Bernie Sanders (People's Democrat)
2017 - present: Ben Carson (Christian Democrat)

[EYE TWITCHES]

 

[Yokai Man]

[EYE TWITCHES]

I’m sorry

I don’t know why I did that

I just wondered about an alternative version of Ben Carson that is still religious,but less conservative and basically Jimmy Carter ideologically and thought it would be an interesting thing to do

If you want,I can replace him

 

[Skaven]

I’m sorry

I don’t know why I did that

I just wondered about an alternative version of Ben Carson that is still religious,but less conservative and basically Jimmy Carter ideologically and thought it would be an interesting thing to do

If you want,I can replace him

It is a rather odd ending. There's a series of swings back and forth between socialists and CIA affiliated right wingers, and then suddenly Jimmy Carter as Ben Carson.

 

[AndrewH]

I’m sorry

I don’t know why I did that

I just wondered about an alternative version of Ben Carson that is still religious,but less conservative and basically Jimmy Carter ideologically

If you want,I can replace him

No, you’re fine, I’m just annoyed about the direction of the list since I went to sleep.

I’ve said before (I think on the Other Place) that I’m going to stop doing these because every time I do it I feel like a priss when the finished list is something I don’t want to write about, but every time I keep coming back because I had a lot of fun with it in the past. I was really excited about the direction of the list up until Helms, I had started writing stuff about Inouye’s scandal of the century, researching what Goldwater was up to after ‘64, it was all good, and now it looks identical to about a thousand other “American dictatorship” lists that aren’t really my thing.

I also don’t like doing this because I don’t want to put guidelines and restrict people, and I feel like I’m starting to sound like I’m whining about everything and anything. So I’m just done with this sort of thing, I think.

 

[Yokai Man]

It is a rather odd ending. There's a series of swings back and forth between socialists and CIA affiliated right wingers, and then suddenly Jimmy Carter as Ben Carson.

I sorta imagined him as someone America would choose as a compromise after starting to get fed up with various political extremes over the years

Don’t know why him tho,it just entered into my head as an idea

No, you’re fine, I’m just annoyed about the direction of the list since I went to sleep.

I’ve said before (I think on the Other Place) that I’m going to stop doing these because every time I do it I feel like a priss when the finished list is something I don’t want to write about, but every time I keep coming back because I had a lot of fun with it in the past. I was really excited about the direction of the list up until Helms, I had started writing stuff about Inouye’s scandal of the century, researching what Goldwater was up to after ‘64, it was all good, and now it looks identical to about a thousand other “American dictatorship” lists that aren’t really my thing.

I also don’t like doing this because I don’t want to put guidelines and restrict people, and I feel like I’m starting to sound like I’m whining about everything and anything. So I’m just done with this sort of thing, I think.

Understandable.

Have you considered doing collab lists with certain people instead? I think that might give you the opportunity to write what you want more freely.

 

[Steve Brinson]

I was really excited about the direction of the list up until Helms, I had started writing stuff about Inouye’s scandal of the century, researching what Goldwater was up to after ‘64, it was all good, and now it looks identical to about a thousand other “American dictatorship” lists that aren’t really my thing.

Maybe you should write what you had but revise everything after Inouye? I don’t know, I don’t want to tell you what to do but if you found inspiration in the first part don’t let our bullshit keep you from it.

 

[AndrewH]

Maybe you should write what you had but revise everything after Inouye? I don’t know, I don’t want to tell you what to do but if you found inspiration in the first part don’t let our bullshit keep you from it.

I’m thinking about doing that or just erasing off everything after Inouye and letting people fill in the blanks again. Goldwater is someone who doesn’t get used enough imo (even with Reagan and Nixon in the race there was still a huge demand for him to run again in ‘68 from Republican activists) - I’ve been having a bit of a rough week, so I am sorry if I sounded uptight earlier.

 

[Beata Beatrix]

I’m thinking about doing that or just erasing off everything after Inouye and letting people fill in the blanks again. Goldwater is someone who doesn’t get used enough imo (even with Reagan and Nixon in the race there was still a huge demand for him to run again in ‘68 from Republican activists) - I’ve been having a bit of a rough week, so I am sorry if I sounded uptight earlier.

I would love to learn a bit more about Goldwater ‘68. Sources?

 

[AndrewH]

I would love to learn a bit more about Goldwater ‘68. Sources?

Most of what I remember comes from Rick Perlstein’s Nixonland, there might be a bit about it in his book about Goldwater - IIRC Clif White and the YAF sent feelers out to Goldwater before latching onto Reagan, and Ronnie used Goldwater as a prop to outmaneuver Nixon from the right (he brought Barry out to deliver a speech before the RNC, and before he could even say a word, the entire convention broke out in delirious screams of “We Want Barry!”).

The activist army Goldwater built was pretty instrumental in getting Nixon the nomination, as almost everybody who worked for Goldwater in ‘64 went on to work for Nixon in ‘68.

 

[AndrewH]

Re-reading that Goldwater book brought to my attention the fact that Robert Taft wanted Clarence Manion, dean of the Notre Dame law school, architect behind Goldwater’s eventual rise to national prominence and a former New Deal Democrat and later hardcore conservative who left the party over World War Two, as his Attorney General and recommended him to Eisenhower when he was making his Cabinet.

@Japhy, since I know you’re interested about Taft - what do you think his Cabinet would’ve looked like if he won the Presidency in ‘52?

 

[AndrewH]

1957 - 1961: Dwight Eisenhower / Robert Anderson (Republican)
1961 - 1965: Thruston B. Morton / Gerald Ford (Republican)
defeated, 1960: John F. Kennedy / Stuart Symington (Democratic)
1965 - 1973: Philip Hart / Edmund Muskie (Democratic)
defeated, 1964: Thurston B. Morton / Gerald Ford (Republican), Orval Faubus / I. Beverly Lake (States' Rights)
defeated, 1968: Gerald Ford / John Hoellen (Republican), Orval Faubus / W.J.B. Dorn (Patriot)
1973 - 1981: Barry Goldwater / Dan Kuykendall (Republican)
defeated, 1972: Hubert Humphrey / Ellis Arnall (Democratic)
defeated, 1976: Hubert Humphrey / Wes Uhlman (Democratic)
1981 - 1982: Daniel Inouye / Brendan Byrne (Democratic)
defeated, 1980: George H.W. Bush / Caspar Weinberger (Republican)
1982 - 1985: Brendan Byrne / John Melcher (Democratic)
1985 - 1989: Caspar Weinberger / Mickey Edwards (Republican)
defeated, 1984: Henry Howell / Barbara Ackermann (Democratic)
1989 - 1997: Andrew Young / Jim Hunt (Democratic)
defeated, 1988: Caspar Weinberger / Mickey Edwards (Republican), Lee Iacocca / various (Independent)
defeated, 1992: John Ashcroft / David H. Leroy (Republican)
1997 - 2005: Barry Goldwater, Jr. / Evan Galbraith (Republican)
defeated, 1996: Norm Coleman / Bruce Babbitt (Democratic)
defeated, 2000: Bruce Babbitt / Dave McCurdy (Democratic)
2005 - 2009: Jane Harman / Allyson Schwartz (Democratic)
defeated, 2004: Zell Miller / Greg Ganske (Republican)
2009 - 2013: Mitt Romney / Trent Franks (Republican)
defeated, 2008: Jane Harman / Allyson Schwartz (Democratic)
2013 - present: Sherrod Brown / Ruth Messinger (Democratic)
defeated, 2012: Paul LePage / Mark Levin (Republican), Lloyd Blankfein / Susan Collins (Better for America)
defeated, 2016: Nikki Haley / Tim Pawlenty (Republican)

 

[AndrewH]

1865 - 1869: Andrew Johnson / vacant (Democratic)
1869 - 1871: Edwin Stanton / Ben Wade (Republican)
defeated, 1868: Thomas Hendricks / Asa Packer (Democratic)
1871 - 1877: Ben Wade / Henry J. Raymond (Republican)
defeated, 1872: Thomas Hendricks / Charles Chauncey Burr (Democratic)
1877 - 1881: Samuel Freeman Miller / Jay Cooke (Republican)
defeated, 1876: Lewis Ross / William Whyte (Democratic)
1881 - 1885: John M. Palmer / William Evarts (Democratic)
defeated, 1880: Samuel Freeman Miller / Jay Cooke (Democratic), Brick Pomeroy / Richard Trevellick (Anti-Monopolist)
1885 - 1893: J. Donald Cameron / Walter Gresham (Republican)
defeated, 1884: John M. Palmer / William Evarts (Democratic)
defeated, 1888: James B. Weaver / Michael P. Walsh (People’s), Thomas F. Bayard / Marshall Champlain (Democratic)
1893 - 1894: Henry Flagler / William W. Phelps (National Union)
defeated, 1892: James B. Weaver / Henry Teller (Republican)
1894 - 1897: Henry Flagler / vacant (National Union)
1897 - 1901: Henry Flagler / John C. Spooner (National Union)
defeated, 1896: James B. Weaver / George Edmunds (Republican), Ben Tillman / Murphy Foster (‘Regular’ Democratic)
1901 - 1905: Rufus Peckham / Henry Watterson (Democratic)
defeated, 1900: Robert Hitt / Tom L. Johnson (Republican), Henry Flagler / various (National Union)
1905 - present: Bob La Follette / Martin M. Crane (Republican-Farmer-Labor)
defeated, 1904: Rufus Peckham / Henry Watterson (Democratic)