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AH Cooperative Lists Thread

Lord Protectors of Great Britain after WW3(29 October 1962-8 February 1963)

1963-1972: Sir Richard Hull

1972-1986: Sir Walter Walker

1986-1986: Sir Julian Thompson

1986-1996:

1996-2006:

2006-2006:

2006-2016:

2016-present day:
 

Time Enough

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Lord Protectors of Great Britain after WW3 (29 October 1962-8 February 1963)

1963-1972: Sir Richard Hull

1972-1986: Sir Walter Walker

1986-1986: Sir Julian Thompson

1986-1996: Roy Hattersley-Social Democracy

1996-2006: Lord John Attlee-National Union

2006-2006:

2006-2016:

2016-present day:
 

neonduke

Inspector Paolo Germi
Lord Protectors of Great Britain after WW3 (29 October 1962-8 February 1963)

1963-1972: Sir Richard Hull

1972-1986: Sir Walter Walker

1986-1986: Sir Julian Thompson

1986-1996: Roy Hattersley-Social Democracy

1996-2006: Lord John Attlee-National Union

2006-2006: Donny Gluckstein - Unified Trades League

2006-2016:

2016-present day:
 

Time Enough

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Lord Protectors of Great Britain after WW3 (29 October 1962-8 February 1963)

1963-1972: Sir Richard Hull

1972-1986: Sir Walter Walker

1986-1986: Sir Julian Thompson

1986-1996: Roy Hattersley-Social Democracy

1996-2006: Lord John Attlee-National Union

2006-2006: Donny Gluckstein - Unified Trades League

2006-2016: Raymond Jolliffe-National Liberal

2016-present day:
 

Yokai Man

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Lord Protectors of Great Britain after WW3 (29 October 1962-8 February 1963)

1963-1972: Sir Richard Hull

1972-1986: Sir Walter Walker

1986-1986: Sir Julian Thompson

1986-1996: Roy Hattersley-Social Democracy

1996-2006: Lord John Attlee-National Union

2006-2006: Donny Gluckstein - Unified Trades League

2006-2016: Raymond Jolliffe-National Liberal

2016-present day:William Hague-Unified Trades League
 

Time Enough

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Presidents of Post-Apartheid South Africa

1994-1996: Nelson Mandela (ANC) † [Assassinated]
1996: Thabo Mbeki (ANC) [Interim]
1996-2001: Joe Modise (ANC-Democratic Party coalition) [did not seek re-election due to health grounds]
2001-2006: Ronnie Kasrils (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [retired from Government to continue career within the Communist Party]
 
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neonduke

Inspector Paolo Germi
Presidents of Post-Apartheid South Africa

1994-1996: Nelson Mandela (ANC) † [Assassinated]
1996: Thabo Mbeki (ANC) [Interim]
1996-2001: Joe Modise (ANC-Democratic Party coalition) [did not seek re-election due to health grounds]
2001-2006: Ronnie Kasrils (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [retired from Government to continue career within the Communist Party]
2006 - 2011: Mosiuoa Lekota (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [assassinated alongside 34 others during the May Day bombings]
 
Sea Lion presents, The Curse Of DeKlerk
I almost had de Klerk as the interim president over Mbeki, he would have been caught in the fray as well.

Presidents of Post-Apartheid South Africa

1994-1996: Nelson Mandela (ANC) † [Assassinated]
1996: Thabo Mbeki (ANC) [Interim]
1996-2001: Joe Modise (ANC-Democratic Party coalition) [did not seek re-election due to health grounds]
2001-2006: Ronnie Kasrils (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [retired from Government to continue career within the Communist Party]
2006-2011: Mosiuoa Lekota † (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [assassinated alongside 34 others during the May Day bombings]
2011: Phumzile Mlambi-Ngcuka (ANC) [Interim]
 
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Marius

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Presidents of Post-Apartheid South Africa

1994-1996: Nelson Mandela (ANC) † [Assassinated]
1996: Thabo Mbeki (ANC) [Interim]
1996-????:
Presidents of Post-Apartheid South Africa

1994-1996: Nelson Mandela (ANC) † [Assassinated]
1996: Thabo Mbeki (ANC) [Interim]
1996-2001: Joe Modise (ANC-Democratic Party coalition) [did not seek re-election due to health grounds]
Why would Mbeki only be interim? He was ANC and SA deputy president, if something happened to Mandela he would have become President in his own right.
 
Why would Mbeki only be interim? He was ANC and SA deputy president, if something happened to Mandela he would have become President in his own right.
You’re probably right. Since SA’s president is elected by parliament, it’s possible they could refuse to confirm Mbeki but that’s unlikely. I included Mbeki in the first post just to get him out of the way and leave the next person to put someone more interesting, but it seems to have caused the 5-year election cycle to reset in ‘96.

I can’t find any mechanism for snap elections in SA either, but in a hand-wavy way to keep the current list this hopefully makes sense:

Presidents of Post-Apartheid South Africa

1994-1996: Nelson Mandela (ANC) † [Assassinated]
1996: Thabo Mbeki (ANC) [called for new elections in wake of Mandela’s death]
1996-2001: Joe Modise (ANC-Democratic Party coalition) [did not seek re-election due to health grounds]
2001-2006: Ronnie Kasrils (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [retired from Government to continue career within the Communist Party]
2006-2011: Mosiuoa Lekota † (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [assassinated alongside 34 others during the May Day bombings]
2011: Phumzile Mlambi-Ngcuka (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [was confirmed as president immediately prior to 2011 elections]
2011-20??:
 

Marius

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You’re probably right. Since SA’s president is elected by parliament, it’s possible they could refuse to confirm Mbeki but that’s unlikely. I included Mbeki in the first post just to get him out of the way and leave the next person to put someone more interesting, but it seems to have caused the 5-year election cycle to reset in ‘96.

I can’t find any mechanism for snap elections in SA either, but in a hand-wavy way to keep the current list this hopefully makes sense:

Presidents of Post-Apartheid South Africa

1994-1996: Nelson Mandela (ANC) † [Assassinated]
1996: Thabo Mbeki (ANC) [called for new elections in wake of Mandela’s death]
1996-2001: Joe Modise (ANC-Democratic Party coalition) [did not seek re-election due to health grounds]
2001-2006: Ronnie Kasrils (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [retired from Government to continue career within the Communist Party]
2006-2011: Mosiuoa Lekota † (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [assassinated alongside 34 others during the May Day bombings]
2011: Phumzile Mlambi-Ngcuka (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [was confirmed as president immediately prior to 2011 elections]
2011-20??:
I'll have to check but I think the President has the discretion to call snap elections.

Have Mandela and Mbeki both killed, then let De Klerk be interim President.

Also, don't think Kasrils would be President, the ANC claims to be non-racial but I don't see them supporting a white person for President.
 

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Presidents of Post-Apartheid South Africa

1994-1996: Nelson Mandela (ANC) † [Assassinated]
1996: Thabo Mbeki (ANC) [called for new elections in wake of Mandela’s death]
1996-2001: Joe Modise (ANC-Democratic Party coalition) [did not seek re-election due to health grounds]
2001-2006: Ronnie Kasrils (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [retired from Government to continue career within the Communist Party]
2006-2011: Mosiuoa Lekota † (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [assassinated alongside 34 others during the May Day bombings]
2011: Phumzile Mlambi-Ngcuka (ANC-South African Communist Party coalition) [was confirmed as president immediately prior to 2011 elections]
2011-2021: Mmusi Maimane (Democratic Party) [commonly believed to have broken "the curse" because of a split in the ANC after its first lost election]
 

neonduke

Inspector Paolo Germi
Presidents of the United States of America

1921 - 1925: Warren G. Harding/Calvin Coolidge[1]

[1] Americans can deal with honest idiots or corrupt genius but in Harding's case they wouldn't stand for a corrupt fool. Myriad scandals were already undermining him but a health scare was the final nail in the coffin and he announced he would not seek re-election.
 

Charles EP M.

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Presidents of the United States of America

1921 - 1925: Warren G. Harding/Calvin Coolidge[1]

1925 - 1933: William Gibbs McAdoo/Charles W. Bryan[/2]

[1] Americans can deal with honest idiots or corrupt genius but in Harding's case they wouldn't stand for a corrupt fool. Myriad scandals were already undermining him but a health scare was the final nail in the coffin and he announced he would not seek re-election.

[2] Coolidge suffered enough from Harding that McAdoo could get through despite a graveyard's worth of skeletons in his closet, but the first half of his term suffered the aftermath, religious clashes and a heavily emboldened Klan in the south. The second half faced the Great Depression. McAdoo's aid package, the Square Deal, staunched the bleeding unless you were catholics in an area where the local Deal official felt emboldened or black in the South, leading to severe damage for McAdoo's party (and various buildings in several riots)
 

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Presidents of the United States of America

1921 - 1925: Warren G. Harding/Calvin Coolidge[1]

1925 - 1933: William Gibbs McAdoo/Charles W. Bryan[2]

1933 - 1935: Fiorello H. La Guardia / George W. Norris[3]

[1] Americans can deal with honest idiots or corrupt genius but in Harding's case they wouldn't stand for a corrupt fool. Myriad scandals were already undermining him but a health scare was the final nail in the coffin and he announced he would not seek re-election.

[2] Coolidge suffered enough from Harding that McAdoo could get through despite a graveyard's worth of skeletons in his closet, but the first half of his term suffered the aftermath, religious clashes and a heavily emboldened Klan in the south. The second half faced the Great Depression. McAdoo's aid package, the Square Deal, staunched the bleeding unless you were catholics in an area where the local Deal official felt emboldened or black in the South, leading to severe damage for McAdoo's party (and various buildings in several riots)

[3] It was not so much the performance of the economy, or the nature of the Square Deal, that led to the Democrats defeat in 1932. It was more related to the divisiveness with which the Square Deal distributed itself. In these circumstances it perhaps should not have been surprising that the Republicans would be captured by an insurgent progressive ticket, that gave America the 'New Deal' the tone of which was set even before 1932, when LaGuardia and Norris coordinated from Congress to shepherd pro-labor legislation. But then tragedy struck. The rejuvenated Klan would not take the election of a Papist sitting down...
 

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Presidents of the United States of America

1921 - 1925: Warren G. Harding/Calvin Coolidge[1]

1925 - 1933: William Gibbs McAdoo/Charles W. Bryan[2]

1933 - 1935: Fiorello H. La Guardia / George W. Norris[3]

1935-6: George W. Norris [4]

[1] Americans can deal with honest idiots or corrupt genius but in Harding's case they wouldn't stand for a corrupt fool. Myriad scandals were already undermining him but a health scare was the final nail in the coffin and he announced he would not seek re-election.

[2] Coolidge suffered enough from Harding that McAdoo could get through despite a graveyard's worth of skeletons in his closet, but the first half of his term suffered the aftermath, religious clashes and a heavily emboldened Klan in the south. The second half faced the Great Depression. McAdoo's aid package, the Square Deal, staunched the bleeding unless you were catholics in an area where the local Deal official felt emboldened or black in the South, leading to severe damage for McAdoo's party (and various buildings in several riots)

[3] It was not so much the performance of the economy, or the nature of the Square Deal, that led to the Democrats defeat in 1932. It was more related to the divisiveness with which the Square Deal distributed itself. In these circumstances it perhaps should not have been surprising that the Republicans would be captured by an insurgent progressive ticket, that gave America the 'New Deal' the tone of which was set even before 1932, when LaGuardia and Norris coordinated from Congress to shepherd pro-labor legislation. But then tragedy struck. The rejuvenated Klan would not take the election of a Papist sitting down...

[4] Losing one Republican president to a failed actor at a theatre was a mistake. To lose two? It wasn't even as if Fiorello La Guardia was a great supporter of African-Americans. The New Deal was more evenly applied across the South than the Square Deal had been, of course, but that did not a enfranchisement program make. However, it was actually due to the repeated insults in the foreign and liberal press about the new government's disinterest in civil rights that prompted the idea of a big, showy gesture. The President would go to the premiere of the new Gershwin show on Broadway!

Alas, the young, vicious and out of work chorus boy Marion Morrison also bought a ticket- and a knife.

'Porgy and Bess' was not performed in New York again until 1975.

George Norris, for his part, used the murder as a chance to expand the New Deal across the country. 'All of us at the table, or none of us,' as he said. The final year of what Norris insisted on calling the 'La Guardia' presidency put in place the Federal Anti Lynching Law- but by November 1936, it was clear that this election would be fought about the very basis of future American society.