The time: 1210s England, during the reign of John the Lackland, Richard the Lionheart’s unpopular brother.
The characters:
The background: lots of foreigns and semi-foreign wars have eroded the power and legitimacy of the Angevine rulers of England, leading to the First Barons’ War, in which Robert FitzWalter and England’s landowner class rose against King John. You may remember this as the setup for the whole Carta Magna dealio. It was kind of a big deal. Anyhow, Scotland and France were on the Barons’ side, who took the extra-step of inviting Dauphin Louis the Lion, future Louis VIII of France, to take the English throne. Now, despite similarities with 1066 and 1688, Louis didn’t have the support of his father(or the Pope), which admittedly didn’t stop him from marching on London, being proclaimed (but not crowned) King and seizing half the country.
So far so good, until the part in which King John died of dysentery (a fitting ending, admittedly) and suddenly everyone felt like an asshole trying to take the throne from his kid, who would eventually have his own foreign policy disasters, unpopular domestic policies and Baronial insurrection to deal with.
The Divergence: let’s imagine King John doesn’t die, so instead he lives to either be deposed or die in battle. His son can be lost and become an urban legend/source of fake usurping frauds or end up in a tower/exile, or whatever.
Point is, for the second time in 150 years, a Frenchman came at the head of an army to take the throne, except this one had both an invitation and a throne of his own. What now? Will the Pope and King Phil suddenly have to accept a Fait Accomplii? What happens with the Carta Magna and Baronial rights? What about the French Throne?
An interesting possibility could be Louis the Lion and later Louis the Saint as Kings of England wanting to reclaim their French titles, much like actual English kings did IOTL, but would Philip Augustus have disinherited his son rather than accept such a feat?
The characters:
- King John Lackland Plantagenet; a fuck-up
- His son, Henry III, another fuckup
- King Louis “The Lion” Capet, a French usurper/rightful king
- His son, the future Louis IX, “The Saint”
- Robert FitzWalter, rebel leader
- Pope Innocent III, not a fan of any of this.
- King Philip Augustus of France, also not a fan.
The background: lots of foreigns and semi-foreign wars have eroded the power and legitimacy of the Angevine rulers of England, leading to the First Barons’ War, in which Robert FitzWalter and England’s landowner class rose against King John. You may remember this as the setup for the whole Carta Magna dealio. It was kind of a big deal. Anyhow, Scotland and France were on the Barons’ side, who took the extra-step of inviting Dauphin Louis the Lion, future Louis VIII of France, to take the English throne. Now, despite similarities with 1066 and 1688, Louis didn’t have the support of his father(or the Pope), which admittedly didn’t stop him from marching on London, being proclaimed (but not crowned) King and seizing half the country.
So far so good, until the part in which King John died of dysentery (a fitting ending, admittedly) and suddenly everyone felt like an asshole trying to take the throne from his kid, who would eventually have his own foreign policy disasters, unpopular domestic policies and Baronial insurrection to deal with.
The Divergence: let’s imagine King John doesn’t die, so instead he lives to either be deposed or die in battle. His son can be lost and become an urban legend/source of fake usurping frauds or end up in a tower/exile, or whatever.
Point is, for the second time in 150 years, a Frenchman came at the head of an army to take the throne, except this one had both an invitation and a throne of his own. What now? Will the Pope and King Phil suddenly have to accept a Fait Accomplii? What happens with the Carta Magna and Baronial rights? What about the French Throne?
An interesting possibility could be Louis the Lion and later Louis the Saint as Kings of England wanting to reclaim their French titles, much like actual English kings did IOTL, but would Philip Augustus have disinherited his son rather than accept such a feat?