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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

The younger President Bush is one the public would rather not discuss unless it’s as part of an analysis of his father’s legacy or Al Gore’s political career. More attention has been paid to the scandals that broke out and the revelations they gave about America. Viewers assured themselves that the cutthroat capitalism of films like Wall Street was a work of fiction, but to an extent not seen since the Great Depression, that corporate greed had visible consequences.

Right as the Enron affair seemed to be past its media shelf life, the state of Texas faced unprecedented blackouts after the winter storm of March 3rd, 2002. Cameras fixated on Texans huddling in their houses, without sufficient heating and blankets to make it through the cold. Immediately, Texas’ deregulated energy market came under attack. Governor Perry’s comments about how his state was willing to suffer several more blackouts to protect its unique system were condemned across the board, leading to his humiliating loss in the 2002 election.

Ironically, the winning ticket in 2004 was composed of two individuals who lost to the president, but in light of then-governor Bush’s role in deregulating ERCOT, many had second thoughts about Dubya's place in history. Previously rejected ideas were brought back into the political discourse, allowing Gore to orient his campaign towards his environmentalist pet projects.

The election of Rick Santorum now seeks a merger of Gore’s conscious capitalism with the culture warrior rhetoric of the GOP. As has been typical for presidential elections as of late, much time has been spent on discussion policy relating to small details of American life. Despite the tech industry being crippled by the dot-com recession of 2001, Santorum latched himself towards fears concerning the internet. While attacked as a Luddite by prominent liberals, Democrats were as clueless to the feelings of American voters as they were in their long period of opposition in the 1980s.

Al Gore might have materialized many of his Atari Democrat dreams, but he could not have predicted the anxiety America felt at the thought of their lives being commodified into a series of binary 1s and 0s. Technology made apparent the contradictions of Ronald Reagan’s fusion of American Christianity and supply-side economics. When the free market comes into competition with family and faith, it has no regard for the sanctity of those institutions, or the people that make them what they are. The Republicans seem to be convinced that a free market should stop with the godless money catchers of Silicon Valley. Their voters will soon find out that the dark forces of technology are not the only ones interested in commodifying the individual.

2001 - 2005: George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican)
2000 def. Al Gore / Joe Lieberman (Democratic), Ralph Nader / Winona LaDuke (Green)
2005 - 2006: Al Gore / Ann Richards (Democratic)
2004 def. George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican)
2006 - 2006: Al Gore / Vacant (Democratic)
2006 - 2013: Al Gore / Tom Harkin (Democratic)
2008 def. John McCain / Matt Blunt (Republican)
2013 - 0000: Rick Santorum / Joseph Cao (Republican)
2012 def. Brad Carson / Russ Feingold (Democratic)
 
Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
1917-1921: Vladimir Lenin (Bolshevik)*
1921-1927: Felix Dzerzhinsky (Bolshevik)
1927-1930: Yemelyan Yaroslavsky (Rabkrin)
1930-1937: Sergo Ordzhonikidze (Rabkrin)
1937-19??: Nikolai Uglanov (Bolshevik)

Narkom of the Russian Workers Committees
1922-19??: Alexander Antonov (Union of Working Peasants)

Supreme Ruler of All Russia
1920-1921: Alexander Kolchak (caretaker military junta)
1921-19??: Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich (House Romanov)

Supreme Military Commander of All Russia
1921-1938: Vladimir Purishkevich (Black Hundred)
1938-19??: Andrey Vlasov (Black Hundred)

Fathers of Makhnovia
1920-1925: Bat'ko Makhno (Anarchist)
1925-1934: Viktor Belash (Anarchist)
1934-19??: Peter Gavrilenko (Anarchist)
 
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This is fun! A never-ending Russian Civil War is the sort of thing that doesn't come up very often. Like the heads of state for the Free Territory who aren't heads of state at all honest guv.

Just one quibble:

1941-19??: Andrey Vlasov (Black Hundred)

Vlasov OTL started out in the Red Army, so even if he were to get captured and switch sides like in OTL I doubt they'd let him take charge--too suspicious. Maybe use one of the other White die-hards that joined the ROA OTL, like Boris Shtefion or Mikhail Skorodumov?
 
I don’t want to be mean, but maybe you should make a test thread for these sorts of small, quick lists.
The lists were fine, dude. I actually like the format, it's like 'pick your poison'. I'm working on one of my own right now.
Makhnovia?
Yeah man, the anarchist Free Territory of Makhnovia.
This is fun! A never-ending Russian Civil War is the sort of thing that doesn't come up very often. Like the heads of state for the Free Territory who aren't heads of state at all honest guv.

Just one quibble:



Vlasov OTL started out in the Red Army, so even if he were to get captured and switch sides like in OTL I doubt they'd let him take charge--too suspicious. Maybe use one of the other White die-hards that joined the ROA OTL, like Boris Shtefion or Mikhail Skorodumov?
IMO as he had fascist leanings he'd probably detract to a side that was as hardcore antisemitic as the New Tsar
 
Just to clarify, @Blackentheborg - was this list inspired by anything?

Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
1917-1921: Vladimir Lenin (Bolshevik)*
1921-1927: Felix Dzerzhinsky (Bolshevik)
1927-1930: Yemelyan Yaroslavsky (Rabkrin)
1930-1937: Sergo Ordzhonikidze (Rabkrin)
1937-19??: Nikolai Uglanov (Bolshevik)

👀

How did Rabkrin get so powerful?

Yemelyan Yaroslavsky is a hip pick, wonder what the state of the Orthodox Church and Islam in the RSFSR is like
if Turkestan isn't independent of course

Fathers of Makhnovia
1920-1925: Bat'ko Makhno (Anarchist)
1925-1934: Viktor Belash (Anarchist)
1934-19??: Peter Gavrilenko (Anarchist)

Narkom of the Russian Workers Committees
1922-19??: Alexander Antonov (Union of Working Peasants)

What territories do the Green and Black Armies control at this point?
 
DYNAMICS OF A POLITICAL ASTEROID

This is brilliant but I don't see how much further you can take i--

In the feverish atmosphere, it was understandable that a shipwreck near Whitby would not attract the attention of the government. But when it became clear who had been travelling on the Demeter, things really got bad....

OH YEAHHHH!!!!
 
Socialism or Barbarism?!

Prime Ministers of Great Britain:
1929-1931: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1929 (Minority) def: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), David Lloyd-George (Liberal)
1931-1934: Ramsay MacDonald (National Labour leading National Goverment)
1931 (National Government) def: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), Herbert Samuel (Liberal), Arthur Henderson (Labour), Oswald Mosley-David Lloyd George (Action)
1934-1936: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative leading National Government)
1936: Edward Wood, Lord Halifax (Conservative
leading National Government)

1936-1941: David Lloyd-George (Action leading "People's" Government)
1936 (Coalition with Conservative) def: Harold Laski (Labour), Neville Chamberlain replacing Edward Wood (Conservative), Herbert Samuel (Liberal)
1941-1944: Harold Laski (Labour)
1941 (Majority) def: David Lloyd George (Action), Winston Churchill (Constitutionalists), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal), Richard Acland-Harry Pollitt (Popular Front)
1941 Emergency Government Referendum: Yes 70%, No 30%

1944-1950: Stafford Cripps (Labour)
1945 Continuation of Emergency Government Referendum: Yes 74%, No 26%
1949 Continuation of Emergency Government Referendum: Yes 54%, No 46%

1950-: Nye Bevan (Labour)
1950 (Majority) def: Harold Macmillan (Action), Winston Churchill (Constitutionalists), Megan Lloyd George-John Loverseed (Radicals), Bill Alexander (Popular Front)

President of the U.S.A.
1923-1929: Calvin Coolidge (Republican)

1924 (With Charles G. Dawes) def: John W. Davis (Democratic), Robert La Follette (Progressive)
1929-1937: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1928 (With Charles Curtis) def: Al Smith (Democratic), Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive-Labor)
1932 (With Charles Curtis) def: Al Smith (Democratic), Upton Sinclair (American Labor), William H. Murray ('Real' Democrats)

1937-1949: Rexford Tugwell (Democratic-Labor then CommonWealth)
1936 (With Floyd B. Olson) def: William Borah (Republican), Robert A. Taft (Conservative)
1940
(With Elmer Austin Benson) def: Wendall Wilkie (Republican), Hamilton Fish III (Conservative), William H. Murray (America First)
1944
(With Elmer Austin Benson) def: Bronson M. Cutting (Liberal), Charles Lindbergh (Conservative-America First), Pappy O'Daniel (The Regulars)
1945-: Claude Pepper (CommonWealth)
1948 (With Glen H. Taylor) def: Thomas E. Dewey (Liberal), Douglas MacArthur (Anti-Communist), Hugh De Lacy (Libertarian)

Chancellors of Germany:
1932-1934: Kurt von Schleicher (Non Partisan)

1932 ('Querfront') def: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP), Otto Wels-Arthur Crispien-Hans Vogel (SDP), Ernst Thälmann (KDP), Ludwig Kaas (Centre), Alfred Hugenberg (DNVP), Henrich Held (BVP), Gregor Strasser (Schwarze Front)
1934: Franz Seldte (Stahlhelm)
1934-1940: Gregor Strasser ('Querfront')
1940-1947: Otto Strasser ('Querfront')

1947-: Ernst Niekisch (Schwarze Front)

1947 (Majority) def: Fritz Dorls (Reichsfront), Willy Leow (Die Rote Front)

General Secretary of the Soviet Union:
1922-1945: Joseph Stalin (CPSU)
1945-1951: Andrei Zhdanov (CPSU)
1951-: Nikolai Voznesensky (CPSU)


"I hear people tell me that this battle of ideologues we're having is pointless, that at the end of the day both sides claim they believe in the ideals of Socialism. But if that was true, I would like you to ask what happening to the Jews in Birobidzhan and the Model Bolshevik Program that is happening there and Comrade Niekisch is helping in this program of cultural eradication. This is not a battle between different forms of Socialism this is a battle between Socialism and Barbarism"
-Nye Bevan, 1952

"The Social Fascists of the British Labour Party's accusation of extermination and cultural eradication shows the true face of these so called Socialists, that they believe in no more than the utter and true annihilation of our glorious Socialist Utopia. All followers of Marxist-Leninist ideals must work with Comrade Voznesensky in demanding that those who attack the one true home of Socialism to be dealt with accordingly"
-Radio Moscow, 1952

"Probably nowhere in the world are minorities given more freedom, recognition and respect than in the Soviet Union, nowhere in the world is there so little friction, between minority and majority groups, or among minorities."
-Hugh De Lacy, 1952

"The Forces of Fascism, Technocracy and Reaction will soon crumble under our steel and a new Socialist Empire will be built in there wake"
-Ernst Niekisch, 1952
 
In many ways, this is a list that both excites me (Democratic Socialist/Social Democratic Anglosphere) and disturbs me (National Bolshevik Germany and a Soviet Union that's very much in favour of making it's citizen's 'Pure Soviet'). Fascinating setting though have to say, even with it's disturbing nature.
 
Voznesensky post Zhdanov is interesting because his Leningrad group included Kosygin and were more technocratic oriented, and them trying to make the USSR work while under the Stalinist cult of personality is gonna be weird.
Something I find amusing, given Zhdanov’s perceived dislike towards technocrats but given how most of his seeming successors were all technocrats in there own way, maybe it was a dislike of technocrats he couldn’t control.

In this scenario, the work that Zhdanov has done in ‘culturally purifying’ the Soviet Union has essentially meant that the Cult of Personality is here to stay in some form. So a member of the Politburo is chosen to become the face of the Soviet Union supported by allies and in this case it’s Voznesensky.
 
Something I find amusing, given Zhdanov’s perceived dislike towards technocrats but given how most of his seeming successors were all technocrats in there own way, maybe it was a dislike of technocrats he couldn’t control.

In this scenario, the work that Zhdanov has done in ‘culturally purifying’ the Soviet Union has essentially meant that the Cult of Personality is here to stay in some form. So a member of the Politburo is chosen to become the face of the Soviet Union supported by allies and in this case it’s Voznesensky.

"Successors you couldn't control" is a fitting and repeating theme for the soviet union, isn't it.
 
"Successors you couldn't control" is a fitting and repeating theme for the soviet union, isn't it.
Well it was more, Zhdanov’s beliefs seem to have been based upon disliking the New Scientists and Engineers who were taking over the Soviet Union and there should be a purge of there power. However his main power base seemed to be made of those very same people which is amusing.
 
I've decided @Comrade Izaac's list makes for a good template

2021-2025: Joe Biden/Kamala Harris
defeated Donald Trump/Mike Pence
2025-2029: Will Hurd/Brian Sandoval
defeated Joe Biden/Kamala Harris, Marjorie Taylor Greene/Madison Cawthorne (#WW1WGA)
2029-2037: Chokwe Antar Lumumba/Lee Carter
defeated Will Hurd/Brian Sandoval
defeated Dan Crenshaw/Nikki Haley
2037-2041: Erin Stewart/Daniel Zolnikov
defeated Lee Carter/Jared Polis
2041-204?: Liliana Bakhtiari/Amara Enyia
defeated Erin Stewart/Daniel Zolnikov

2021-2025: Joe Biden/Kamala Harris
defeated Donald Trump/Mike Pence
2025-2033: Kamala Harris/Stacey Abrams
defeated Nikki Haley/Ron DeSantis
defeated Matt Gaetz/Lance Gooden, Varshini Prakash/Michelle Mbekeani (Movement for a Peoples Party)
2033-2037: Daniel Cameron/Jaime Herrera-Beutler
defeated Stacey Abrams/Dow Constantine
defeated London Breed/Jon Ossoff
2041-204?: Andrew Yang/Lauren Underwood
defeated Jaime Herrera-Beutler/Mike Gallagher
defeated Joel Patrick/Dusty Johnson

2021-2022: Joe Biden*/Kamala Harris
defeated Donald Trump/Mike Pence
2022-2025: Kamala Harris/Pete Buttigieg
(replacing Biden)
2025-2033: Josh Hawley/Matthew Gaetz
defeated Kamala Harris/Pete Buttigieg, Brace Belden/Matt Christman (The Bit)
defeated Joe Kennedy/Nicole Galloway
2033-2041: Tulsi Gabbard/Richard Ojeda
defeated Matthew Gaetz/Paul Gosar
defeated Vickie Sawyer/Tom Cotton
2041-20??: CJ Pearson/Ariana Rowlands
defeated Richard Ojeda/Josh Gottheimer
 
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Amara Enyia

enyia is a critically underused figure in modern political lists.

also i understand carter's realistic need to pick a moderate to balance the ticket (you can get away with progressive/socialist, you can't get away with socialist/progressive or awhile) but do you really think he would pick the white, vocally anti-socialist Polis as opposed to someone a little more cooperative? i don't know if Polis's sexuality would be enough to galvanize many voters at that point in american history, granted idk your full vision.
 
enyia is a critically underused figure in modern political lists.

also i understand carter's realistic need to pick a moderate to balance the ticket (you can get away with progressive/socialist, you can't get away with socialist/progressive or awhile) but do you really think he would pick the white, vocally anti-socialist Polis as opposed to someone a little more cooperative? i don't know if Polis's sexuality would be enough to galvanize many voters at that point in american history, granted idk your full vision.
I mean, Obama picked Biden.
 
I've decided @Comrade Izaac's list makes for a good template

2021-2025: Joe Biden/Kamala Harris
defeated Donald Trump/Mike Pence
2025-2029: Will Hurd/Brian Sandoval
defeated Joe Biden/Kamala Harris, Marjorie Taylor Greene/Madison Cawthorne (#WW1WGA)
2029-2037: Chokwe Antar Lumumba/Lee Carter
defeated Will Hurd/Brian Sandoval
defeated Dan Crenshaw/Nikki Haley
2037-2041: Erin Stewart/Daniel Zolnikov
defeated Lee Carter/Jared Polis
2041-204?: Liliana Bakhtiari/Amara Enyia
defeated Erin Stewart/Daniel Zolnikov

2021-2025: Joe Biden/Kamala Harris
defeated Donald Trump/Mike Pence
2025-2033: Kamala Harris/Stacey Abrahams
defeated Nikki Haley/Ron DeSantis
defeated Matt Gaetz/Lance Gooden, Varshini Prakash/Michelle Mbekeani (Movement for a Peoples Party)
2033-2037: Daniel Cameron/Jaime Herrera-Beutler
defeated Stacey Abrahams/Dow Constantine
defeated London Breed/Jon Ossoff
2041-204?: Andrew Yang/Lauren Underwood
defeated Jaime Herrera-Beutler/Mike Gallagher
defeated Joel Patrick/Dusty Johnson

2021-2022: Joe Biden*/Kamala Harris
defeated Donald Trump/Mike Pence
2022-2025: Kamala Harris/Pete Buttigieg
(replacing Biden)
2025-2033: Josh Hawley/Matthew Gaetz
defeated Kamala Harris/Pete Buttigieg, Brace Belden/Matt Christman (The Bit)
defeated Joe Kennedy/Nicole Galloway
2033-2041: Tulsi Gabbard/Richard Ojeda
defeated Matthew Gaetz/Paul Gosar
defeated Vickie Sawyer/Tom Cotton
2041-20??: CJ Pearson/Ariana Rowlands
defeated Richard Ojeda/Josh Gottheimer
Just so you know, it's Abrams.

Interesting lists regardless
 
Absolutely superb list ,great job!

This is brilliant but I don't see how much further you can take i--

Thanks.

It started from a thought about how weird the end of the Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes must have been in-universe, and then once you begin writing in that tone it makes sense to lean into the general end of the century pulp weirdness, and then you've got Fu Manchu overthrowing the Qing and it's really difficult to work out how to get off the roller coaster.

And that's when I looked at the year I had got to in the narrative and remembered what else was published that year, and the Kim Newman-ness of it was too good to resist.
 
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