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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

Don Giovanni

Giovanni Giolitti, Liberal Union, 1911-1916

Vittorio Emanuele Orlando, Liberal Union, 1916-1919

Ettore Sacchi, Radical Party (in coalition with the Liberal Union and the Italian Peoples Party),1919-1920

Luigi Sturzo, Italian Peoples Party (minority), 1920

Giovanni Giolitti, Liberal Union (in coalition with the Radical Party), 1920-1921

Giovanni Bacci, Socialist Party, 1921-1924

Giacomo Matteotti, Socialist Party, 1924

Antonio Salandra, National Alliance, 1924

Luigi Facta, Radical Party (in coalition with the Liberal Union), 1924-1928

Ivanoe Bonomi, Italian Socialist Party, 1928-1934
 
Don Giovanni

Giovanni Giolitti, Liberal Union, 1911-1916

Vittorio Emanuele Orlando, Liberal Union, 1916-1919

Ettore Sacchi, Radical Party (in coalition with the Liberal Union and the Italian Peoples Party),1919-1920

Luigi Sturzo, Italian Peoples Party (minority), 1920

Giovanni Giolitti, Liberal Union (in coalition with the Radical Party), 1920-1921

Giovanni Bacci, Socialist Party, 1921-1924

Giacomo Matteotti, Socialist Party, 1924

Antonio Salandra, National Alliance, 1924

Luigi Facta, Radical Party (in coalition with the Liberal Union), 1924-1928

Ivanoe Bonomi, Italian Socialist Party, 1928-1934
Big Averescu vibes coming from Sturzo

I like this,thank you for making it.
 
Don Giovanni

Giovanni Giolitti, Liberal Union, 1911-1916

Vittorio Emanuele Orlando, Liberal Union, 1916-1919

Ettore Sacchi, Radical Party (in coalition with the Liberal Union and the Italian Peoples Party),1919-1920

Luigi Sturzo, Italian Peoples Party (minority), 1920

Giovanni Giolitti, Liberal Union (in coalition with the Radical Party), 1920-1921

Giovanni Bacci, Socialist Party, 1921-1924

Giacomo Matteotti, Socialist Party, 1924

Antonio Salandra, National Alliance, 1924

Luigi Facta, Radical Party (in coalition with the Liberal Union), 1924-1928

Ivanoe Bonomi, Italian Socialist Party, 1928-1934
I will give this a proper write up at some point but the basic gist is that Giolitti survives the 1913 election, Italy remains neutral in WWI and Italy remains a loosely functioning democracy

Feel free to critique
 
Have we ever done one of these?

List of First Lesser Ones of the One'd King's Domain of the Great Land of the Tattooed Folk and Northern Land of Ériu
1945-1951: Merciful Meadowby (Workers' Faction)
1951-1955: Wine Town Church Hill (Maintain the Watch)
1955-1957: Praiseworthy Delight (Maintain the Watch)
1957-1963: General Baldy's Son (Maintain the Watch)
1963-1964: Defender Darkriverhome (Maintain the Watch)
1964-1970: General Desire's Son (Workers' Faction)
1970-1974: Wealthguard Shrubland (Maintain the Watch)
1974-1976: General Desire's Son (Workers' Faction)
1976-1979: Supplanter Strife (Workers' Faction)
1979-1990: Pearl Roofmaker (Maintain the Watch)
1990-1997: Godsgrace Great (Maintain the Watch)
1997-2007: Praiseworthy Field (Workers' Faction)
2007-2010: Fortress Brunet (Workers' Faction)
2010-2015: Beloved Crookednose (Maintain the Watch/Freemanly Peoplerulers coalition)
2015-2016: Beloved Crookednose (Maintain the Watch)
2016-????: Harvester Maia (Maintain the Watch)

Re-reading the thread and these are all going in my Dungeons and Dragons Campaign
 
Have we ever done one of these?

List of First Lesser Ones of the One'd King's Domain of the Great Land of the Tattooed Folk and Northern Land of Ériu
1945-1951: Merciful Meadowby (Workers' Faction)
1951-1955: Wine Town Church Hill (Maintain the Watch)
1955-1957: Praiseworthy Delight (Maintain the Watch)
1957-1963: General Baldy's Son (Maintain the Watch)
1963-1964: Defender Darkriverhome (Maintain the Watch)
1964-1970: General Desire's Son (Workers' Faction)
1970-1974: Wealthguard Shrubland (Maintain the Watch)
1974-1976: General Desire's Son (Workers' Faction)
1976-1979: Supplanter Strife (Workers' Faction)
1979-1990: Pearl Roofmaker (Maintain the Watch)
1990-1997: Godsgrace Great (Maintain the Watch)
1997-2007: Praiseworthy Field (Workers' Faction)
2007-2010: Fortress Brunet (Workers' Faction)
2010-2015: Beloved Crookednose (Maintain the Watch/Freemanly Peoplerulers coalition)
2015-2016: Beloved Crookednose (Maintain the Watch)
2016-????: Harvester Maia (Maintain the Watch)
I could have sworn you did this before.
 
I had the idea of doing a Not-quite-Memorial Timeline about Ron Paul since he stroked out the other day on air. And it occurred to me, had he not run in 1988 as the Libertarian nominee he would have been perfectly placed to pull a march on Pat Buchanan in the 1992 election stealing the White Nationalist vote from David Duke. If Ron Paul is the man who spouts off the "Culture War" speech or something like that, there's a distinct chance that say, if Gore wins in 2000 and Paul holds onto his seat in the time in between that he could get himself elected in 2004 and then I don't really want to do the list because that involves Richard Spencer as his Stephen Miller. Seems like a horrible world.
I always wanted to write a short vignette where the US becomes pretty lefty in the 60s under president Walter Reuther and as a result a right-wing counterculture arises in the mid-00s led by Ron Paul.

The vignette would have a BBC reporter reporting live from the Republican National Convention in New York City where the popular among the youth Ron Paul (Bernie Sander’s Waluigi basically) was just chosen as the Republican candidate and would feature first time voters talking about the rising inflation, the value of the dollar continuing to decline, union corruption and American purchasing power being at it’s lowest in decades.

You unfortunately can’t have American right-wing counterculture without some Neo-Confederatism and a young Candace Owens defending it against the British Broadcasting Corporation.
 
Did the British government actually surrender? I thought they went for a ceasefire that the US and Germany couldn't really do anything about? But its also been years since I read settling accounts.
 
"One has to put up with the crude English method of development, of course."





Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

1937-1940: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative)
1940-1942: Winston Churchill (Conservative) [1]
1942-1945: Stafford Cripps [2]
1945-1947: Herbert Morrison (Labour) [3]
1947-1950: Anthony Eden (Conservative) [4]
1950-1952: Stafford Cripps (Socialist Unity)
1952-????: Jennie Lee (Socialist Unity)



[1] Francis Drake had once said that those who have experienced shipwreck shudder even at a calm sea. Churchill had proven himself to be a stopped clock when it came to his denouncing of the interwar appeasement and that vindication alongside his previous War Cabinet record had made him the only real contender to replace Neville Chamberlain. Despite the initial doubts about the competence of the man responsible for the Gold Standard and Gallipoli, Churchill seemed to vindicate himself once more as he captured the public mood following the collapse of France; resigning the country to going on to the end, whatever the cost.

The problem was that the end didn't seem anymore within reach in 1942 than it did in 1940. The entry of the United States into the war had initially brought a sense of deliverance but this had shortly delivered more problems than it had solutions. The lack of American preparedness for the U-Boat threat had led to a 'Second Happy Time' which saw shipping losses soar and imports drop to their lowest level since the war. Meanwhile the Japanese swept throughout South East Asia like an unstoppable typhoon, humbling the British fleet whilst British colonies fell like dominoes. In North Africa June had started with the seemingly impregnable fortress of Tobruk falling to the Axis, it was an embarrasment Churchill had put a lot of stake in avoiding. Just like the fall of Singapore in February, his image was shaken and though he had gotten Britain through the worst it became an increasingly common opinion that another man would be needed to finish the job.

Churchill's badly handled attempt to flush out his rivals by holding a motion of confidence in his government led to his dismissal by Parliament but for all it is regarded as a disastrous misstep on his part he did reveal that his opponents hadn't quite figured out the personality needed. Many names were floated in earnest; Attlee, Beaverbrook, Bevin, Eden, but all were tangled up in the sort of political wrangling that should have occurred before the vote, had Churchill not called their bluff before they were ready. In haste it is decided that only a man of independent mind will do, and there happens to be one such figure. The British voice from the one part of the world where the Axis are being made to bleed.

[2] The decision to send a Christian Marxist to the palace to replace Churchill might have seemed to be a jarring transistion but Cripps' peculiarity was the main reason for finding himself where he was. Having been thrown out of the Labour party amidst his calls for the Comintern's Popular Front strategy to be applied to the UK, but personally hesitant to actually join the CPGB, Cripps found himself with no true political home by the time 1940 rolled around and his sympathies became an asset.

Facing off the German threat alone Britain found it necessary to try and improve the dreadful state of Anglo-Soviet relations and though Cripps initially made little headway in this regard he would become the leading architect of the Anti-Hitler alliance in the wake of Operation Barbarossa. Guarded support for the Soviet war effort amongst the British establishment was overshadowed by outright enthusiasm for the common cause amongst large sections of the working class and when Cripps returns to his Bristol constituency to announce that the Red Army will only defeat Hitler with the full participation of the British people his words are greeted by widespread acclaim. His warnings about a lack of urgency in the British war effort, unitentionally or not, are seen as a challenge to the current regime. When Churchill departs there is only one man beyond party interest whom the public will accept as his replacement.

Entering Downing Street, Cripps makes it clear that his agenda hasn't departed from his Bristol speech. There will be a Second Front as soon as possible. The Americans, previously sceptical of Cripps' political leanings are happy to see that Churchill's replacement is in favour of a landing in northern France in 1943. In the meantime Cripps, with support of the Soviets, manages to get the INC and the Raj to grudgingly accept immediate dominion status in exchange for post-war independence. It's a messy compromise but it helps to dampen the allure of Bose somewhat. This is also a hard sell to the Tory dominated Commons but the joint blows the WAllies score against the Axis in Egypt and French North Africa, overshadowed only by the Soviet victory at Stalingrad, help soften it. Cripps appears to be doing well and the focus returns to winning the war.

Luckily the weather is cooperative in allowing D-Day to be coordinated with the beginning of Operation Citadel and though the Germans abandon their Eastern Front gamble the Soviet counter-offensive prevents significant German forces from being sent to France. Normandy is a bloodbath all the same until the subsequent landings in Southern France break the deadlock in the WAllies favour. The Italians see the writing on the wall and switch sides followed by the Bulgarians, Finns and Romanians. The Germans occupy Hungary and knuckle down but by the end of 1943 it's clear the writing is on the wall.

The fighting on the actual West Wall is almost as bad as Normandy but by the time the Union Jack has been raised over the Reichstag it is hard for anyone to disagree that Cripps has taken Britain from being a spectator in the anti-fascist crusade to an active participant. Thailand switches sides as the Anglo-Indian army marches through Burma but the Japanese muddle on regardless. They are hardened by battle and wary of any potential promises made by their foe, they are resigned to fighting to the last no matter the cost. The same can also be said about the struggle for the Labour leadership that comes about in 1944.

Clement Attlee has served as a fine number two, first to Churchill and then to Cripps, but he's increasingly ill. He had only ever been meant to be a stop-gap for a more effective leader to arise and with the war nearly over an election looms. Some say that such a figure has obviously arisen in Cripps but the unions are dead against it. Bevin especially believes Cripps' Communist sympathies make him too dangerous to be welcomed back into the party, let alone lead it. Cripps is eager to try all the same, buoyed by the surprise success of an unofficial pro-Cripps candidate in the 1943 Bristol Central by-election. Germany has been defeated by the time of Labour conference but Bevin has found an ally in Herbert Morrison and the two successfully block Cripps' attempts to replace Attlee in favour of Morrison himself. Cripps is able to take a lot of Labour MPs with him however and by the time the Japanese surrender in the Spring of 1945 he has managed just about to string together a 'Win The Peace' coupon consisting of pro-Cripps Labour MPs, the Common Wealth Party, the ILP, and, of course, the CPGB. Their leader is the most popular man in Britain and they go into the 1945 election with a great deal of confidence.

[3] Cripps won the war but he can't herd cats and the disparate elements of his coalition make campaigning a nightmare, particularly when their most effective asset is too busy shaping a post-war global order to do as many public appearances as he would like. Morrison on the other hand has a credible agenda, it doesn't go as far as some might like but it's coherent programme for a better country as averse to the years of Tory failure or whatever 'Win The Peace' is supposed to be arguing for on any given day. In spite of the fears Cripps might do to Labour what Lloyd George did to the Liberals in 1918 the election ultimately delivers a slim Labour majority. The 'Win The Peace' coupon is widely seen as having underperformed although given the circumstances they likely did as well as could be expected in coming third. Freed from his commitments as PM Cripps has the freedom to hammer some order into his parliamentary grouping whilst the responsibility for Britain's role in the post-war world falls to Morrison.

Morrison was keen to become PM but the task ahead of him is daunting, only mildly better than that which faced his predecessors in 1942 or 1940. Britain is financially broken and India, finally able to flex the full extent of its dominion status, is swift with a UDI. The Soviets are suspected of being behind this and their shenanigans in Eastern Europe aren't exactly putting anyone's minds at ease. All the same the Americans aren't forthcoming with much help, they agree to bail out Britain but not without interest and a fundamental shift in the financial order of the western world in favour of themselves. The assassination of Badoglio and the subsequent red uprisings in northern Italy kickstart the Cold War and its one Morrison is happy to fight at the expense of the domestic agenda he was elected to carry out. Shoring up Britain's fading empire on the world stage isn't what the British people want however, rationing has only gotten worse since the end of Lend Lease and many are still homeless from the Blitz. These are often the first to fade into the snow during the famine of 1947.

[4] By the time the worst winter in living memory finally gives way to Spring Morrison's small majority has eroded to nothing and the Tories are able to force a general election with the support of the newly annointed Socialist Unity Party, who have finally gotten their act together. The result is the sort of split in the left-wing vote that was predicted in 1945 and although Cripps comes out of it better than Morrison, Anthony Eden is the main beneficiary albeit his majority isn't much healthier than Morrison's was.

Eden rose to prominence as a critic of appeasement and as wartime foreign minister was the obvious replacement for Churchill as Tory leader and, he though, Prime Minister. Eden brings Churchill into his cabinet but maintains that his focus will be on the dire domestic situation rather than foreign adventures. Eden has a high regard for Cripps personally but the SUP terrifies him, particularly now that they're His Majesty's Loyal Opposition. He will do anything to keep them out of power and that means maintaining a domestic focus. Britons might have a sentimentality for the empire but few can actually name any specific colonies, especially now that the Indians have stopped answering the phone. Korea might as well be a colony for all anyone would know. Of course it isn't, but Kim Il Sung thinks it is, and with Britain retreating inwards and the Americans focused on Italy and Greece he is given the green light from Stalin to unite Korea under Pyongyang.

Eden realises he can't backtrack on his electoral promises, particularly as he's starting to make headway on housebuilding and health insurance and so puts the call of the United Nations to defend South Korea to another ballot. He might not be as popular as Cripps but if he can frame the election as a choice between Communism and Democracy he's confident he can pull through.


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Special thanks to @Comisario for his help with this.
 
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Ministers for Industrial Planning

1945-1950: John Strachey (Labour)
served under Stafford Cripps (Labour)
1950-1958: Walter Monckton (Conservative)
served under Oliver Stanley (Conservative)
1958-1965: James H. Wilson (Labour)
served under Douglas Jay (Labour), T. Dan Smith (Labour)
1965-1969: Edward Martell (Liberal)

served under Victor Montagu (Conservative)
1969-1973: James H. Wilson (Labour)
served under Barbara Castle (Labour)


British Industrial Controllers

1973-1993: Stafford Beer (Labour)
served under Barbara Castle (Labour), Hugh Scanlon (Labour), Robert Gascoyne-Cecil (Centre),
Brendan Donnelly (Centre)
1993-2005: Tim Berners-Lee (Independent)
served under Brendan Donnelly (Centre), Andreas Adonis (Labour)
2005-xxxx: INTERSYN NETWORK COMES ONLINE

The history of modern, centralised industrial planning in Britain begins with the Second Great War. While attempts had been made to centrally and scientifically manage British industrial development before, they had always been done at times of great need, represented as a massive break from an ideal state of affairs. The War was different. Not only did it require a far more complete control over British production than ever before, it coincided with the rise of a political force that saw central planning as a virtue rather than a vice. As French and Soviet soldiers shook hands at the Oder, and American and Chinese troops marched side-by-side through Osaka, Britain voted not to wind the war's measures down, but to speed them up. Stafford Cripps had a mandate for radical change, and he was going to use it.

The Industrial Planning Department was key to Cripps's vision of the centrally planned economy. Strachey certainly had his hands full in the first few years of Cripps's premiership, and Cripps clearly saw the department as an important position--Bevin's diaries from the period are essentially one long complaint about being sidelined in meetings, despite Industrial Planning nominally being under the Exchequer. The precise nature of the apartment was still largely undetermined, and Bevin was correct in suspecting that Cripps was lumping all the duties of the Chancellor, and then some, into the new department. Strachey, who was in the unenviable position of being handed every nationalisation-related duty for five years, was overwhelmed by the workload. He was advised by his doctor to take a month off after British Steel was nationalised, for fear of a nervous breakdown, which is why only his deputy Tom Smith is honoured on the commemorative plaque outside their Cardiff HQ. Fortunately for John Strachey's mental health, Cripps's waxen wings tended to mount above his reach, Cripps being far more concerned with the complete revolutionisation of British society over trivial matters like opinion polls or re-election.

Monckton's defining achievement in office would be defining the possible achievements of his office. Out was the complex and wide-ranging details about national economic planning, and in was a simply defined remit--acting as the co-ordinator of the nationalised industries under government management. What this meant, of course, varied tremendously. Under Monckton, it meant advising the Exchequer on matters related to the nationalised industries and having lunch with various Board members. The next possessor of the office had other plans. Jay's assignation of him to Industrial Planning was intended to sideline an ambitious colleague he never trusted, but Wilson made the office his own. Chancellor Gordon-Walker, and Crosland after him, were fairly disinterested in industrial affairs, giving Wilson a high degree of autonomy so long as he remained quiet about it. Wilson's assumption of government control over the ICFC, turning it into a loaning bank under his department's control, was a typical move. While it appeared fairly innocuous on the outside, the loan requirements allowed Wilson to nudge even industries outside his control in his direction--technological modernisation and greater worker power. However, while he'd managed to make his position secure from the government, an economic slump and rumours of corruption meant that Wilson was out of a job due to the Opposition, instead.

In a gesture of supreme irony, the Conservatives assigned Martell a position he'd spent years campaigning against the idea of. Of course, actually abolishing the position outright was impossible--the technical experts that Jay had forced into the Lords were dead against it, and enough Conservative peers still had fond memories of Monckton that they didn't want to take down his legacy. The original intention in placing Martell there was to reward his faithful work as a party organiser with a sinecure post, with duties no more taxing than rubber-stamping the Treasury's privatisations and having a glass of wine with the Chancellor once a week. Martell didn't get this memo, and threw himself into the fray with gusto. For a man who decried his position's existence, Martell was the most publicly visible Minister for Industrial Planning ever, with his pugnacious and flamboyant style (best preserved in the editorials he wrote for the New Daily, which was printed by the Ministry to stymie a printer's strike) making him a media darling. However, all Martell's personal popularity couldn't save the government he was part of. The economy resisted all attempts at treatment, the Cypriot troubles heated up, and civil strife was growing rapidly. No-one could have predicted that the final blow would be the revelation of Montagu's...personal predilections. The vote of no confidence was swift, the coalition and the Conservative Party fell apart, and Smedley's experiment of an unsteered market economy was consigned to history's dustbin.

Martell, never one to take things lying down, spent the remaining few weeks of Conservative government doing everything bar stripping the copper wiring from the walls to thwart the next Minister for Industrial Planning. Westminster legend even claims he blocked the toilet when he left. Wilson, however, was probably more dismayed by how Martell had gutted the coffers of the ICFC by firing off hundreds of value-high, condition-low loans. Restoring the department to its former glory took several years, and by the end, Wilson was a tired man. Fortunately for both parties, Castle was more than ready to accept his resignation--indeed, the whips had several plans to slide him out of office, all of which were unnecessary. Wilson ascended to the Upper House in the New Year, and was happy enough to vote to dissolve his old ministry to make way for a new, independent body. The old Post Office Tower would become the centre of the most revolutionary experiment in British economics for decades. Castle had a mandate for radical change, and she was going to use it...
--Extract from A Potted History of the Cabinet, by Eric Clarke​
 
Might as well do one
List of Presidents of the United States 1977-present

Abraham Ribicoff (D-CT)/Milton Shapp (D-PA) 1977-1985
Rudy Boschwitz (R-MN)/Arlen Specter (R-PA) 1985-1993
Arlen Specter (R-PA)/Bill Gradison (R-OH) 1993-1997

Robert Reich (D-PA)/Joe Lieberman (D-CT) 1997-2005
Linda Lingle (R-HI)/Eric Cantor (R-VA) 2005-2013
Ron Wyden (D-OR)/Russ Feingold (D-WI) 2013-present
 
Might as well do one
List of Presidents of the United States 1977-present

Abraham Ribicoff (D-CT)/Milton Shapp (D-PA) 1977-1985
Rudy Boschwitz (R-MN)/Arlen Specter (R-PA) 1985-1993
Arlen Specter (R-PA)/Bill Gradison (R-OH) 1993-1997

Robert Reich (D-PA)/Joe Lieberman (D-CT) 1997-2005
Linda Lingle (R-HI)/Eric Cantor (R-VA) 2005-2013
Ron Wyden (D-OR)/Russ Feingold (D-WI) 2013-present
All-Jewish tickets?
 
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